Hi Jim, Have you seen the will of Arthur Fowler (Made Dec 1814, Proved Jan 2, 1821)? He names sons Aza, Purnal, John and William Fowler and daughter Sally Layton. I have only seen the abstract in SUSSEX COUNTY DELAWARE WILLS 1813-1827 by K. Louise Planer. I also notice that Tabitha Fowler had a brother named Tilghman. In 1811 Tilghman Layton along with William and John Fowler served as trustees of the Pargamos Chapel at Johns Town (Sussex Delaware Deed AF#29, f-435 as abstracted by Leslie and Neil Keddie). The above Arthur Fowler is no doubt a descendant of the earlier Arthur Fowler who was a close neighbor to Robert Owens and owned a tract of land named Fowler's Chance. Thanks to Lisa Just I recently learned that the earlier Arthur Fowler and Robert Owens married sisters, the daughters of Jonathan Clifton. I have a copy of Jonathan's will in which he mentions daughters, but does not name them. Apparently, the sons-in-law are named in the Administration Account as they give receipt for their wives legacies. I'm hoping to check the original Account to verify, but it seems likely to me. Arthur Fowler and Robert Owens lived in what is today Nanticoke Hundred near the Sussex/Kent County border. In the early records the area is referred to as Heinses or Heindses Neck and later as John's Neck. The descendants of Robert Owens and his brother Samuel sold some of their land holdings in Johns Neck to the Laws and Polk families. What records prove Lowder Layton married Tabitha Laws? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Moore" <moorejl@gmail.com> To: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [LDR] FOWLER of northern Sussex > Good morning, Em, > > There's fresh snow on the ground here in Wilmington, I have a mug of > coffee and a fresh package of Fudge Stripe cookies by my side and Dave > Brubeck plays jazz in the background -- was there ever a better > setting for genealogy research?!?! > > In what context do you find a Tabitha Fowler? > > There were several Arthurs. The daughter of one Arthur, Sally, > married Solomon Layton of the St. Johnstown area. Solomon remains one > of my major brick walls. I have constructed his branch, but can't > attach it to the tree. > > Thanks for responding. > > Jim > > > On 1/27/09, Emalu Simpson <emalu@intercom.net> wrote: >> I have not studied the question carefully, but there is an Arthur Fowler >> involved with Tabitha Fowler. Not sure if it is her husband. Does that >> ring >> any bells? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Moore" <moorejl@gmail.com> >> To: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:27 PM >> Subject: [LDR] FOWLER of northern Sussex >> >> >> > Folks: Tabitha Layton, daughter of Louder Layton and Tabitha Laws of >> > Milford, married a FOWLER about 1785. Seeking name of this Fowler. >> > This marriage started interactions between Laytons and Fowlers that >> > continued well into the 1800s. Recently found some Delaware Fowlers >> in >> > Ohio, so I'm wondering if my inability to find this couple in DE might >> be >> > because they immigrated westward ... along with about half of >> Delmarva! >> > Jim Moore >> > Wilmington >> >> > *************************************** >> > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >> > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >> > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

old rt. 13 laurel to blades> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:15:15 -0500> From: imnetz@aol.com> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LDR] Laurel-Concord Road> > > Hi List,> > You might have read in my post about Manaen B. Marvel that I saw a drawing from 1823 with James Marvel's house on the Laurel-Concord Road. What roads do you think that would be today? The tract Snow Hill is described as about 2 miles from the Broad Creek wading place. James Marvel is living directly on the road and on the edge of the tract called Snow Hill. So at first I thought it is probably today's Sycamore Road and then Firetower Road. But the drawing has the road at more of an upright angle which fits better with Discount Land Road leading to Firetower Road. The oldest road map with any detail I have is the Beers Atlas and I've been comparing that to the 1915 topo maps on Maptech and modern maps.> > William Marvel, brother of James, owned several farms and most of them have the Laurel-Concord Road in their description. > > Where is the old Laurel-Concord Road?> > Thanks for any and all help,> > Nanette> ***************************************> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING?> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ:> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009

joslake@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Re: "Matthias the crook" (see below). No doubt you're > already aware of the following, but in those days there were > virtually no (repeat NO) human rights laws. A "peasant" class > individual (& others) could be arrested and thrown in prison > for things now considered ridiculous. "Matthias the crook" > may have been transported (as a felon) but more info is needed > to determine whether or not he was a "bad" character. :-) Matthias was convicted of stealing 39 shillings worth of goods. The evidence, uncontradicted, was that he stole at least 180 shillings worth. As often happened, the jury reduced the amount to 39 s. to avoid the death penalty, which was automatic for thefts of 40 s. or more. He also was not a peasant, but was described at the trial as "a Gentleman and a Man of Credit". While I applied the epithet more than a little facetiously, he did steal, then lie about it, and attempt to pay off the pawnbroker who caught him. Regardless of his character, he was a crook, at least that one time. The account of the trial is here: http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/html_units/1730s/t17360505-53.html At to the general quality of the early 18th century justice system, it certainly left a lot to be desired, especially by our standards, but they generally did the best they could with what they had. In some ways they did better than we do: no 9-month O.J. trials for them. Months or years did not pass between indictment and trial. Decades did not pass between conviction and final determination of the case. Matthias's theft took place on 31 March 1736, he was tried on 5 May, and was on his way to Maryland before the month was out. Juries also tended to be lenient: of the 65 convictions on 5 May (I don't know how many courtrooms were in action), only 7 resulted in death penalties. -- T.M. Sommers -- tmsommers2@gmail.com -- ab2sb

Hi List, You might have read in my post about Manaen B. Marvel that I saw a drawing from 1823 with James Marvel's house on the Laurel-Concord Road. What roads do you think that would be today? The tract Snow Hill is described as about 2 miles from the Broad Creek wading place. James Marvel is living directly on the road and on the edge of the tract called Snow Hill. So at first I thought it is probably today's Sycamore Road and then Firetower Road. But the drawing has the road at more of an upright angle which fits better with Discount Land Road leading to Firetower Road. The oldest road map with any detail I have is the Beers Atlas and I've been comparing that to the 1915 topo maps on Maptech and modern maps. William Marvel, brother of James, owned several farms and most of them have the Laurel-Concord Road in their description. Where is the old Laurel-Concord Road? Thanks for any and all help, Nanette

Hi Betty and List, I have also been puzzled by Manaen B. Marvel, born 1807 and I have another wife for him. I have that he married Ann Lacey in 1835 as you have and Eliza J. Burton on 5 March 1844. That "Louise C." wife entry in the census is puzzling but I found in the IGI that his wife was "Eliza Corde" also. So I am not sure if Eliza J. Burton is the same person as Eliza Corde or he married 2 separate Elizas. If "Louise C." was kind of slurred it might sound like "Liza C." BUT there is an Eliza J. Marvel in the 1900 census, living with her son George, with 9 births and 6 living children so I think that they are all the same person, Eliza J., Eliza Corde, and Louise C. But I am open to any new information or new ways to look at this. Sorry I can't be more definitive. But he is the son of Philip Marvel and Elizabeth Jefferson. I know a whole lot more about the other Manaen B. Marvel, born 1821, son of James W. and Margaret Marvel. He was probably named after their prominent neighbor in Broad Creek Hundred, Manaen Bull, formerly of Connecticut. Manaen Bull married the widow of Nathaniel Mitchell and was involved in many land transactions. I just found out recently that James Marvel and his family were living in a house on the Laurel-Concord Rd. in 1823 that was owned by Manaen Bull. There is a Court of Common Pleas case between Manaen Bull and Hamilton O'Neal and there is a lovely oversized drawing to help explain the disagreement they were having.The tracts Snow Hill and Snow Hill Enlarged and the road are all nicely drawn and include a house with a red roof right on the road labeled "House where James Marvel now lives, possessed by plaintiff". I was thrilled to see it at the archives in Dover as my husband is a descendant of James W. Marvel. Anyway, Manaen B. Marvel, born 1821, was in Seaford in 1840, not found in 1850, but in 1860 he is in Bristol, Bucks Co., PA and later moves to Trenton, Mercer Co., NJ. He married Mary J. Brown on 21 May 1856 in Burlington Co., NJ and died in Waverly, Essex Co., NJ on 1 Feb 1890. He was struck by a train engine and was a Railroad watchman at the end of his life but mostly his occupation is listed as carpenter and ship carpenter. Manaen Bull Marvel and his wife are both buried in the Bristol Cemetery in Bucks Co., PA now. Their graves were moved from a church graveyard in town at one point. Nanette In a message dated 01/29/09 03:15:37 Eastern Standard Time, lower-delmarva-roots-request@rootsweb.com writes: Message: 10 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:59:04 EST From: BGKnoche@aol.com Subject: [LDR] Manaan B. Marvel To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d26.228bcd16.36b23d38@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hoping someone can sort these out! I have a Manaan Bull Marvel b 1/8/1807 d 8/22/1888 s/o Capt Phillip P and Elizabeth (Jefferson) Marvel who married Ann Lacey 6/27/1835 also married Louise C LNU. (Phillip Marvel will identifies a son Manaan B Marvel as well as sons Phillip and Theodore W. and daughter Comfort Marvel Davidson. Phillip lived in Dagsborough Hundred.) I also have a Manaan B. Marvel b 9/13/1829 d after 1870 s/o James W and Margaret Marvel married Eliza J. Burton 3/5/1844 in Sussex County. (This is a rootsweb family tree of Donna Brock titled Marvel-Kunz Genealogy.) The census records I have found: 1850 Indian River Hundred Manaen B Marvel 42 farmer DE Eliza C Marvel 30 DE Alfred H Marvel 14 DE Thomas Marvel 13 DE Sarah A Marvel 6 DE Mary E Marvel 4 DE Margaret P Marvel 2 DE Eliza E Marvel 1 DE Mary E Wheeler 12 DE Mary Prettyman 23 DE 1860 Indian River Hundred: Meriam B Marvel 53 farmer DE Eliza Marvel 43 DE Alfred H Marvel 23 farmer DE Thomas Marvel 21 sailor DE Sarah A Marvel 15 DE Mary Marvel 13 DE Margaret Marvel 12 DE Eliza E Marvel 10 DE Edger Marvel 8 DE David Marvel 6 DE Theodore Marvel 4 DE George Marvel 1 DE 1870 Indian River Hundred: Manaen B Marvel 62 farmer DE Eliza C Marvel 52 keeping house DE Thomas Marvel 32 seaman DE Mary E Marvel 21 at home DE Emily E Marvel 19 at home DE Edgar Marvel 18 farm labor DE David Marvel 15 farm labor DE Theoadore W Marvel 12 farm labor DE George D Marvel 9 farm labor DE 1880 Indian River Hundred: Manaen B. Marvel 73 farmer DE DE DE Louise C. Marvel wife 66 keeping house DE DE DE Theodore W. Marvel son 24 farm labor DE DE DE George D. Marvel son 21 farm labor DE DE DE Annie V. Marvel granddaughter 11 at home DE DE DE Emma Richards niece 24 DE DE DE Mary E. Richards grand neice 2 DE DE DE I am trying to sort out these families! These census records would appear to be of the same family...except Eliza becomes Louise. Perhaps someone more familiar with the Marvel clan can help here. I did check Marvel Family History (Marvelicous Genealogy) and only found the one Manaan B Marvel 1807-1888, s/o Phillip and Elizabeth (Jefferson) Marvel married to Ann Lacey. What happened to them? Who is the other Manaen B Marvel? Betty

"Dave & Jane Kearney" <kearneyd@erols.com> wrote: >But do we have any Lower Shore tracts named Shortnose Sturgeon, Dwarf Wedgemussel, or Burying Beetle? :-) __________ Well, none that I know of. However, I did google "bog turtle" from your endangered list and found the Wikipedia article asserting that they're 100 ft long [sic] (but only weigh 700 lbs [sic]), the females a little smaller. That's a lot of turtle soup; I can understand why they might have been hunted to near-extinction. There's a single Turtle Creek -- in western Sussex (NW Fork); this must be where the remaining giant reptiles haunt the forest, terrifying the natives. Given their Wikipedia-stated size and weight, I assume their shells harbor vast hydrogen sacs, allowing them to float above the bogs, inhaling mosquitos by the millions. Other than turtles, the patent names refer to many mosquitos, some foxes, the occasional squirrel, a couple of rattlesnakes, one wildcat and a butterfly. A few [Somebody's] Fishing Holes show up, but no sturgeons. Whales are missing altogether. Domesticated creatures, though, are a constant thread: cows (and calves), horses, pigs and hogs, sheep (and ewes) appear in endless patent names. John

>>>More recently, oysters, it seems, have been pretty much driven out.<<< _________________ Here are the animals that the U. S. Fish & Wildlife Service appears to currently list as threatened or endangered in some or all of Delaware: Piping plover Eastern puma (cougar) Green sea turtle Hawksbill sea turtle Kemp's ridley sea turtle Leatherback sea turtle Loggerhead sea turtle Delmarva Paninsula fox squirrel Shortnose sturgeon Northern bog (Muhlenberg) turtle Finback whale Humpback whale Right whale American burying beetle Eskimo curlew Dwarf wedgemussel Gray wolf ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/StateListingAndOccurrence.do?state=DE Alas, the erster doesn't appear to have been listed yet (not added to the website listing for Delaware, anyway). But do we have any Lower Shore tracts named Shortnose Sturgeon, Dwarf Wedgemussel, or Burying Beetle? :-) Dave K

Hoping someone can sort these out! I have a Manaan Bull Marvel b 1/8/1807 d 8/22/1888 s/o Capt Phillip P and Elizabeth (Jefferson) Marvel who married Ann Lacey 6/27/1835 also married Louise C LNU. (Phillip Marvel will identifies a son Manaan B Marvel as well as sons Phillip and Theodore W. and daughter Comfort Marvel Davidson. Phillip lived in Dagsborough Hundred.) I also have a Manaan B. Marvel b 9/13/1829 d after 1870 s/o James W and Margaret Marvel married Eliza J. Burton 3/5/1844 in Sussex County. (This is a rootsweb family tree of Donna Brock titled Marvel-Kunz Genealogy.) The census records I have found: 1850 Indian River Hundred Manaen B Marvel 42 farmer DE Eliza C Marvel 30 DE Alfred H Marvel 14 DE Thomas Marvel 13 DE Sarah A Marvel 6 DE Mary E Marvel 4 DE Margaret P Marvel 2 DE Eliza E Marvel 1 DE Mary E Wheeler 12 DE Mary Prettyman 23 DE 1860 Indian River Hundred: Meriam B Marvel 53 farmer DE Eliza Marvel 43 DE Alfred H Marvel 23 farmer DE Thomas Marvel 21 sailor DE Sarah A Marvel 15 DE Mary Marvel 13 DE Margaret Marvel 12 DE Eliza E Marvel 10 DE Edger Marvel 8 DE David Marvel 6 DE Theodore Marvel 4 DE George Marvel 1 DE 1870 Indian River Hundred: Manaen B Marvel 62 farmer DE Eliza C Marvel 52 keeping house DE Thomas Marvel 32 seaman DE Mary E Marvel 21 at home DE Emily E Marvel 19 at home DE Edgar Marvel 18 farm labor DE David Marvel 15 farm labor DE Theoadore W Marvel 12 farm labor DE George D Marvel 9 farm labor DE 1880 Indian River Hundred: Manaen B. Marvel 73 farmer DE DE DE Louise C. Marvel wife 66 keeping house DE DE DE Theodore W. Marvel son 24 farm labor DE DE DE George D. Marvel son 21 farm labor DE DE DE Annie V. Marvel granddaughter 11 at home DE DE DE Emma Richards niece 24 DE DE DE Mary E. Richards grand neice 2 DE DE DE I am trying to sort out these families! These census records would appear to be of the same family...except Eliza becomes Louise. Perhaps someone more familiar with the Marvel clan can help here. I did check Marvel Family History (Marvelicous Genealogy) and only found the one Manaan B Marvel 1807-1888, s/o Phillip and Elizabeth (Jefferson) Marvel married to Ann Lacey. What happened to them? Who is the other Manaen B Marvel? Betty **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002)

Jim Moore <moorejl@gmail.com> wrote: >Thanks John.  Amazing what one can learn by asking. And this makes me wonder >what other animals roamed Delmarva early on but have been driven out by >those hungry English settlers. _____________ Bears. About 35 tracts mentioning bears in their names, including bear traps and bear dens, are found, and another 70 which mention places like Bear Swamp, Bear Point, etc. Some of these might have meant "Bare", but many certainly referred to the animals. More recently, oysters, it seems, have been pretty much driven out. John

Thanks John. Amazing what one can learn by asking. And this makes me wonder what other animals roamed Delmarva early on but have been driven out by those hungry English settlers. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Mike Hitch <mikehitch@mikehitch.com>wrote: > LOL - thx John, and I stand corrected on the lair/pit definition! But, at > least my basic premise was correct... > > Best Regards, > Mike Hitch > "so often times it happens that we live our lives in chains and we never > even know we have the key..." - Eagles (Already Gone) > > -----Original Message----- > From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Johnlyon0@cs.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:02 PM > To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDR] wolf pit ridge > > No, not a lair. A wolf pit was a hole excavated and hidden as a wolf trap. > It was where they got those ears. About a dozen sites containing "Wolf > Pit" > and variants are mentioned in about 50 patents across the Lower Shore. > > Beaver dams were a lot more ubiquitous. 265 instances in my database. > Those > rodents were everywhere. > > John > > "Mike Hitch" <mikehitch@mikehitch.com> wrote: > > >Lots of wolves back in the day (as referenced by the bounty on wolf ears > in > >the old Somerset Judicials) - probably just a reference to a ridge with a > >wolf's lair included....lots of tracts name "Beaver Dams" if I remember > >correctly, as well... > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

LOL - thx John, and I stand corrected on the lair/pit definition! But, at least my basic premise was correct... Best Regards, Mike Hitch "so often times it happens that we live our lives in chains and we never even know we have the key..." - Eagles (Already Gone) -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Johnlyon0@cs.com Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:02 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] wolf pit ridge No, not a lair. A wolf pit was a hole excavated and hidden as a wolf trap. It was where they got those ears. About a dozen sites containing "Wolf Pit" and variants are mentioned in about 50 patents across the Lower Shore. Beaver dams were a lot more ubiquitous. 265 instances in my database. Those rodents were everywhere. John "Mike Hitch" <mikehitch@mikehitch.com> wrote: >Lots of wolves back in the day (as referenced by the bounty on wolf ears in >the old Somerset Judicials) - probably just a reference to a ridge with a >wolf's lair included....lots of tracts name "Beaver Dams" if I remember >correctly, as well... *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No, not a lair. A wolf pit was a hole excavated and hidden as a wolf trap. It was where they got those ears. About a dozen sites containing "Wolf Pit" and variants are mentioned in about 50 patents across the Lower Shore. Beaver dams were a lot more ubiquitous. 265 instances in my database. Those rodents were everywhere. John "Mike Hitch" <mikehitch@mikehitch.com> wrote: >Lots of wolves back in the day (as referenced by the bounty on wolf ears in >the old Somerset Judicials) - probably just a reference to a ridge with a >wolf's lair included....lots of tracts name "Beaver Dams" if I remember >correctly, as well...

Lots of wolves back in the day (as referenced by the bounty on wolf ears in the old Somerset Judicials) - probably just a reference to a ridge with a wolf's lair included....lots of tracts name "Beaver Dams" if I remember correctly, as well... Best Regards, Mike Hitch "so often times it happens that we live our lives in chains and we never even know we have the key..." - Eagles (Already Gone) -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moore Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:23 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] wolf pit ridge I've run into a couple of tracts named "Wolf Pit Ridge" or some variation. Anyone willing to venture a guess as to the origin of the term and why it was used so frequently? Jim Moore Snowed-in in Wilmington On 1/28/09, Johnlyon0@cs.com <Johnlyon0@cs.com> wrote: > t.metz@comcast.net wrote: > > >Is wolf pit ridge in Sussex in the present day Dirickson Creek area or in Worcester county? > > > If you mean Abraham Lynch's survey LYNCHES CHOICE, mentioning Wolf Pit Ridge, it's now in Sussex. I think it's just east of the Great Cypress Swamp, a little above the MD border. Exact placement is vague from MD records, but seems to have been 3-4 miles west of the Dirickson Creek Lynch properties. But I may be wrong on my interpretation of the siting; there's not much to go on. > > A problem here, as in the "Indian Town" question, is that there were about half a dozen sites across the Lower Shore called "Wolf Pit Ridge", named in almost 30 patents. > > John > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've run into a couple of tracts named "Wolf Pit Ridge" or some variation. Anyone willing to venture a guess as to the origin of the term and why it was used so frequently? Jim Moore Snowed-in in Wilmington On 1/28/09, Johnlyon0@cs.com <Johnlyon0@cs.com> wrote: > t.metz@comcast.net wrote: > > >Is wolf pit ridge in Sussex in the present day Dirickson Creek area or in Worcester county? > > > If you mean Abraham Lynch's survey LYNCHES CHOICE, mentioning Wolf Pit Ridge, it's now in Sussex. I think it's just east of the Great Cypress Swamp, a little above the MD border. Exact placement is vague from MD records, but seems to have been 3-4 miles west of the Dirickson Creek Lynch properties. But I may be wrong on my interpretation of the siting; there's not much to go on. > > A problem here, as in the "Indian Town" question, is that there were about half a dozen sites across the Lower Shore called "Wolf Pit Ridge", named in almost 30 patents. > > John > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

marjorie adams <marjea@wildblue.net> wrote: >Would you be able to tell me: >How far south of St. Martin's River did Showell's "Cropton" extend in >today's terms? >Where was Walton's "Neighborhood" in relation to Trappe? >Where was/were the "Patrick's Lott" (s) detailed previously? >  Could a lease be acquired for oneself AND heirs, and then be "sold" for >profit by the heirs? >By 1740 when a property of 100A+ is found on plats.net assigned to an >individual  was it usually vacant up to that time or was it usually part of >a larger property patented earlier? (I have seen deeds where the surveyor >adds some vacant contiguous property but usually under 50A.) >After 1776 when the properties patented in MD came under DE jurisdiction, >was there any attempt to transfer original documents to DE or did  they >remain in the MD records? > >There has been discussion on this list in the past about your plans for >making you data available for others to research.  Do you have any definite >plans to do so? ____________________ You’ve asked at least six questions. Geniis only have to answer three. My bells were already all rung... CROPTON: centered at 38/34/27N, 75/13/09W NEIGHBOURHOOD: centered at 38/18/31N, 75/07/35W PATRICKS LOT: centered at 38/19/21N, 75/12/02W. Private leases are a matter on which I have no reliable data. They appear rarely in the official documentary records. I would imagine that they were governed by whatever applied to contract law and any stipulations among the parties. I’ve never seen a sublease in the Provincial records. Warrants came in various kinds: “common” warrants for previously unclaimed land (known as “vacant”), and “special warrants” of different sorts for land which had some prior history. Some were special warrants of resurvey to consolidate a new owner’s contiguous holdings, and/or perhaps correcting defects in earlier surveys, and/or adding contiguous vacancies. Some were warrants for escheat land (which had reverted to the Province for failure of earlier owners to keep up annual quitrent, some were “warrants on the proclamation” (a similar, but specific, sort of situation), and on and on. You can see instantly in the Original Certificates in plats.net what sort of warrant applied in the opening statement by the surveyor on the face of the survey description. If it mentions no “special” circumstance, it was a “common” warrant for vacant land, never earlier occupied. If a resurvey, the surveyor - depending on the time frame - was required to record with then-dictated specificity the parents (or parts of parents) being resurveyed, including any corrections and overlaps (interferences) among predecessors which he found. For exotic conditions like escheat, he made other notations of what he was fixing in the documentary record. This is a vast, deep subject, about which what I know comes from (a) having processed nearly 12,000 survey records and (b) what’s in John Kilty’s Land Holder’s Assistant (see Volume 73 of the Archives of Maryland On-Line). This is an excellent – the definitive – resource, if wordy, to help understand the entire process and its application to many situations. No migration of records took place between MD and DE. The DE warrants and surveys made in 1776+ to “novate” the land to DE jurisdiction reference the MD property descriptions, but as to the process by which that was done, I’m clueless. All such MD records remain in MSA holdings, even though they have suffered at the hands of Land Office and later archival indexing practices of various kinds. They are disorganized and difficult to access systematically. Publication of my work: a more complicated topic than I can treat here. Ideal publication is in digital form with a graphical viewer, enabling the user to see, manipulate, access and interrogate as I do. Making this happen is the problem. God knows I've tried ... several times. John

t.metz@comcast.net wrote: >Please correct any assumptions on my part: <snip> _________________ Yes, “this place in Sussex” had been regarded as in Worcester from 1742-1774, and in Somerset before 1742, as all my maps describe. I have no clue on Lynch lineages across the centuries. Your question on DEAR (or DEER) HARBOUR is plagued with another of these repeated uses of one title in several places, several of which might fit. Which of the several such patents do you “keep running into wills of folks who leave land in Dear Harbour” for? And which folks? This isn’t much for me to go on. It occurs to me here that you might find these people “popping up” everywhere because you’ve found references to more than one of the DEAR HARBOURs in Worcester and Wicomico, adding to your confusion. John

t.metz@comcast.net wrote: >Is  wolf pit ridge in Sussex in the present day Dirickson Creek area or in Worcester county?  If you mean Abraham Lynch’s survey LYNCHES CHOICE, mentioning Wolf Pit Ridge, it’s now in Sussex. I think it’s just east of the Great Cypress Swamp, a little above the MD border. Exact placement is vague from MD records, but seems to have been 3-4 miles west of the Dirickson Creek Lynch properties. But I may be wrong on my interpretation of the siting; there’s not much to go on. A problem here, as in the “Indian Town” question, is that there were about half a dozen sites across the Lower Shore called “Wolf Pit Ridge”, named in almost 30 patents. John

We are getting snow in Salisbury MD. too. I am wondering if anyone on this list has researched the family of Perry D. Taylor (1819-1886) who married Elizabeth Ann Covey. The lived in Caroline Co., MD. It seems that his father, John Taylor ,came with his family to Caroline Co. in time for the 1820 census, (I believe it was them living in District 3.) I am hoping to find some evidence of his parents, near Frederica Del. before 1820, where Perry was said to have been born to parents John Taylor and Sarah Derouchbrune. Anyone have any suggestions about where I should start looking for them in the records at the Delaware Archives? Patti ____________________________________________________________ Durable and cost effective steel buildings. Click for huge discounts. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw29rwAQheje6nQ7lhOsOsBHZm1NWgM2ft9nmVKIwCcuqDxZj/

I am currently reviewing data that I have received for General Thomas Fisher, son of Jabez Maud Fisher. One source  says he was married 3 times - Elizabeth Evans, Sarah Robinson, and Nancy Owens. Other data agrees that he was married 3 times but gives the name of the second wife as Sarah Polk instead of Sarah Robinson. Did he have any children with Sarah? Thanks for any informtion you can give. Eva (Mrs. Dana West Ruben)

Hi, I will be traveling to the Delaware Archives in Dover on February 8 and plan to spend at least the next three days doing research on my West line. At the end of the week, I plan to visit a few Sussex County cemeteries to take more headstone photos. I am hoping that I will find some trace of Ebenezer H. West who is my 3rd great grandfather and who would likely have been born around 1800 and died around 1836. The only date which is known is the date of marriage to Mary Morris West, daughter of Kendle(Kendal) West.(October 31, 1822. ) He is named as executor of Kendle's estate in Kendle's will and would have owned property along Vines Creek which was bequeathed to his wife. Hopefully, I can find out when and where he was born , where and when he died and from what cause, and what happened to the land that he and his wife Mary owned. I am a member of West DNA group # 1 and am trying to figure out where Ebenezer fits into the puzzle. While I imagine that I will have my hands full with Ebenezer and Kendle, if I end up with some spare time, I might be able to look for specific other West records if any West researchers would let me know what they are looking for. Walt West