I found online, the Index for land grants/patents/deeds at the Maryland Archives.? I printed all the cards that contained the land owner, libre, folio, with additional information about certificate and side notes about patentees, guarantors, etc. My question is, would I be better off requesting photocopies of these records from the Archives (I have no idea how many pages each one is) or should I attempt to glean these records through the platnet.rec? Each card also had the name of the property on it. To be honest, in an effort to save time, I've been tempted to see if I can find a book that may contain abstracts of these documents (I have a total of 18 to be examined). I cannot take off from work to head over to Annapolis, so that's out of the picture entirely. Thoughts and suggestions would be welcome. Thank you, Teresa A. Derrickson nee Chandler

A partial answer, leaving you to do a little work on your own. The deed you cite (at Do Old 6:274) refers to "City of Annapolis (which is marked through in favor of) St. Maries". St. Marys City was the capital of Maryland in 1682, where the Land Office was. The clerk for the deed had inadvertently written the new capital (in 1716), and then fixed his error. All the surviving land records are maintained in one place, still in Annapolis. Unfortunately for you, the original survey and patent for SANDWICH (which is how it's listed), while indexed in plats.net, are not on-line. You can find the reference to it by signing into plats.net for Dorchester, and on the search page, pick "Advanced" and type in Sandwich. You'll find this one on the second page, dated 1683, with two entries. To get the original record, you need to contact the Archives. For the tracing of sales after patent, you need to use the Do land records index in mdlandrec, which I assume is how you found his sale to West. Probate conveyances, of course, aren't there, and require plowing through the Prerogative Court and crossing your fingers. John Lyon "Bob Nichol" <bnichol@iname.com> wrote: >Hey, List-- > >I know that many of you are more familiar with these old deeds and >warrants than I, and I need help understanding a passage in one from >1716, in which Benjamin Nichols sells a Dorchester County tract called >Sandwick to Solomon West, to wit: > >"...Certificates of Survey thereof taken and returned into the Land >Office at the City of _____ [looks like "Orange"] St. Maries bearing the >date the Eighteenth of Aprill One thousand Six hundred Eighty Two and >there remaining...." > >--Where was/is this "City of ____ St. Maries" that had the records since >1682?  Where are they now?  Is it reasonable to believe that 1682 must be >the year that Benjamin Nichols acquired the land?

Hey, List-- I know that many of you are more familiar with these old deeds and warrants than I, and I need help understanding a passage in one from 1716, in which Benjamin Nichols sells a Dorchester County tract called Sandwick to Solomon West, to wit: "...Certificates of Survey thereof taken and returned into the Land Office at the City of _____ [looks like "Orange"] St. Maries bearing the date the Eighteenth of Aprill One thousand Six hundred Eighty Two and there remaining...." --Where was/is this "City of ____ St. Maries" that had the records since 1682? Where are they now? Is it reasonable to believe that 1682 must be the year that Benjamin Nichols acquired the land? Regards to All, Bob Nichol -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com

Another vote for findagrave, You can add a location (lat. & long.) and also request a photo of a Gravestone. Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walt and Rene" <westresort@roadrunner.com> To: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [LDR] Cemetery Plots/Records Software Program > Hi all, > > I second the recommendation for the findagrave site. I have uploaded > most of the cemetery photos to that site which were taken in Sussex > county last fall. > > Walt West > > Linda Buras wrote: > > Hi, Judy...your name is so familiar to me...what surname did we converse > > about, do you recall? > > Are you aware of www.findagrave.com? If you have time, you could upload the > > information to that site for others to enjoy. > > Take care! > > Linda Reed Buras > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JM Stell > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:05 AM > > To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [LDR] Cemetery Plots/Records Software Program > > > > I've been a church secretary for two churches for more years than I can > > count now and one has a small cemetery. When I came to the church, the only > > record for the cemetery was a hand-drawn map on 4 pieces of cardboard with > > the name of the person who bought a plot and it was anyone's guess how many > > plots where included 'cause the number of boxes on the map weren't too > > clear. Some of the 'boxes' were filled in with names, the edges were > > crumbling and the ink fading in some places. The little cemetery's not big > > enough or the folks who decided to use the land for that purpose didn't > > think of having 'sections' and the men who marked off grave sites did their > > best at trying to keep straight lines. Originally, there were supposed to be > > several 'paths' that divided the cemetery into four sections, but some of > > the 'paths' now have gravesites in them because some families bought 5 plots > > instead of 4, etc. and the guy who made the map made some major mistakes. Of > > course, the fella who ! > > took care of marking it off for new arrivals was the son of the man who > > originally drew the 1st map and he died a week after I started working there > > and the guys who took over from him were on the clueless side. Oh, a lot of > > the plots have no headstones. > > > > > > When the church started the cemetery, they gave purchasers a slip of paper > > and the church's only record was marking a name on those pieces of > > cardboard. Then a single grave site was $2. > > > > I've walked the rows more times than I can count, writing down names & dates > > on headstones and trying to identify filled spots without headstones. I > > re-drew the map and plugged everything into MS Works. For each plot I have > > name and dates and my own 'locator' - old section, 4th row from the > > sidewalk, 5th headstone from the fence, etc. I also put in original > > purchaser because a lot of the plots are descendents of the original > > purchaser and the funeral home can give me maiden name and then I can find > > it. At least the guys on the cemetery committee can find what they need > > faster and then it's up to them to measure and figure to mark off before the > > funeral home people come. > > > > In the office, it gives me a much faster way to look when I get a phone call > > from someone trying to find great grandpa's grave or when someone wants to > > sell an unused spot. At least I don't have to go outside and tromp around > > 'looking' with the old cardboard in hand! We ran something in the church > > bulletin a good while back and asked if anyone could identify unmarked > > graves and we had a couple ladies who knew where so-and-so was buried; but > > there's still a good number of unknowns. MS Works is the only database > > software the church has and it doesn't help a lot that the surnames Robinson > > and Grubbs seem to be nearly half of the surnames in the cemetery, but it's > > better than it was before! > > > > Judy Stell > > Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:14:17 -0800 (PST) > > From: Fred Howard > > <fredericklhoward@yahoo.com<mailto:fredericklhoward@yahoo.com>> > > Subject: [LDR] Cemetery Plots/Records Software Program > > To: Lower DELMARVA Roots > > <LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-L@rootsweb. > > com>> > > Message-ID: > > <853509.84771.qm@web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com<mailto:853509.84771.qm@web53903 > > .mail.re2.yahoo.com>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Would any LDR members recommend a specific cemetery records computer > > software?program? I serve on a cemetery committee and believe that it would > > greatly benefit our group to maintain our cemetery records using one of the > > current software programs. > > However, when I "google" cemetery records many sites appear. And many of > > the sites appear to be geared for super-size cemeteries. > > ? > > Your feedback would be appreciated. > > ? > > Thanks, > > Fred > > > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, I second the recommendation for the findagrave site. I have uploaded most of the cemetery photos to that site which were taken in Sussex county last fall. Walt West Linda Buras wrote: > Hi, Judy...your name is so familiar to me...what surname did we converse > about, do you recall? > Are you aware of www.findagrave.com? If you have time, you could upload the > information to that site for others to enjoy. > Take care! > Linda Reed Buras > > -----Original Message----- > From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JM Stell > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:05 AM > To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDR] Cemetery Plots/Records Software Program > > I've been a church secretary for two churches for more years than I can > count now and one has a small cemetery. When I came to the church, the only > record for the cemetery was a hand-drawn map on 4 pieces of cardboard with > the name of the person who bought a plot and it was anyone's guess how many > plots where included 'cause the number of boxes on the map weren't too > clear. Some of the 'boxes' were filled in with names, the edges were > crumbling and the ink fading in some places. The little cemetery's not big > enough or the folks who decided to use the land for that purpose didn't > think of having 'sections' and the men who marked off grave sites did their > best at trying to keep straight lines. Originally, there were supposed to be > several 'paths' that divided the cemetery into four sections, but some of > the 'paths' now have gravesites in them because some families bought 5 plots > instead of 4, etc. and the guy who made the map made some major mistakes. Of > course, the fella who ! > took care of marking it off for new arrivals was the son of the man who > originally drew the 1st map and he died a week after I started working there > and the guys who took over from him were on the clueless side. Oh, a lot of > the plots have no headstones. > > > When the church started the cemetery, they gave purchasers a slip of paper > and the church's only record was marking a name on those pieces of > cardboard. Then a single grave site was $2. > > I've walked the rows more times than I can count, writing down names & dates > on headstones and trying to identify filled spots without headstones. I > re-drew the map and plugged everything into MS Works. For each plot I have > name and dates and my own 'locator' - old section, 4th row from the > sidewalk, 5th headstone from the fence, etc. I also put in original > purchaser because a lot of the plots are descendents of the original > purchaser and the funeral home can give me maiden name and then I can find > it. At least the guys on the cemetery committee can find what they need > faster and then it's up to them to measure and figure to mark off before the > funeral home people come. > > In the office, it gives me a much faster way to look when I get a phone call > from someone trying to find great grandpa's grave or when someone wants to > sell an unused spot. At least I don't have to go outside and tromp around > 'looking' with the old cardboard in hand! We ran something in the church > bulletin a good while back and asked if anyone could identify unmarked > graves and we had a couple ladies who knew where so-and-so was buried; but > there's still a good number of unknowns. MS Works is the only database > software the church has and it doesn't help a lot that the surnames Robinson > and Grubbs seem to be nearly half of the surnames in the cemetery, but it's > better than it was before! > > Judy Stell > Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:14:17 -0800 (PST) > From: Fred Howard > <fredericklhoward@yahoo.com<mailto:fredericklhoward@yahoo.com>> > Subject: [LDR] Cemetery Plots/Records Software Program > To: Lower DELMARVA Roots > <LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-L@rootsweb. > com>> > Message-ID: > <853509.84771.qm@web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com<mailto:853509.84771.qm@web53903 > .mail.re2.yahoo.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Would any LDR members recommend a specific cemetery records computer > software?program? I serve on a cemetery committee and believe that it would > greatly benefit our group to maintain our cemetery records using one of the > current software programs. > However, when I "google" cemetery records many sites appear. And many of > the sites appear to be geared for super-size cemeteries. > ? > Your feedback would be appreciated. > ? > Thanks, > Fred > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Judy, I add my thank you to all the others on this list who appreciate your dedicated effort and hard work.What a contribution you have made to Genealogy! Barbara Conner (researching McCready, Benson, Benston, Nelson, Huckans, W healton, Lawson & T homas)   ----- Original Message ----- From: "JM Stell" <stellva@msn.com> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 2:04:41 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [LDR] Cemetery Plots/Records Software Program I've been a church secretary for two churches for more years than I can count now and one has a small cemetery. When I came to the church, the only record for the cemetery was a hand-drawn map on 4 pieces of cardboard with the name of the person who bought a plot and it was anyone's guess how many plots where included 'cause the number of boxes on the map weren't too clear. Some of the 'boxes' were filled in with names, the edges were crumbling and the ink fading in some places. The little cemetery's not big enough or the folks who decided to use the land for that purpose didn't think of having 'sections' and the men who marked off grave sites did their best at trying to keep straight lines. Originally, there were supposed to be several 'paths' that divided the cemetery into four sections, but some of the 'paths' now have gravesites in them because some families bought 5 plots instead of 4, etc. and the guy who made the map made some major mistakes. Of course, the fella who !  took care of marking it off for new arrivals was the son of the man who originally drew the 1st map and he died a week after I started working there and the guys who took over from him were on the clueless side. Oh, a lot of the plots have no headstones. When the church started the cemetery, they gave purchasers a slip of paper and the church's only record was marking a name on those pieces of cardboard. Then a single grave site was $2. I've walked the rows more times than I can count, writing down names & dates on headstones and trying to identify filled spots without headstones. I re-drew the map and plugged everything into MS Works. For each plot I have name and dates and my own 'locator' - old section, 4th row from the sidewalk, 5th headstone from the fence, etc. I also put in original purchaser because a lot of the plots are descendents of the original purchaser and the funeral home can give me maiden name and then I can find it. At least the guys on the cemetery committee can find what they need faster and then it's up to them to measure and figure to mark off before the funeral home people come. In the office, it gives me a much faster way to look when I get a phone call from someone trying to find great grandpa's grave or when someone wants to sell an unused spot. At least I don't have to go outside and tromp around 'looking' with the old cardboard in hand! We ran something in the church bulletin a good while back and asked if anyone could identify unmarked graves and we had a couple ladies who knew where so-and-so was buried; but there's still a good number of unknowns. MS Works is the only database software the church has and it doesn't help a lot that the surnames Robinson and Grubbs seem to be nearly half of the surnames in the cemetery, but it's better than it was before! Judy Stell   Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:14:17 -0800 (PST)   From: Fred Howard <fredericklhoward@yahoo.com<mailto:fredericklhoward@yahoo.com>>   Subject: [LDR] Cemetery Plots/Records Software Program   To: Lower DELMARVA Roots <LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>>   Message-ID: <853509.84771.qm@web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com<mailto:853509.84771.qm@web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>>   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1   Would any LDR members recommend a specific cemetery records computer software?program? I serve on a cemetery committee and believe that it would greatly benefit our group to maintain our cemetery records using one of the current software programs.   However, when I "google" cemetery records many sites appear. And many of the sites appear to be geared for super-size cemeteries.   ?   Your feedback would be appreciated.   ?   Thanks,   Fred *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Judy...your name is so familiar to me...what surname did we converse about, do you recall? Are you aware of www.findagrave.com? If you have time, you could upload the information to that site for others to enjoy. Take care! Linda Reed Buras -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JM Stell Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:05 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] Cemetery Plots/Records Software Program I've been a church secretary for two churches for more years than I can count now and one has a small cemetery. When I came to the church, the only record for the cemetery was a hand-drawn map on 4 pieces of cardboard with the name of the person who bought a plot and it was anyone's guess how many plots where included 'cause the number of boxes on the map weren't too clear. Some of the 'boxes' were filled in with names, the edges were crumbling and the ink fading in some places. The little cemetery's not big enough or the folks who decided to use the land for that purpose didn't think of having 'sections' and the men who marked off grave sites did their best at trying to keep straight lines. Originally, there were supposed to be several 'paths' that divided the cemetery into four sections, but some of the 'paths' now have gravesites in them because some families bought 5 plots instead of 4, etc. and the guy who made the map made some major mistakes. Of course, the fella who ! took care of marking it off for new arrivals was the son of the man who originally drew the 1st map and he died a week after I started working there and the guys who took over from him were on the clueless side. Oh, a lot of the plots have no headstones. When the church started the cemetery, they gave purchasers a slip of paper and the church's only record was marking a name on those pieces of cardboard. Then a single grave site was $2. I've walked the rows more times than I can count, writing down names & dates on headstones and trying to identify filled spots without headstones. I re-drew the map and plugged everything into MS Works. For each plot I have name and dates and my own 'locator' - old section, 4th row from the sidewalk, 5th headstone from the fence, etc. I also put in original purchaser because a lot of the plots are descendents of the original purchaser and the funeral home can give me maiden name and then I can find it. At least the guys on the cemetery committee can find what they need faster and then it's up to them to measure and figure to mark off before the funeral home people come. In the office, it gives me a much faster way to look when I get a phone call from someone trying to find great grandpa's grave or when someone wants to sell an unused spot. At least I don't have to go outside and tromp around 'looking' with the old cardboard in hand! We ran something in the church bulletin a good while back and asked if anyone could identify unmarked graves and we had a couple ladies who knew where so-and-so was buried; but there's still a good number of unknowns. MS Works is the only database software the church has and it doesn't help a lot that the surnames Robinson and Grubbs seem to be nearly half of the surnames in the cemetery, but it's better than it was before! Judy Stell Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:14:17 -0800 (PST) From: Fred Howard <fredericklhoward@yahoo.com<mailto:fredericklhoward@yahoo.com>> Subject: [LDR] Cemetery Plots/Records Software Program To: Lower DELMARVA Roots <LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-L@rootsweb. com>> Message-ID: <853509.84771.qm@web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com<mailto:853509.84771.qm@web53903 .mail.re2.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Would any LDR members recommend a specific cemetery records computer software?program? I serve on a cemetery committee and believe that it would greatly benefit our group to maintain our cemetery records using one of the current software programs. However, when I "google" cemetery records many sites appear. And many of the sites appear to be geared for super-size cemeteries. ? Your feedback would be appreciated. ? Thanks, Fred *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judy, You have done a wonderful job and should be highly commended. Regards, Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "JM Stell" <stellva@msn.com> To: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:04 AM Subject: [LDR] Cemetery Plots/Records Software Program > I've been a church secretary for two churches for more years than I can count now and one has a small cemetery. When I came to the church, the only record for the cemetery was a hand-drawn map on 4 pieces of cardboard with the name of the person who bought a plot and it was anyone's guess how many plots where included 'cause the number of boxes on the map weren't too clear. Some of the 'boxes' were filled in with names, the edges were crumbling and the ink fading in some places. The little cemetery's not big enough or the folks who decided to use the land for that purpose didn't think of having 'sections' and the men who marked off grave sites did their best at trying to keep straight lines. Originally, there were supposed to be several 'paths' that divided the cemetery into four sections, but some of the 'paths' now have gravesites in them because some families bought 5 plots instead of 4, etc. and the guy who made the map made some major mistakes. Of course, the fella who ! > took care of marking it off for new arrivals was the son of the man who originally drew the 1st map and he died a week after I started working there and the guys who took over from him were on the clueless side. Oh, a lot of the plots have no headstones. > > When the church started the cemetery, they gave purchasers a slip of paper and the church's only record was marking a name on those pieces of cardboard. Then a single grave site was $2. > > I've walked the rows more times than I can count, writing down names & dates on headstones and trying to identify filled spots without headstones. I re-drew the map and plugged everything into MS Works. For each plot I have name and dates and my own 'locator' - old section, 4th row from the sidewalk, 5th headstone from the fence, etc. I also put in original purchaser because a lot of the plots are descendents of the original purchaser and the funeral home can give me maiden name and then I can find it. At least the guys on the cemetery committee can find what they need faster and then it's up to them to measure and figure to mark off before the funeral home people come. > > In the office, it gives me a much faster way to look when I get a phone call from someone trying to find great grandpa's grave or when someone wants to sell an unused spot. At least I don't have to go outside and tromp around 'looking' with the old cardboard in hand! We ran something in the church bulletin a good while back and asked if anyone could identify unmarked graves and we had a couple ladies who knew where so-and-so was buried; but there's still a good number of unknowns. MS Works is the only database software the church has and it doesn't help a lot that the surnames Robinson and Grubbs seem to be nearly half of the surnames in the cemetery, but it's better than it was before! > > Judy Stell > Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:14:17 -0800 (PST) > From: Fred Howard <fredericklhoward@yahoo.com<mailto:fredericklhoward@yahoo.com>> > Subject: [LDR] Cemetery Plots/Records Software Program > To: Lower DELMARVA Roots <LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-L@rootsweb. com>> > Message-ID: <853509.84771.qm@web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com<mailto:853509.84771.qm@web53903 .mail.re2.yahoo.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Would any LDR members recommend a specific cemetery records computer software?program? I serve on a cemetery committee and believe that it would greatly benefit our group to maintain our cemetery records using one of the current software programs. > However, when I "google" cemetery records many sites appear. And many of the sites appear to be geared for super-size cemeteries. > ? > Your feedback would be appreciated. > ? > Thanks, > Fred > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you mean cemeteries in Caroline, I can't help. My offer related to the counties in which I have a tract map to which I could connect the cemetery sites. I have no tract map for Caroline. *** With respect to the MD Cemetery Project site and the Somerset/Wicomico/Worcester lists there, that also remains a more complicated problem than I was suggesting I could undertake. Most of the transcribed cemeteries there don't have the explicit latitude/longitude readings I was asking for, and there's not really a high correlation between them and the USGS cemetery lists (which do). If someone were to undertake creating the lat/long coordinates for all (or even most) of the transcribed sites, I can use my database to quickly tie each to an original patent. Lacking sufficiently good coordinates here, I'm not in a position to make those determinations - which I hoped someone else was able to do. Many of the little family plots, of course, contain legible stones only for parties buried in the 19th century and later. Most of the patents date from the 17th and 18th centuries. Even so, the linkages could turn out to be useful, maybe suggesting that the 19th century stones in the spot were added to earlier markers on a long-established family burying ground. Deeds, in any event, would also show if the same family with surviving markers had held the land for many years, and we'd have a significant clue as to where their ancestors were interred. I've simply thought for years that this would be an interesting avenue to test, having my data in hand. John Judy Ebner <judy_ebner@yahoo.com> wrote: >I can provide info on two cemeteries.  will get back to you.  best regards. >

I can provide info on two cemeteries.  will get back to you.  best regards. --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Johnlyon0@cs.com <Johnlyon0@cs.com> wrote: From: Johnlyon0@cs.com <Johnlyon0@cs.com> Subject: Re: [LDR] Cemetery Plots/Records Software Program To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 4:23 PM Judy Ebner <judy_ebner@yahoo.com> wrote: >would you consider Caroline County as well? Thanks Well, I would if I knew where anything was in Caroline, but I don't. John *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

NABB Cemter in Salisbury has some land records of DE and MD on microfilm. And the DE Archives has them as well. I have not been to either MD or PA Archives yet - it may take that to find something- anything on some of the lines I am working on. Jane McComrick> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:43:18 -0500> From: Johnlyon0@cs.com> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LDR] Fw: Mdlandrec.net Issue 22841> > "marjorie adams" <marjea@wildblue.net> wrote:> > >John Polk,> >I can't help YOU but THANK you for your analysis of the situation. If I> >understand it correctly the short answer would be: you have to go to the DE >or PA Archives and dig deeper than their indexes.> > ____________________> > Well, of course the underlying theme here is that all the pre-Revolutionary records of Delaware were orphaned by their original Provinces. Neither PA nor MD have any vested interest in organizing those records, and DE's primary archival concern is their own post-Statehood documentation. This has always just been a fact: priorities are what they are for the States, and funding for resolving these old matters takes a back seat to maintenance, preservation and growth of the archival history within the "proper jurisdiction" of the involved agencies. > > Sorting the original records from PA and MD into their proper venues is labor-intensive and (therefore) expensive, if carried out by State employees. So a great gap persists in what is easily known about the Lower Counties, one not likely to be addressed officially, especially facing hard budgets. "Solving" the Somerset and Worcester confusion matrix with Sussex, and capturing some of Dorchester in the process, was maybe a year's worth of work for me, largely perched in the MD Archives, with easy access to all original records - not just what's now on-line, or even on film anywhere. > > As a statistical matter, the So/Wo land records in now-Sussex were about 1/6 of all those in the two MD counties before the Revolution, which makes perfect sense given the relative areas involved (and some other peculiar details). There's some hope, too, recently, that a group of interested parties will begin soon to "finish" the MD-Sussex confusion matrix with a complete runthrough of the Dorchester grants in what became Northwest Fork. This would be an excellent resource to see completed.> > The PA-DE issues, overall, are similar in kind but different in the details. If the sorting is to be done, it will have to be by willing volunteers able to access whatever's needed among the PA resources. One should expect perhaps 1500 to 2000 (very rough guesstimate) Penn warrants and grants across the northern and eastern parts of Sussex. > > A big job, but one which - unified with the MD work on the south and the west - would completely open up the "real" microhistory of southern Delaware, enabling a full study of the entire development of the area, and who was in it. This would be a truly valuable asset for genealogists and historians. Who's going to volunteer?> > John> > ***************************************> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING?> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ:> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've been a church secretary for two churches for more years than I can count now and one has a small cemetery. When I came to the church, the only record for the cemetery was a hand-drawn map on 4 pieces of cardboard with the name of the person who bought a plot and it was anyone's guess how many plots where included 'cause the number of boxes on the map weren't too clear. Some of the 'boxes' were filled in with names, the edges were crumbling and the ink fading in some places. The little cemetery's not big enough or the folks who decided to use the land for that purpose didn't think of having 'sections' and the men who marked off grave sites did their best at trying to keep straight lines. Originally, there were supposed to be several 'paths' that divided the cemetery into four sections, but some of the 'paths' now have gravesites in them because some families bought 5 plots instead of 4, etc. and the guy who made the map made some major mistakes. Of course, the fella who took care of marking it off for new arrivals was the son of the man who originally drew the 1st map and he died a week after I started working there and the guys who took over from him were on the clueless side. Oh, a lot of the plots have no headstones. When the church started the cemetery, they gave purchasers a slip of paper and the church's only record was marking a name on those pieces of cardboard. Then a single grave site was $2. I've walked the rows more times than I can count, writing down names & dates on headstones and trying to identify filled spots without headstones. I re-drew the map and plugged everything into MS Works. For each plot I have name and dates and my own 'locator' - old section, 4th row from the sidewalk, 5th headstone from the fence, etc. I also put in original purchaser because a lot of the plots are descendents of the original purchaser and the funeral home can give me maiden name and then I can find it. At least the guys on the cemetery committee can find what they need faster and then it's up to them to measure and figure to mark off before the funeral home people come. In the office, it gives me a much faster way to look when I get a phone call from someone trying to find great grandpa's grave or when someone wants to sell an unused spot. At least I don't have to go outside and tromp around 'looking' with the old cardboard in hand! We ran something in the church bulletin a good while back and asked if anyone could identify unmarked graves and we had a couple ladies who knew where so-and-so was buried; but there's still a good number of unknowns. MS Works is the only database software the church has and it doesn't help a lot that the surnames Robinson and Grubbs seem to be nearly half of the surnames in the cemetery, but it's better than it was before! Judy Stell Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:14:17 -0800 (PST) From: Fred Howard <fredericklhoward@yahoo.com<mailto:fredericklhoward@yahoo.com>> Subject: [LDR] Cemetery Plots/Records Software Program To: Lower DELMARVA Roots <LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <853509.84771.qm@web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com<mailto:853509.84771.qm@web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Would any LDR members recommend a specific cemetery records computer software?program? I serve on a cemetery committee and believe that it would greatly benefit our group to maintain our cemetery records using one of the current software programs. However, when I "google" cemetery records many sites appear. And many of the sites appear to be geared for super-size cemeteries. ? Your feedback would be appreciated. ? Thanks, Fred

Marj - It is a bit of a morass trying to sort these out. I think you are probably better off starting at Delaware Archives. The staff is friendly and generally helpful, but I don't think they have a clear idea of the complexity attendant to researching the Delaware colonial land records, at least as far as original warrants, surveys and patents are concerned. County deed records are not a problem. Keep in mind that Delaware began as a Dutch settlement governed out of New Amsterdam until they were defeated by the English and placed under the proprietorship of the Duke of York. He governed the area until 1684(?) when he sold what became the lower three counties to William Penn. Thus, in addition to the MD and PA records, the colonial records from New York also have to be taken into account. If you really want to pursue this you need to get familiar with the following references, all available in DE Archives - "Delaware's Fugitive Land Records"; Delaware Archives. Delaware Archives, RD1325, Finding Aid #33. This is an 17 page explanation and listing of what colonial records Delaware has acquired from PA and NY in original or microfilm form. Very useful to knowing what you can find there. They really ought to put this on line so people have a ready reference that explains the situation. I have a copy which I made when I visited the Archives. Contact me offline if yu want a copy. "Records of the Courts of Sussex County, Delaware, 1677-1710", Craig Horle; 2 Volumes. A tremendous resource if you are interested in the Pennsylvania controlled part of Sussex at that time period. "Pennsylvania Land Records: a History and Guide for Research", Donna B. Munger; available on-line at Google Books. This is the bible for understanding the holdings in the PA Archives and the intracacies of the PA colonial records. "Original land titles in Delaware commonly known as the Duke of York record, being an authorized transcript from the official archives of the State of Delaware, and comprising the letters patent, permits, commissions, surveys, plats, and confirmations by the Duke of York and other high officials, from 1646 to 1679"; Delaware, state publication; also published by Genealogical Publishing Company. "Name List for Original Land Titles in Delaware Commonly Known as The Duke of York Record ... 1646 to 1679"; Mary H Eastman. Good luck - John Polk ========================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "marjorie adams" <marjea@wildblue.net> To: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [LDR] Fw: Mdlandrec.net Issue 22841 > John Polk, > I can't help YOU but THANK you for your analysis of the situation. If I > understand it correctly the short answer would be: you have to go to the DE > or PA Archives and dig deeper than their indexes. > That is a long distance trip for me; I' m interested in early Sussex > patents, perhaps north of the Indian River that were not recorded in MD, > ones that John Lyons doesn't have in his voluminous files. > Marj Adams > ========================================================== > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:47 AM, John Polk <jfpolk@comcast.net> wrote: > > > At the Delaware Archives. > > > > Problem is that the colonial era survey and patent records for the lower > > three counties belong to Pennsylvania because they were part of > > Pennsylvania > > until Delaware emerged as an independent entity at the start of the > > American > > Revolution. Some of the colonial period land records were eventually handed > > over, somewhat begrudgingly, by Pennsylvania to Delaware, but not in a > > comprehensive way. There didn't seem to have been a very collegial attitude > > between the two states concerning archival records back then. In any case, > > there is an inherent difficulty in that the patents and surveys for all > > Pennsylvania counties are mixed together in volumes covering the entire > > Province, so you can't separate out just the ones belonging to the lower > > three counties. This can be resolved by having good indexes for the lower > > three counties and access to microfilm or online images of the PA patents > > volumes. The images are available - the problem is the indexes. > > > > The PA Patents Register Index, which you can access at the PA Archives > > website, does contain entries for some tracts in Delaware, but clearly not > > all. I just did a sampling on the patentees with surnames begining M-N-O-P > > and found 46 entries for tracts in New Castle, 11 in Kent and 0 in Sussex > > County, for the period 1682 to 1776. M-N-O-P represents about 18% of the > > full index (based on number of pages) so this would extraplate to totals of > > about 255 tracts for New Castle, 61 for Kent, and nothing for Sussex in the > > index altogether. Clearly this is nowhere near the actual number of > > patented > > land tracts for those counties. By comparison I know John Lyon has more > > than > > 1700 tracts in his database just for the parts of Sussex county that were > > originally claimed by Maryland. > > > > When Pennsylvania Archives compiled the Warrants Registers for PA counties > > they could easily have made registers for the lower three counties at the > > same time, but this wasn't done. I have not seen anything comparable > > developed by or for Delaware. You can go to the Archives at Dover and > > search > > through their card file indexes for land records but I always come away > > with > > the suspicion that there are a lot of warrant, survey and patent records > > that aren't compiled there. I have a particular interest in the > > Scotch-Irish > > settlers in New Castle County and am not finding them in the records as > > much > > as I would expect. Certainly there are major problems with the land records > > card file indexes at MD State Archives, as John Lyon has pointed out > > numerous times. One might suspect similar issues in Delaware. For Maryland, > > however, you have the colonial era Rent Rolls and Debt Books which provide > > convenient listings of all patented properties in each county, and an > > independent way of knowing what is supposed to be there. There is nothing > > like this for Delaware, as far as I know, so it is hard to be confident > > that > > the DE Archives land records indexes contain entries for all the original > > land tracts. If I am missing something here, I would be very glad to hear > > from anyone who has worked the Delaware colonial land records and has > > suggestions to offer. > > > > John Polk > > Havre de Grace, MD > > > > > > ======================================================= > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "marjorie adams" <marjea@wildblue.net> > > To: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:49 AM > > Subject: Re: [LDR] Fw: Mdlandrec.net Issue 22841 > > > > > > If only they had included the "lower three counties" in this index > > > > So, if one wants to check a name from there, where would one start? > > > > ======================================================= > > > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:00 AM, John Polk <jfpolk@comcast.net> wrote: > > Well they say comparisons are odious, but with the foregoing comments I > > can't help but point to the PA Archives website where you can pull up all > > the PA original surveys, or rather the later transcriptions thereof, with > > just two clicks, if you have the volume and page reference. To see how > > easy this is just go to > > > > http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/Bah/DAM/rg/di/r17-114CopiedSurveyBooks/r17-114Ma > > inInterfacePage.htm<http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/Bah/DAM/rg/di/r17-114CopiedSurveyBooks/r17-114MainInterfacePage.htm> > > > > > > > They also have all of their county warrants registers on line at > > > > http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/Bah/DAM/rg/di/r17-88WarrantRegisters/r17-88AllCo > > untiesInterface.htm<http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/Bah/DAM/rg/di/r17-88WarrantRegisters/r17-88AllCountiesInterface.htm> > > If you are looking for the first settlers in any county you will find them > > here, alphabetized by first letter of surname, then listed chronological. > > - If only they had included the "lower three counties" in this index : > > > > John Polk > > > > > > > > > > > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello All, I've added the next 20 pages to the book "Chronicles of Colonial Maryland". Also, I have scanned and uploaded the next 20 pages to the book "History of Delaware" by Walter Powell. They are both at http://www.midatlanticarchives.com Alan RESEARCHING: Buckingham, Gilpin, Eastburn, Jeanes, Nowland, Wade, Creswell, Vansant and related families

Judy Ebner <judy_ebner@yahoo.com> wrote: >would you consider Caroline County as well? Thanks Well, I would if I knew where anything was in Caroline, but I don't. John

Quoting Fred Howard <fredericklhoward@yahoo.com>: > Would any LDR members recommend a specific cemetery records computer > software program? I serve on a cemetery committee and believe that > it would greatly benefit our group to maintain our cemetery records > using one of the current software programs. > However, when I "google" cemetery records many sites appear. And many > of the sites appear to be geared for super-size cemeteries. >   > Your feedback would be appreciated. >   > Thanks, > Fred Hi Fred, I had the Microsoft program "Access" on my computer which has columns and you can sort by any column and all the lines will go with that sorted column. So if you put in a particular person in a particular place and then want a sort by section in a cemetery you can have that too. But if you don't happen to have Access on your computer it is probably too expensive to purchase. Also, I found that only on person could have the "data base." Smiles from sunny Alabama, Mary Beth

MS Works, which comes with most computers these days, also has a database program similar but not as full-featured as Access. You can buy new and previously owned versions of MS Office Professional (with Access and Powerpoint) from Amazon at lower prices and probably on eBay too. It's not as easy as Excel, you would be better off finding an existing database just for cemeteries or having someone create a specialized database for you. I used to be more familiar with Access than I am now -- haven't used it in a long time but it can do alot. And you can share databases with other people. Kathi Jones-Hudson MD Tombstone Transcription Project Manager http://www.usgwtombstones.org/maryland/maryland.html

John: Go to the bottom of any of our MD Tombstone Project pages, click on USGS Search Form, fill in state (maryland) and then choose your county, then for Feature Class choose Cemetery. USGS will list all known (to them that is) cemeteries in that county and if with latitude and longitude and you can click on the name of the cemetery, go to its' own page and then at the very right choose a mapping service, GNIS in Google gives a good map. USGS Search Form is here: http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic if you want to get to it directly. Kathi Jones-Hudson MD Tombstone Transcription Project Manager http://www.usgwtombstones.org/maryland/maryland.html

I might add on the cemetery topic that if someone can supply me with latitude and longitude for all the known cemeteries in Somerset, Wicomico and Worcester (and, depending on the breaks, in southern and western Sussex), I'd be able pretty quickly to identify the patents on which they were all orignally located. For some, I'd imagine this would help rationalize the reasons they were there, as I also now have a pretty good correlation of deeds (and much probate) with the patents up to about 1800 in much of the region. I'd only want to undertake this as a totality, rather than onesy-twosy, and make the list accessible somewhere, say at Shari's site, or wherever else makes sense. I also happen to have occasional mentions of graves or setasides for plots from the deed records, which would - if not recognized among surviving cemeteries - at least add data to the list about burial sites otherwise unknown ... maybe in some cases enough to inspire a little investigative field work. So: if anybody wants to compile the geographic locations, I'll be happy to undertake the rest. John Lyon

would you consider Caroline County as well?  Thanks --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Johnlyon0@cs.com <Johnlyon0@cs.com> wrote: From: Johnlyon0@cs.com <Johnlyon0@cs.com> Subject: Re: [LDR] Cemetery Plots/Records Software Program To: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 1:46 PM I might add on the cemetery topic that if someone can supply me with latitude and longitude for all the known cemeteries in Somerset, Wicomico and Worcester (and, depending on the breaks, in southern and western Sussex), I'd be able pretty quickly to identify the patents on which they were all orignally located. For some, I'd imagine this would help rationalize the reasons they were there, as I also now have a pretty good correlation of deeds (and much probate) with the patents up to about 1800 in much of the region. I'd only want to undertake this as a totality, rather than onesy-twosy, and make the list accessible somewhere, say at Shari's site, or wherever else makes sense. I also happen to have occasional mentions of graves or setasides for plots from the deed records, which would - if not recognized among surviving cemeteries - at least add data to the list about burial sites otherwise unknown ... maybe in some cases enough to inspire a little investigative field work. So: if anybody wants to compile the geographic locations, I'll be happy to undertake the rest. John Lyon *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message