I know many of you have researched the Ball family. I am not attempting to conect us to Mary Ball. I'm just trying to research OUR family. There was a Levi Ball who died in 1807 in Worcester Co., MD. Does anyone have him in your line or research? Did he own land in Worcester Co.? I know that he married Elizabeth Mills, widow of Robert Mills after Aug. 1788 in Worcester Co. Please decipher this for me. Levi Ball died intestate. The settlement of his estate says: John Ball, Samuel Ball and Levi Ball gives administration to brother Christopher Ball. Elizabeth Ball, widow of Levi Ball gives administration to Christopher Ball. Administrator, Christopher Ball. Bonds, John R. Slocomb and Joseph Stevenson. JBR349. Is this saying that John, Samuel, Levi, and Christopher are children of Levi Ball who died in 1807? I'm confused because Stratton Nottingham's Soldiers and Sailors of the Eastern Shore of Va in the Rev. War states: Christopher Ball, John Ball, Samuel Ball, Levi Ball, William Ball and Elizabeth Richardson are the only heirs at law of James Ball and Seger Ball who were soldiers in the VA Continental Line in the Rev. War. I cannot find anything about Seger/Segar/Seeger, etc. Ball. I would appreciate any directions. Clare

I'm sorry, but it had everything to do with pigs. Just as tracts named COW something referred to cows, and not Ebenezer Cow. Of some 12,000 patents and unpatented surveys made on the lower MD Shore, there seems to have been only one Hogg family represented, that of James Hogg who arrived in the general Berlin area ca 1700. A couple of tracts in that area were titled HOGGS FOLLY, referring to that family, and not the four-legged critters ... John -----Original Message----- From: Charles Webster <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, Jul 9, 2010 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. I doubt it had anything to do with pigs.  Hogg is a Scottish surname and certainly there were many Scots on the Eastern Shore. ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 6:44:11 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. Possibly that was the area in which pigs were kept.  And, since many  people had pigs, there would naturally be a lot of places called that.  At  any rate, it sounds logical. Elizabeth In a message dated 7/7/2010 7:40:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  [email protected] writes: John, I assumed that once someone named  their property, such as HOGG Quarters, that it was more or less consider  like a patent.  Now I see that I was wrong.  Now, one does  wonder how the early settlers ever came up with such a name.  ;) Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From:  <[email protected]> To:  <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010  5:40 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. > There  was no gatekeeper preventing tract names being used again and >  again.  There were over 60 different patents titled HOG QUARTER  (often > spelled then as HOGG ...) spread across Somerset, Worcester  and > Wicomico, and a few now in Sussex.  As I said in my earlier  post, over > a third of these were in what's now Worcester.    The most common tract > name, though, was just plain CHANCE, which seems  to have been used 155 > times ... This is the sort of thing which can  confuse things mightily > for researchers.  One of the  characteristic problems in Ruth Dryden's > published volumes is her  assignment of deeds in title histories to the > wrong tract of the same  name.  Using that data carelessly has led many > people to barking  up the wrong HOG QUARTER, or CHANCE, or whatever. > > Black cattle  were among the Somerset 1783 collected stats, too. > Googling a bit, one  finds that black Angus also became prized, but it > seems that was a  little later breeding development.  One wonders if > "black cattle"  was somehow a more general term of agricultural art, > applied to "the  best", whatever their breed, but this is beyond my pay > grade.  I've always wondered about these assessment categories, with > questions  like "What about sheep and hogs and oxen?"  There was surely >  method behind the particular madness of the chosen assets, and only >  those. > > John > > > > > >  -----Original Message----- > From: Michelle Burris Kenerly  <[email protected]> > To:  [email protected] > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 4:55  pm > Subject: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. > > >  Members: >      I have read with great interest your  postings of property listed > as HOG > Quarters and HOGG Quarters.  It appears that this may have been several > acres and > or passed  down to a lot of different folks. >      My ancestral  records show that my GGGGG Grandfather Sothey KING > bought land >  listed as HOGG Quarters on March 18, 1776.  The deed showed that he  was > living > in Worcester Co., MD at the time. 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It could have been pigs - there were plenty of places called things like "Cow Pen". Of course, all we can do at this remove is speculate. Elizabeth In a message dated 7/9/2010 4:39:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hmmm. very interesting! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. > This one is a bit of a "reach" (in light of the subject) :-) Hogmanay > is the > Scottish word for the last day of the year. > > Joe Lake > > > I doubt it had anything to do with pigs. Hogg is a Scottish surname and > certainly there were many Scots on the Eastern Shore. > > > > > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hmmm. very interesting! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. > This one is a bit of a "reach" (in light of the subject) :-) Hogmanay > is the > Scottish word for the last day of the year. > > Joe Lake > > > I doubt it had anything to do with pigs. Hogg is a Scottish surname and > certainly there were many Scots on the Eastern Shore. > > > > > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This one is a bit of a "reach" (in light of the subject) :-) Hogmanay is the Scottish word for the last day of the year. Joe Lake I doubt it had anything to do with pigs. Hogg is a Scottish surname and certainly there were many Scots on the Eastern Shore.

The practice in early Somerset was cattle marks (defined cuts in ears), not brands with irons. These are documented in various places across the early deed books, sometimes in lists, occasionally individually. I've always imagined that other MD counties were pretty much the same, but offhand can think of nothing speaking to it. Most states nowadays have Statewide "Brand Books" for livestock, which - depending on the State - may go back a ways. In some states, like Texas, these are maintained at the County level, but mostly they're statewide. As to how you'd round these up for a given venue, it's a googling sort of question. John. -----Original Message----- From: Bob KNOTTS <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 10:38 pm Subject: Re: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings./now record of brands This sounds like a great place to slide tghis question in. Is there anyplace that has information on brands in colobnial times? We're trying to deterine if the James KNOTT b 1602 was our ancestor. My cousin in Oregon has (I think) our g-grandfathers branding iron from the KNOTTS/OWENS farm near Corvallis OR. Settled in abt 1847-48. Our g-grandfather was William KNOTTS, b 1805 in Queen Annes co. MD.

I doubt it had anything to do with pigs.  Hogg is a Scottish surname and certainly there were many Scots on the Eastern Shore. ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 6:44:11 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. Possibly that was the area in which pigs were kept.  And, since many  people had pigs, there would naturally be a lot of places called that.  At  any rate, it sounds logical. Elizabeth In a message dated 7/7/2010 7:40:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  [email protected] writes: John, I assumed that once someone named  their property, such as HOGG Quarters, that it was more or less consider  like a patent.  Now I see that I was wrong.  Now, one does  wonder how the early settlers ever came up with such a name.  ;) Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From:  <[email protected]> To:  <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010  5:40 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. > There  was no gatekeeper preventing tract names being used again and >  again.  There were over 60 different patents titled HOG QUARTER  (often > spelled then as HOGG ...) spread across Somerset, Worcester  and > Wicomico, and a few now in Sussex.  As I said in my earlier  post, over > a third of these were in what's now Worcester.    The most common tract > name, though, was just plain CHANCE, which seems  to have been used 155 > times ... This is the sort of thing which can  confuse things mightily > for researchers.  One of the  characteristic problems in Ruth Dryden's > published volumes is her  assignment of deeds in title histories to the > wrong tract of the same  name.  Using that data carelessly has led many > people to barking  up the wrong HOG QUARTER, or CHANCE, or whatever. > > Black cattle  were among the Somerset 1783 collected stats, too. > Googling a bit, one  finds that black Angus also became prized, but it > seems that was a  little later breeding development.  One wonders if > "black cattle"  was somehow a more general term of agricultural art, > applied to "the  best", whatever their breed, but this is beyond my pay > grade.  I've always wondered about these assessment categories, with > questions  like "What about sheep and hogs and oxen?"  There was surely >  method behind the particular madness of the chosen assets, and only >  those. > > John > > > > > >  -----Original Message----- > From: Michelle Burris Kenerly  <[email protected]> > To:  [email protected] > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 4:55  pm > Subject: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. > > >  Members: >      I have read with great interest your  postings of property listed > as HOG > Quarters and HOGG Quarters.  It appears that this may have been several > acres and > or passed  down to a lot of different folks. >      My ancestral  records show that my GGGGG Grandfather Sothey KING > bought land >  listed as HOGG Quarters on March 18, 1776.  The deed showed that he  was > living > in Worcester Co., MD at the time. He may have even  lost the land later. >      Actually, I'm not  trying to get into the mix of things, just > thought it >  interesting that so many people had ownership of this named  property. >    Regards, >  Michelle > > > > >  *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING  GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa  Roots Mailing List FAQ: >  http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >  ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please  send an email to > [email protected] >  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >  body of > the message > >  *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING  GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa  Roots Mailing List FAQ: >  http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >  ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please  send an email to > [email protected] with the  word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of  the message *************************************** QUESTIONS about  POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa  Roots Mailing List  FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to  [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without  the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

presumably one can send off to the archives for the actual pages for our ancestors in the 1783 census using the index as a guide....is that true? Thanks for the interesting discussion. Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 06:11:08 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [LDR] Hog Quarter David Bowen 1783 Worcester Co. Exactly. The assessments reflected the special interests du jour, with as much or as little sense as tax laws today. Just for reference, the 1783 Somerset-collected categories were those following. Comparing to those I showed the other day for Worcester, we see that the So assessors were locally instructed to be more thorough on nature and quality of the land, but that the other basic statistical tallies came down the same from above: Another important point overlooked by almost everybody is the utility of these lists as a census, certainly better (with all the other detail), than, say, the early Federal censuses (especially the missing one in Somerset). John Somerset-tabulated categories (* = not in Worcester tabulations) Taxpayer Names of Lands Acres Original Grant * Acres * If Resurvey * If Escheat * Surplus * Deficiency * Improvements * Situation * General Quality of the Soil * Quantity of Arable Land * Quantity of Wood Land * Quantity of Meadow * Value of Land Slaves Males, Females under 8 / Value Males, Females 8 -14 / Value Males 14-45 /Value Females 14-36 /Value Males 45+, Females 36+ / Value Plate Ounces / Value Horses Black Cattle Value Value of other Property Total Amount Assessment thereon White Inhabitants Male Female ___________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Dave & Jane Kearney It would be interesting to know how static the "tax list" of taxable items was ... for instance, was the item, "black cattle," on the list for 100 years, or did the list change significantly over time? (Don't laugh or chortle, but when I first read the list as posted here on the list, I thought that perhaps "black cattle" was a garbled line accidentally put together from two lines, one referring to bovine cattle, and another one for those of our ancestors who were treated as human cattle of the day.) One can imagine that the specific items to be tax tablulated at any given point in time might have been influenced by many of the same sorts of sometimes seemingly mysterious forces that shape modern tax policy. Why are some things taxed and others not? Whose ox (or black cow) was being gored in the days of yore presumably was the result of the political process, with outcomes that probably usually made good sense to the government, if not all the time to the taxees. *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, one can. Here you are, already calling it a "census". John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:45 am Subject: Re: [LDR] Hog Quarter David Bowen re archives tax list presumably one can send off to the archives for the actual pages for our ancestors in the 1783 census using the index as a guide....is that true? Thanks for the interesting discussion. Liz

Exactly. The assessments reflected the special interests du jour, with as much or as little sense as tax laws today. Just for reference, the 1783 Somerset-collected categories were those following. Comparing to those I showed the other day for Worcester, we see that the So assessors were locally instructed to be more thorough on nature and quality of the land, but that the other basic statistical tallies came down the same from above: Another important point overlooked by almost everybody is the utility of these lists as a census, certainly better (with all the other detail), than, say, the early Federal censuses (especially the missing one in Somerset). John Somerset-tabulated categories (* = not in Worcester tabulations) Taxpayer Names of Lands Acres Original Grant * Acres * If Resurvey * If Escheat * Surplus * Deficiency * Improvements * Situation * General Quality of the Soil * Quantity of Arable Land * Quantity of Wood Land * Quantity of Meadow * Value of Land Slaves Males, Females under 8 / Value Males, Females 8 -14 / Value Males 14-45 /Value Females 14-36 /Value Males 45+, Females 36+ / Value Plate Ounces / Value Horses Black Cattle Value Value of other Property Total Amount Assessment thereon White Inhabitants Male Female ___________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Dave & Jane Kearney <[email protected]> It would be interesting to know how static the "tax list" of taxable items was ... for instance, was the item, "black cattle," on the list for 100 years, or did the list change significantly over time? (Don't laugh or chortle, but when I first read the list as posted here on the list, I thought that perhaps "black cattle" was a garbled line accidentally put together from two lines, one referring to bovine cattle, and another one for those of our ancestors who were treated as human cattle of the day.) One can imagine that the specific items to be tax tablulated at any given point in time might have been influenced by many of the same sorts of sometimes seemingly mysterious forces that shape modern tax policy. Why are some things taxed and others not? Whose ox (or black cow) was being gored in the days of yore presumably was the result of the political process, with outcomes that probably usually made good sense to the government, if not all the time to the taxees.

> This is a useful tidbit. How do we know it? Again, though, one > wonders why other livestock, whether edible or otherwise useful, would > not be tabulated, particularly as inventories always indicate > (naturally) that these all had significant value. Why would the tax > man be instructed to ignore them? The "silver plate" rundown called > for in these assessments had far fewer actual entries than we'd expect > to see for hogs, sheep, dairy cattle and oxen. ___________________________ It would be interesting to know how static the "tax list" of taxable items was ... for instance, was the item, "black cattle," on the list for 100 years, or did the list change significantly over time? (Don't laugh or chortle, but when I first read the list as posted here on the list, I thought that perhaps "black cattle" was a garbled line accidentally put together from two lines, one referring to bovine cattle, and another one for those of our ancestors who were treated as human cattle of the day.) One can imagine that the specific items to be tax tablulated at any given point in time might have been influenced by many of the same sorts of sometimes seemingly mysterious forces that shape modern tax policy. Why are some things taxed and others not? Whose ox (or black cow) was being gored in the days of yore presumably was the result of the political process, with outcomes that probably usually made good sense to the government, if not all the time to the taxees. Dave K

This is a useful tidbit. How do we know it? Again, though, one wonders why other livestock, whether edible or otherwise useful, would not be tabulated, particularly as inventories always indicate (naturally) that these all had significant value. Why would the tax man be instructed to ignore them? The "silver plate" rundown called for in these assessments had far fewer actual entries than we'd expect to see for hogs, sheep, dairy cattle and oxen. John -----Original Message----- From: E Johnson <[email protected]> Black cattle were beef cattle --those raised for their meat, as opposed to dairy cattle, or working cattle (oxen).

Sometimes, in an assortment of places, one can find that so and so registered a cattle mark, occasionally with a description of said mark, but these usually seem to have involved slits in ears. For myself, I have never come across a description of brands. Interesting topic. Elizabeth In a message dated 7/7/2010 10:38:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: This sounds like a great place to slide tghis question in. Is there anyplace that has information on brands in colobnial times? We're trying to deterine if the James KNOTT b 1602 was our ancestor. My cousin in Oregon has (I think) our g-grandfathers branding iron from the KNOTTS/OWENS farm near Corvallis OR. Settled in abt 1847-48. Our g-grandfather was William KNOTTS, b 1805 in Queen Annes co. MD. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. > There was no gatekeeper preventing tract names being used again and > again. There were over 60 different patents titled HOG QUARTER (often > spelled then as HOGG ...) spread across Somerset, Worcester and > Wicomico, and a few now in Sussex. As I said in my earlier post, over > a third of these were in what's now Worcester. The most common tract > name, though, was just plain CHANCE, which seems to have been used 155 > times ... This is the sort of thing which can confuse things mightily > for researchers. One of the characteristic problems in Ruth Dryden's > published volumes is her assignment of deeds in title histories to the > wrong tract of the same name. Using that data carelessly has led many > people to barking up the wrong HOG QUARTER, or CHANCE, or whatever. > > Black cattle were among the Somerset 1783 collected stats, too. > Googling a bit, one finds that black Angus also became prized, but it > seems that was a little later breeding development. One wonders if > "black cattle" was somehow a more general term of agricultural art, > applied to "the best", whatever their breed, but this is beyond my pay > grade. I've always wondered about these assessment categories, with > questions like "What about sheep and hogs and oxen?" There was surely > method behind the particular madness of the chosen assets, and only > those. > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michelle Burris Kenerly <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 4:55 pm > Subject: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. > > > Members: > I have read with great interest your postings of property listed > as HOG > Quarters and HOGG Quarters. It appears that this may have been several > acres and > or passed down to a lot of different folks. > My ancestral records show that my GGGGG Grandfather Sothey KING > bought land > listed as HOGG Quarters on March 18, 1776. The deed showed that he was > living > in Worcester Co., MD at the time. He may have even lost the land later. > Actually, I'm not trying to get into the mix of things, just > thought it > interesting that so many people had ownership of this named property. > Regards, > Michelle > > > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John.... Very interesting and thank you very much for your input ....makes perfect sense to me now. Michelle ...... ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. > There were also HOG YARDs, HOG RANGEs, HOG PENs, etc., not to mention > COW QUARTERs, COW PASTUREs, and so on. These names may have had > purpose for the original grantee involving where their animals grazed > or foraged or whatever, but as time went on, the land partitioned and > sold, later owners did whatever they did with their land. The original > naming of the property became just a fossil curiosity. There were a > lot of pigs, raised for only one reason, which is why a lot of tracts > ended up with porcine names. There were even a gaggle of tracts with > names like BACON QUARTER. Very few tract names involving sheep, though. > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:44 pm > Subject: Re: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. > > > Possibly that was the area in which pigs were kept. And, since many > people had pigs, there would naturally be a lot of places called that. > At any > rate, it sounds logical. > > Elizabeth > > > In a message dated 7/7/2010 7:40:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > John, > I assumed that once someone named their property, such as HOGG > Quarters, that it was more or less consider like a patent. Now I see > that > I > was wrong. Now, one does wonder how the early settlers ever came up > with > such a name. ;) > Michelle > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:40 PM > Subject: Re: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. > > >> There was no gatekeeper preventing tract names being used again and >> again. There were over 60 different patents titled HOG QUARTER > (often >> spelled then as HOGG ...) spread across Somerset, Worcester and >> Wicomico, and a few now in Sussex. As I said in my earlier post, > over >> a third of these were in what's now Worcester. The most common > tract >> name, though, was just plain CHANCE, which seems to have been used > 155 >> times ... This is the sort of thing which can confuse things mightily >> for researchers. One of the characteristic problems in Ruth Dryden's >> published volumes is her assignment of deeds in title histories to > the >> wrong tract of the same name. Using that data carelessly has led > many >> people to barking up the wrong HOG QUARTER, or CHANCE, or whatever. >> >> Black cattle were among the Somerset 1783 collected stats, too. >> Googling a bit, one finds that black Angus also became prized, but it >> seems that was a little later breeding development. One wonders if >> "black cattle" was somehow a more general term of agricultural art, >> applied to "the best", whatever their breed, but this is beyond my > pay >> grade. I've always wondered about these assessment categories, with >> questions like "What about sheep and hogs and oxen?" There was > surely >> method behind the particular madness of the chosen assets, and only >> those. >> >> John >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michelle Burris Kenerly <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 4:55 pm >> Subject: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. >> >> >> Members: >> I have read with great interest your postings of property listed >> as HOG >> Quarters and HOGG Quarters. It appears that this may have been > several >> acres and >> or passed down to a lot of different folks. >> My ancestral records show that my GGGGG Grandfather Sothey KING >> bought land >> listed as HOGG Quarters on March 18, 1776. The deed showed that he > was >> living >> in Worcester Co., MD at the time. He may have even lost the land > later. >> Actually, I'm not trying to get into the mix of things, just >> thought it >> interesting that so many people had ownership of this named > property. >> Regards, >> Michelle >> >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of >> the message >> >> *************************************** >> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Black cattle were beef cattle --those raised for their meat, as opposed to dairy cattle, or working cattle (oxen). Liz J On 7 July 2010 13:58, <[email protected]> wrote: > What was so special about black cows? > > Elizabeth >

There were also HOG YARDs, HOG RANGEs, HOG PENs, etc., not to mention COW QUARTERs, COW PASTUREs, and so on. These names may have had purpose for the original grantee involving where their animals grazed or foraged or whatever, but as time went on, the land partitioned and sold, later owners did whatever they did with their land. The original naming of the property became just a fossil curiosity. There were a lot of pigs, raised for only one reason, which is why a lot of tracts ended up with porcine names. There were even a gaggle of tracts with names like BACON QUARTER. Very few tract names involving sheep, though. John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:44 pm Subject: Re: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. Possibly that was the area in which pigs were kept. And, since many people had pigs, there would naturally be a lot of places called that. At any rate, it sounds logical. Elizabeth In a message dated 7/7/2010 7:40:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: John, I assumed that once someone named their property, such as HOGG Quarters, that it was more or less consider like a patent. Now I see that I was wrong. Now, one does wonder how the early settlers ever came up with such a name. ;) Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. > There was no gatekeeper preventing tract names being used again and > again. There were over 60 different patents titled HOG QUARTER (often > spelled then as HOGG ...) spread across Somerset, Worcester and > Wicomico, and a few now in Sussex. As I said in my earlier post, over > a third of these were in what's now Worcester. The most common tract > name, though, was just plain CHANCE, which seems to have been used 155 > times ... This is the sort of thing which can confuse things mightily > for researchers. One of the characteristic problems in Ruth Dryden's > published volumes is her assignment of deeds in title histories to the > wrong tract of the same name. Using that data carelessly has led many > people to barking up the wrong HOG QUARTER, or CHANCE, or whatever. > > Black cattle were among the Somerset 1783 collected stats, too. > Googling a bit, one finds that black Angus also became prized, but it > seems that was a little later breeding development. One wonders if > "black cattle" was somehow a more general term of agricultural art, > applied to "the best", whatever their breed, but this is beyond my pay > grade. I've always wondered about these assessment categories, with > questions like "What about sheep and hogs and oxen?" There was surely > method behind the particular madness of the chosen assets, and only > those. > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michelle Burris Kenerly <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 4:55 pm > Subject: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. > > > Members: > I have read with great interest your postings of property listed > as HOG > Quarters and HOGG Quarters. It appears that this may have been several > acres and > or passed down to a lot of different folks. > My ancestral records show that my GGGGG Grandfather Sothey KING > bought land > listed as HOGG Quarters on March 18, 1776. The deed showed that he was > living > in Worcester Co., MD at the time. He may have even lost the land later. > Actually, I'm not trying to get into the mix of things, just > thought it > interesting that so many people had ownership of this named property. > Regards, > Michelle > > > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? 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Possibly that was the area in which pigs were kept. And, since many people had pigs, there would naturally be a lot of places called that. At any rate, it sounds logical. Elizabeth In a message dated 7/7/2010 7:40:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: John, I assumed that once someone named their property, such as HOGG Quarters, that it was more or less consider like a patent. Now I see that I was wrong. Now, one does wonder how the early settlers ever came up with such a name. ;) Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. > There was no gatekeeper preventing tract names being used again and > again. There were over 60 different patents titled HOG QUARTER (often > spelled then as HOGG ...) spread across Somerset, Worcester and > Wicomico, and a few now in Sussex. As I said in my earlier post, over > a third of these were in what's now Worcester. The most common tract > name, though, was just plain CHANCE, which seems to have been used 155 > times ... This is the sort of thing which can confuse things mightily > for researchers. One of the characteristic problems in Ruth Dryden's > published volumes is her assignment of deeds in title histories to the > wrong tract of the same name. Using that data carelessly has led many > people to barking up the wrong HOG QUARTER, or CHANCE, or whatever. > > Black cattle were among the Somerset 1783 collected stats, too. > Googling a bit, one finds that black Angus also became prized, but it > seems that was a little later breeding development. One wonders if > "black cattle" was somehow a more general term of agricultural art, > applied to "the best", whatever their breed, but this is beyond my pay > grade. I've always wondered about these assessment categories, with > questions like "What about sheep and hogs and oxen?" There was surely > method behind the particular madness of the chosen assets, and only > those. > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michelle Burris Kenerly <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 4:55 pm > Subject: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. > > > Members: > I have read with great interest your postings of property listed > as HOG > Quarters and HOGG Quarters. It appears that this may have been several > acres and > or passed down to a lot of different folks. > My ancestral records show that my GGGGG Grandfather Sothey KING > bought land > listed as HOGG Quarters on March 18, 1776. The deed showed that he was > living > in Worcester Co., MD at the time. He may have even lost the land later. > Actually, I'm not trying to get into the mix of things, just > thought it > interesting that so many people had ownership of this named property. > Regards, > Michelle > > > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, I assumed that once someone named their property, such as HOGG Quarters, that it was more or less consider like a patent. Now I see that I was wrong. Now, one does wonder how the early settlers ever came up with such a name. ;) Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. > There was no gatekeeper preventing tract names being used again and > again. There were over 60 different patents titled HOG QUARTER (often > spelled then as HOGG ...) spread across Somerset, Worcester and > Wicomico, and a few now in Sussex. As I said in my earlier post, over > a third of these were in what's now Worcester. The most common tract > name, though, was just plain CHANCE, which seems to have been used 155 > times ... This is the sort of thing which can confuse things mightily > for researchers. One of the characteristic problems in Ruth Dryden's > published volumes is her assignment of deeds in title histories to the > wrong tract of the same name. Using that data carelessly has led many > people to barking up the wrong HOG QUARTER, or CHANCE, or whatever. > > Black cattle were among the Somerset 1783 collected stats, too. > Googling a bit, one finds that black Angus also became prized, but it > seems that was a little later breeding development. One wonders if > "black cattle" was somehow a more general term of agricultural art, > applied to "the best", whatever their breed, but this is beyond my pay > grade. I've always wondered about these assessment categories, with > questions like "What about sheep and hogs and oxen?" There was surely > method behind the particular madness of the chosen assets, and only > those. > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michelle Burris Kenerly <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 4:55 pm > Subject: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. > > > Members: > I have read with great interest your postings of property listed > as HOG > Quarters and HOGG Quarters. It appears that this may have been several > acres and > or passed down to a lot of different folks. > My ancestral records show that my GGGGG Grandfather Sothey KING > bought land > listed as HOGG Quarters on March 18, 1776. The deed showed that he was > living > in Worcester Co., MD at the time. He may have even lost the land later. > Actually, I'm not trying to get into the mix of things, just > thought it > interesting that so many people had ownership of this named property. > Regards, > Michelle > > > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This sounds like a great place to slide tghis question in. Is there anyplace that has information on brands in colobnial times? We're trying to deterine if the James KNOTT b 1602 was our ancestor. My cousin in Oregon has (I think) our g-grandfathers branding iron from the KNOTTS/OWENS farm near Corvallis OR. Settled in abt 1847-48. Our g-grandfather was William KNOTTS, b 1805 in Queen Annes co. MD. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. > There was no gatekeeper preventing tract names being used again and > again. There were over 60 different patents titled HOG QUARTER (often > spelled then as HOGG ...) spread across Somerset, Worcester and > Wicomico, and a few now in Sussex. As I said in my earlier post, over > a third of these were in what's now Worcester. The most common tract > name, though, was just plain CHANCE, which seems to have been used 155 > times ... This is the sort of thing which can confuse things mightily > for researchers. One of the characteristic problems in Ruth Dryden's > published volumes is her assignment of deeds in title histories to the > wrong tract of the same name. Using that data carelessly has led many > people to barking up the wrong HOG QUARTER, or CHANCE, or whatever. > > Black cattle were among the Somerset 1783 collected stats, too. > Googling a bit, one finds that black Angus also became prized, but it > seems that was a little later breeding development. One wonders if > "black cattle" was somehow a more general term of agricultural art, > applied to "the best", whatever their breed, but this is beyond my pay > grade. I've always wondered about these assessment categories, with > questions like "What about sheep and hogs and oxen?" There was surely > method behind the particular madness of the chosen assets, and only > those. > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michelle Burris Kenerly <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 4:55 pm > Subject: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. > > > Members: > I have read with great interest your postings of property listed > as HOG > Quarters and HOGG Quarters. It appears that this may have been several > acres and > or passed down to a lot of different folks. > My ancestral records show that my GGGGG Grandfather Sothey KING > bought land > listed as HOGG Quarters on March 18, 1776. The deed showed that he was > living > in Worcester Co., MD at the time. He may have even lost the land later. > Actually, I'm not trying to get into the mix of things, just > thought it > interesting that so many people had ownership of this named property. > Regards, > Michelle > > > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There was no gatekeeper preventing tract names being used again and again. There were over 60 different patents titled HOG QUARTER (often spelled then as HOGG ...) spread across Somerset, Worcester and Wicomico, and a few now in Sussex. As I said in my earlier post, over a third of these were in what's now Worcester. The most common tract name, though, was just plain CHANCE, which seems to have been used 155 times ... This is the sort of thing which can confuse things mightily for researchers. One of the characteristic problems in Ruth Dryden's published volumes is her assignment of deeds in title histories to the wrong tract of the same name. Using that data carelessly has led many people to barking up the wrong HOG QUARTER, or CHANCE, or whatever. Black cattle were among the Somerset 1783 collected stats, too. Googling a bit, one finds that black Angus also became prized, but it seems that was a little later breeding development. One wonders if "black cattle" was somehow a more general term of agricultural art, applied to "the best", whatever their breed, but this is beyond my pay grade. I've always wondered about these assessment categories, with questions like "What about sheep and hogs and oxen?" There was surely method behind the particular madness of the chosen assets, and only those. John -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Burris Kenerly <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 4:55 pm Subject: [LDR] HOGG Quarters..listings. Members: I have read with great interest your postings of property listed as HOG Quarters and HOGG Quarters. It appears that this may have been several acres and or passed down to a lot of different folks. My ancestral records show that my GGGGG Grandfather Sothey KING bought land listed as HOGG Quarters on March 18, 1776. The deed showed that he was living in Worcester Co., MD at the time. He may have even lost the land later. Actually, I'm not trying to get into the mix of things, just thought it interesting that so many people had ownership of this named property. Regards, Michelle *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message