Clare wrote >Elizabeth City Co. (VA) Court, 24 March 1845 issued Exchange Warrant 522 to Solomon Russell, Robert Russell, William P. Russell and Betsey Russell. These warrants were issued in exchange of 7250. Recorded Book 3, Page 516, Va. L. Off.< I don't know how the Elizabeth City Court could issue an Exchange Warrant unless it were intended for use within Elizabeth City. "in exchange of 7250"--??? was this the number of the original Land Warrant issued to (or supposed to be issued to) Bonwell? A Land Warrant was authorization for a surveyor to lay out a pretty specific acreage of land within a specified jurisdiction under control of the issuing authority. An exchange warrant was issued when there was some impediment to timely use of the original Land Warrant, such as loss by fire, death, etc. There were usually time limits within which the land should be claimed and settled. Was Bonwell's service in the War of 1812? I know some Arkansas land was set aside for redemption of War of 1812 Bounty Land, but am not sure where else VA's land warrants were to be used. In any event, the Land Warrants were not for specific parcels (except for much earlier ones issued "in right of settlement" and their collateral pre-emption warrants). Usually the persons issued such Warrants sold them, often to speculators who would collect a bunch and then use them in a group to claim a large enough parcel of land to make the travel to claim far-off land, have it surveyed, pay the surveyor, and then pay a sum per acre to have the Grant issued by the Land Office. Often when the Warrants were sold, a simple assignment was written and signed on the back of the Warrant document itself. In your case, there might be a deed selling the Warrant recorded in Elizabeth City Deeds. This would also be the place to look for any land owned by the Russells and sold by them. Wish I could come up with something more definitive, but hope this helps. Further queries on a message board or Mailing List for Elizabeth City might prompt some real assistance. Good hunting, Judy</HTML>

Elizabeth City Co. (VA) Court, 24 March 1845 issued Exchange Warrant 522 to Solomon Russell, Robert Russell, William P. Russell and Betsey Russell. These warrants were issued in exchange of 7250. Recorded Book 3, Page 516, Va. L. Off. There were several other Exchange warrants to others. This is in regard to a settlement for the service of Thomas Bonwell who was a Master for three years in the Va State navy. How can I find out what William P. Russell received? Did he get land? If I send for the info on page 516 will I get information other than names? I'm confused with this. Thanks for any help. Clare

If anyone knows how to contact Carroll J. Collins. I would appreciate it if you would ask him to contact me. I recently found some information I wanted to share with him. I tried to e-mail him at his old address but it bounced back. Thanks, Sylvia

Yikes! Baltimore 100 yes! Thanks for the correction. Liz p.s. land location impaired ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:49:18 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] In this case, the tax lists are helpful since there is not a single James Smith in the tax lists for Bogerternorton through 1740 or Baltimore 100 for that matter.. There is however a likely John Smith in Bogerternorton . I agree, I am calling this one for JOHN Smith! _____ Eh? The John Smith of the will certainly appears in Baltimore Hundred, e.g. in 1739, household 1, as "Capt. John Smith". All his land was in Baltimore [and now-Sussex] NE of Assawoman Bay, on Inlet Creek (alias Turkey Branch). It would also seem that his son John is there in 1740, where he's supposed to be. Of course, afterwards this area was no longer covered by the Somerset lists. John *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

MD. Somerset Co. Inventories (1688-1742) and Accounts (1667-1719), abstracted by Leslie & Neil Keddie p48 F 294-5 *estate of Capt. John Smith*28May 1740 Inventory by John Rickards and John Miller; Kin: Wm Smith and Elizabeth Smith, Sworn to by John Smith Jr. Smith, John, planter,Somerset Co.,20th Dec., 1732 - 6th June, 1733. To bro. William, his dau. Easter, 3 children of sister Elis. by Edward Hammond viz.: Martha, Leah and Betty and bros. George and Andrew (by father's last wife), personalty. To wife Mary extx. residue of personal estate. Test: Robert Jenkins Henry, Adam Bell, John Henry. 20. 690. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:28 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Yikes! Baltimore 100 yes! Thanks for the correction. Liz p.s. land > location impaired > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:49:18 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > > In this case, the tax lists are helpful since there is not a single > James Smith > in the tax lists for Bogerternorton through 1740 or Baltimore 100 for > that > matter.. There is however a likely John Smith in Bogerternorton . I > agree, I am > calling this one for JOHN Smith! > > _____ > > Eh? The John Smith of the will certainly appears in Baltimore Hundred, > e.g. in 1739, household 1, as "Capt. John Smith". All his land was in > Baltimore [and now-Sussex] NE of Assawoman Bay, on Inlet Creek (alias > Turkey Branch). > > It would also seem that his son John is there in 1740, where he's > supposed to be. Of course, afterwards this area was no longer covered > by the Somerset lists. > > John > > > Marjorie "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] In this case, the tax lists are helpful since there is not a single James Smith in the tax lists for Bogerternorton through 1740 or Baltimore 100 for that matter.. There is however a likely John Smith in Bogerternorton . I agree, I am calling this one for JOHN Smith! _____ Eh? The John Smith of the will certainly appears in Baltimore Hundred, e.g. in 1739, household 1, as "Capt. John Smith". All his land was in Baltimore [and now-Sussex] NE of Assawoman Bay, on Inlet Creek (alias Turkey Branch). It would also seem that his son John is there in 1740, where he's supposed to be. Of course, afterwards this area was no longer covered by the Somerset lists. John

Hello All, John Goddard was born 10 May 1683 in Somerset Co, MD, a son of George Goddard and Judith Goodin. He died 1765, also in Somerset county. His will is found on record there. His wife was Sarah _____. Does anyone know her maiden name? Could it possibly be Lane? Is anyone working the Lane family who has a Goddard connection? John and Sarah had a son named Francis Lane Goddard who died 1794 in Sussex Co, DE. A search at Ancestry.com lists John Goddard's wife's name as Sarah Hayes. However, no one seems to be able to give me a Source for that information. Any help appreciated. Linda Goddard Stout

Marjorie - I can only refer you to the will, the tax lists and the land records to sort this out. liz ----- Original Message ----- From: marjorie adams <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:09:56 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example Thanks Liz Elizabeth Innis dau of Wm who was son of Wm and Percis? I think her father's brother Cornelius m Elizabeth of Edward Smith whom I referred to earlier. Wm's bro Samuel m Mary of Edward and Wm'is sister Percis m Edward Smith Jr. John m Joyce > James and John You think John (jr) m Eliz innis? James m Merrium >John and James How do we know it is not this John? I am still trying to answer my own question. There was also a John Smith d 1733 Somerset. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 4:22 PM, wrote: > thanks Marjorie yes that appears now to be the correct John Smith descended > from John and Joyce. I have no absolute evidence that the Elizabeth is the > wife of John but I think we have proven pretty clearly that there is no > James Smith in Bog. 100 in the tax lists up to 1740 and there is a John > Smith. Also the probate accounts list his name as John. Since both John > and Elizabeth name some of the same people in their wills I think it is > pretty clear they were married to each other and the children were her step > children from two marriages. Elizabeth is by the way Elizabeth Innis, only > heir of William Innis. She married first Edward Bowen d. 1720 then Joseph > Atkins d. 1722 and then John Bishop d? and then finally John Smith, d. 1740. > My interest in this whole thing has to do with Edward Bowen. Elizabeth was > apparently the second wife of John Smith, whose first wife is said to be > Bridget Cord. I haven't done the work on that so I can't confirm. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: marjorie adams > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:38:00 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example > > Yes, zillions of John Smiths. If I have connected the wrong ones, I hope > you > will let me know. Maybe these wills will help. > > BTW, what is your evidence that Eliz, (widow of John) will 1743 was the > same > Eliz as the Eliz wife of James w 1740? > > The Accomack will date in my first message was obviously wrong=1777/78. > Will of John Smith Taylor (sic=tailor) 27 Oct 1677-19 Feb 1677 > To eldest son, George Smith 200 A. where I now live, reversion to his > brothers. Wife Joyce. To son James 150 A.adj. George's land. To son John > 150 > A. adj land of his bro. James, reversion to my youngest son Thomas. To dau. > Ann Hammon. Son in law Edward Hamon [sic]. To my 5 youngest children, > James, John, Thomas, Director & Joyce. Son in law Thomas Savage. To John > Tomson & his wife Rebecca. John Tomson, George Smith & Thomas Savage > overseers over my above named children. Sons to be at age at 18 & daus. at > 15. Witt. John Booth, Alexander Addison. - p. 8 Nottingham (p85) Will & > Deeds 1676 - 1690 (vi) > > a Joyce was in lower Accomack -see www.ghotes (Jim Lokenbauer's map) as > well > as a John and a James all A9 > > Liber 6 p34-35 transcription by Mike Hilton 3/09 LDR > The deposition of Thomas Smith aged about forty years & of Denham Olanman > aged about sixty-one years the said deponents both say that being at the > house of James Smith decd. the said Thomas Smith being there accidently & > the said Denham Olanman being sent for to witness what the said *James > Smith > * hath to declare as his mind & will before his death concerning his Estate > the said James Smith lying then on his death bed sick & weak of body did > disclose that he *left his land & plantation to his sons James & John* to > be divided equally between them in Moiety & that the said James & John & > another son by name George shall all be at age when arrived to the year of > 18. This the said deponents do affirm that the said James Smith desired > them > boith to bear witness unto & further saith not. Thomas Smith, Denham his A > mark Olanman. > Memorandum. That upon the 15th day of March 1692/3 came personally before > me > the two deponents above named & subscribers hereof & made oath upon the > holy > Evangilest [Bible] to the truth of all above written. > Witness my hand. Samuel Hopkins > Somerset County. Memorandum. That upon the probate made of the within > written & at the request of* Meriam Smith relict* of the within named James > Smith Letter of Administration granted the said Meriam & she swore her oath > of administratorship the 15th day of March before me. Samuel Hopkins > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:43 PM, wrote: > > > here's the problem. There were a zillion John Smiths! At this point I > > have only begun researching him and can not say whose son he is. i don't > > have any land records in my possession and have to use other means to > > determine father and if worst comes to worst I have to use the online > land > > records to see if they help. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: marjorie adams > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:23:40 -0000 (UTC) > > Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example > > > > Liz and Elizabeth, I was not following the beginning of this thread so > you > > may have mentioned this before. James and John Smith were sons of James > > Smith d 1692 and married to Merium; his mother was Joyce m John Smith, > will > > Accomack 1977/78. I vote for Elizabeth's idea that perhaps Elizabeth, as > > widow Smith, m John after his brother James died--not an infrequent > > happening. > > > > {I have done only a little research on Smiths because of connections to > > Samuel Showell and the names Joyce and Merium, wives of Smiths, that were > > used in my LONG/LOCKWOOD family in the 1750s.} > > > > There was also an Edward Smith will 1687 Som. m Ann Showell will 1688 > Som., > > the sister of Samuel Showell. They had a son Armwell, a name which shows > > up,first uniquely I think, in the below-mentioned connected families. I > > have theorized that it was at first a surname in England in the Showell > > line > > that was then used as a given name by the Smith, Vigerous, Lockwood and > > Long > > families in the Colonies. After Armwell Long who was a locally famous Col > > in > > the War of 1812 in Sussex DE, it became somewhat widely used in Sussex. > > > > I really do research things other than names! > > Do you have a connection between James Smith and Edward, or do you have > > later Smiths in the James or John Smith line? > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:07 AM, wrote: > > > > > I did not know how to explain the below contradiction in the name of > the > > > husband of Elizabeth Smith. > > > > > > I can not understand why it is widow of John when it appears his name > was > > > James LOL. > > > > > > Smith, James, Sr.,Somerset Co.,23rd Mar., 1739-40; > > > 27th Apr., 1740. > > > To son John, ex., and hrs., 350 A. “Cow Quarter”, 200 A. “Isleington” > 430 > > > A. “Cords Lott”. > > > To daus. Sarah, Bridgett, Diligents and Comfort and sons Charles and > > > William, personalty. > > > To wife Elizabeth, 1/3 estate. > > > Test: Thomas Purkins, Race Clark, Samuel Showell. > > > 22. 172. > -- Marjorie "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone help me understand what is happening with the land mentioned below? Burrell Drummond died intestate in 1791 and had lands inherited from his father, Stephen Drummond; Burrell's widow, Naomi (Selby) Drummond remarried in 1794 and was widowed again by 1797. I'm wondering if their son, Parker Drummond b. 1791 and only son, ever received his inheritance. He and his sisters, Elizabeth "Betsy" and Mary Alice "Polly" were in Bourbon Co, KY by 1807. No idea what happened to Naomi after 1799. Burrell's sisters were Esther, Peggy, Nancy, Rose (or one person, "Nancy Rose") and Elizabeth Drummond, who stayed in Worcester Co. Not sure who "Kitty Drummond" is -- another sister of Burrell's ? Eleanor << Worcester Co, MD Land Records Book R, p. 659 Bond of Obligation; 28 Dec 1792  filed 8 Sep 1797 Elget Ruark and Peggy*, his wife, Kitty Drummond and Rosey are bound unto Naomi Drummond and Parker Drummond and Polly and Elizabeth Drummond for the sum of 300 pounds to be paid to the said Naomi, Parker, Polly and Elizabeth Drummond. The condition of this obligation is such that if the above bound will make over a deed to all the lands that formerly belonged to Stephen Drummond (now deceased) that is on the east side of the County road that leades from Snow Hill to Salisbury on Turner's Branch on Nassawango Creek upon the arrival of Parker Drummond at the age of twenty-one. If Naomi marries again, she may possess the said land until Parker is of age and if she does not marry, she may possess the land for her lifetime. <*note: "Peggy" was a mistake by the recording clerk as Esther Drummond, daughter of Naomi & Burrell, was the sister married to Ruark -- she is correctly recorded later, below> Book T, p 390 Grantor: Elijah Tilghman; Grantee: Elgett Ruark 11 Nov 1799  recorded 13 Nov 1799 For 12 pounds tract called Turner Choice that Stephen Drummond ("the father of Elizabeth") died seized of. This being on the west side of Nasswango Creek and 1/4 mile from the Nassawango. Book T, p 392 Bond of Obligation 5 Sep 1799; recorded 11 Nov 1799 Neomie Moore bound unto Elgate Ruark for the sum of 100 pounds. The condition of this obligation if that Neomie makes over her right, title, and interest to lands which she now has in her possession from a bond to her from Elgat Ruark and wife, Esther Drummond, and --- Drummond unti lher son, Parker Drummond arrives to full age. <same page> Know all Men by them presents that I Neomie Moore of Worcester County ad State of Maryland; am held and firmly bound with Elgate Ruark of the County and State of <Maryland> in the full and just sum of one hundred pounds current money of Maryland which payment will and truly to be made and done I bind myself and heirs executors administrators family by their presents sealed with my seal and dated this 5th day of September Annis Dom seventeen hundred and ninety seven. This condition of the above obligation is such that if the above Neomie Moor her heirs executors or administrators, do make over and -- unto the above named Elgate Ruark, all her rights, title claim and interest, of and unto of certain lands which she is now in possession of in right of a Bond to her from Elget Ruark & wife Esther Drummond & Nancy Drummond for the peacable possession of said land and appurtanences thereto belonging until her Son Parker Drummond arrives to the full age of twenty one years which said lands and premises. The said Neomie Moore, no here unto the said Elget Ruark his heirs executors Administrators or asigns for the full < > as expressed in the above named Bond. In Mitriss whereof I have thereto set my hand and seal the day and year above written. <her mark> Neomi Moore <seal> >>

John Polk: This John Smith has come in really handy as a good example of the chaos! Amazing, I hadn't even gone to the cards yet which was going to be my next step after the tax lists. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Polk <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:31:23 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example To find out if an original will exists, i.e. the document actually signed by the testator, one has to go to MSA Index 1. This is now on line and can be accessed at http://www.msa.md.gov/megafile/msa/stagsere/se1/se4/000000/html/index.html It is a bit tedious to work through, especially for John and James Smith, because each "page" in the index is an image of one 3x5 card, each card being the reference to a single probate document. There are, for example, almost 12,000 cards just under surnames beginning with "S." To look for a particular document you have to search through the "pages" working progressively through surname, then given name, then record type (accounts, bonds, inventories, testamentary papers, wills), then county, and finally by date. If you get to a will and the notation "COUNTY" appears on the card then you know the original will is on file at MSA in the indicated box and folder number. I did this for John and James Smith and surprisingly found that there were no wills listed for either John or James Smith in Somerset in 1739-40, neither original nor transcribed versions. The closest I could find was an original will for a different John Smith, in Somerset in 1733, which is transcribed in Wills Vol. 20, p.690. So this is an example of a will that did not make it into MSA Index 1, which up to this point I had always thought was pretty reliable. It is found in the MD Calendar of Wills. John Polk ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 09:07 Subject: [LDR] Look at the original will - example >I did not know how to explain the below contradiction in the name of the >husband of Elizabeth Smith. (Keddie also refers to James Smith). This is >an example of the reason why we should check the original will whenever >possible. After a giant struggle with the Huntington site, I managed to >find Smith's will of 1739-40 below (vol. 22, folio 172). Voila - it said >very clearly I JOHN Smith, Sr. of Somerset County etc. Of course here's >the problem - was this copy on the Huntington site also a copy of an >original will and were Cotton and Keddie looking at an entirely different >copy. What a headache. > > Smith, Elizabeth, widow of John,All Hallows Parish, Somerset Co.,19th May, > 1742; > 10th March, 1742-3; > 17th March, 1742-3. > To cousin Sarah Patrick, dau.-in-law Sarah Hickman, and granddau. Bridget > Hickman, personalty. > To daus.-in-law Dillegane Rickard, Bridget Seasill, Tamer Day, Charity > Maisey, Anne Bell and Elizabeth Collins, residue of estate. > Exs.: Isaac Bell, John Rickard. > Test: John Miller, Charles Mooney, Abraham Lynch. > 23. 97. > I can not understand why it is widow of John when it appears his name was > James LOL. > > Smith, James, Sr.,Somerset Co.,23rd Mar., 1739-40; > 27th Apr., 1740. > To son John, ex., and hrs., 350 A. “Cow Quarter”, 200 A. “Isleington” 430 > A. “Cords Lott”. > To daus. Sarah, Bridgett, Diligents and Comfort and sons Charles and > William, personalty. > To wife Elizabeth, 1/3 estate. > Test: Thomas Purkins, Race Clark, Samuel Showell. > 22. 172. > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

thanks Marjorie yes that appears now to be the correct John Smith descended from John and Joyce. I have no absolute evidence that the Elizabeth is the wife of John but I think we have proven pretty clearly that there is no James Smith in Bog. 100 in the tax lists up to 1740 and there is a John Smith. Also the probate accounts list his name as John. Since both John and Elizabeth name some of the same people in their wills I think it is pretty clear they were married to each other and the children were her step children from two marriages. Elizabeth is by the way Elizabeth Innis, only heir of William Innis. She married first Edward Bowen d. 1720 then Joseph Atkins d. 1722 and then John Bishop d? and then finally John Smith, d. 1740. My interest in this whole thing has to do with Edward Bowen. Elizabeth was apparently the second wife of John Smith, whose first wife is said to be Bridget Cord. I haven't done the work on that so I can't confirm. ----- Original Message ----- From: marjorie adams <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:38:00 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example Yes, zillions of John Smiths. If I have connected the wrong ones, I hope you will let me know. Maybe these wills will help. BTW, what is your evidence that Eliz, (widow of John) will 1743 was the same Eliz as the Eliz wife of James w 1740? The Accomack will date in my first message was obviously wrong=1777/78. Will of John Smith Taylor (sic=tailor) 27 Oct 1677-19 Feb 1677 To eldest son, George Smith 200 A. where I now live, reversion to his brothers. Wife Joyce. To son James 150 A.adj. George's land. To son John 150 A. adj land of his bro. James, reversion to my youngest son Thomas. To dau. Ann Hammon. Son in law Edward Hamon [sic]. To my 5 youngest children, James, John, Thomas, Director & Joyce. Son in law Thomas Savage. To John Tomson & his wife Rebecca. John Tomson, George Smith & Thomas Savage overseers over my above named children. Sons to be at age at 18 & daus. at 15. Witt. John Booth, Alexander Addison. - p. 8 Nottingham (p85) Will & Deeds 1676 - 1690 (vi) a Joyce was in lower Accomack -see www.ghotes (Jim Lokenbauer's map) as well as a John and a James all A9 Liber 6 p34-35 transcription by Mike Hilton 3/09 LDR The deposition of Thomas Smith aged about forty years & of Denham Olanman aged about sixty-one years the said deponents both say that being at the house of James Smith decd. the said Thomas Smith being there accidently & the said Denham Olanman being sent for to witness what the said *James Smith * hath to declare as his mind & will before his death concerning his Estate the said James Smith lying then on his death bed sick & weak of body did disclose that he *left his land & plantation to his sons James & John* to be divided equally between them in Moiety & that the said James & John & another son by name George shall all be at age when arrived to the year of 18. This the said deponents do affirm that the said James Smith desired them boith to bear witness unto & further saith not. Thomas Smith, Denham his A mark Olanman. Memorandum. That upon the 15th day of March 1692/3 came personally before me the two deponents above named & subscribers hereof & made oath upon the holy Evangilest [Bible] to the truth of all above written. Witness my hand. Samuel Hopkins Somerset County. Memorandum. That upon the probate made of the within written & at the request of* Meriam Smith relict* of the within named James Smith Letter of Administration granted the said Meriam & she swore her oath of administratorship the 15th day of March before me. Samuel Hopkins On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:43 PM, wrote: > here's the problem. There were a zillion John Smiths! At this point I > have only begun researching him and can not say whose son he is. i don't > have any land records in my possession and have to use other means to > determine father and if worst comes to worst I have to use the online land > records to see if they help. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: marjorie adams > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:23:40 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example > > Liz and Elizabeth, I was not following the beginning of this thread so you > may have mentioned this before. James and John Smith were sons of James > Smith d 1692 and married to Merium; his mother was Joyce m John Smith, will > Accomack 1977/78. I vote for Elizabeth's idea that perhaps Elizabeth, as > widow Smith, m John after his brother James died--not an infrequent > happening. > > {I have done only a little research on Smiths because of connections to > Samuel Showell and the names Joyce and Merium, wives of Smiths, that were > used in my LONG/LOCKWOOD family in the 1750s.} > > There was also an Edward Smith will 1687 Som. m Ann Showell will 1688 Som., > the sister of Samuel Showell. They had a son Armwell, a name which shows > up,first uniquely I think, in the below-mentioned connected families. I > have theorized that it was at first a surname in England in the Showell > line > that was then used as a given name by the Smith, Vigerous, Lockwood and > Long > families in the Colonies. After Armwell Long who was a locally famous Col > in > the War of 1812 in Sussex DE, it became somewhat widely used in Sussex. > > I really do research things other than names! > Do you have a connection between James Smith and Edward, or do you have > later Smiths in the James or John Smith line? > > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:07 AM, wrote: > > > I did not know how to explain the below contradiction in the name of the > > husband of Elizabeth Smith. > > > > I can not understand why it is widow of John when it appears his name was > > James LOL. > > > > Smith, James, Sr.,Somerset Co.,23rd Mar., 1739-40; > > 27th Apr., 1740. > > To son John, ex., and hrs., 350 A. “Cow Quarter”, 200 A. “Isleington” 430 > > A. “Cords Lott”. > > To daus. Sarah, Bridgett, Diligents and Comfort and sons Charles and > > William, personalty. > > To wife Elizabeth, 1/3 estate. > > Test: Thomas Purkins, Race Clark, Samuel Showell. > > 22. 172. > > > -- > Marjorie > "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to > play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Marjorie "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? 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I think Elizabeth, widow of John Smith, was a second wife, and not the mother of at least some of John Smith's children. In her will, this Elizabeth, widow, refers to some of the same children John Smith mentions, and that the admin posted here earlier mentions, as daughters-in-law, which probably means step-daughters. This Elizabeth, widow, also mentions several other daughters-in-law (Tamer Day, Charity Maisey, Anne Bell and Elizabeth Collins), about whom I wonder if they may also be another set of Elizabeth's step-daughters, perhaps children of a previous husband of Elizabeth's. Again the wills and one admin, as posted here eatlier: Smith, James, Sr.,Somerset Co.,23rd Mar., 1739-40; 27th Apr., 1740. To son John, ex., and hrs., 350 A. “Cow Quarter”, 200 A. “Isleington” 430 A. “Cords Lott”. To daus. Sarah, Bridgett, Diligents and Comfort and sons Charles and William, personalty. To wife Elizabeth, 1/3 estate. Test: Thomas Purkins, Race Clark, Samuel Showell. 22. 172. In one account for John Smith in 1741 (Lib 18, f. 242), executor was John Smith and mentions there was another son Thomas, deceased, and legacies left to William Smith, Sarah Hickman alias Smith, Diligence Richards alias Smith, Bridgit Sasield (?) alias Smith, Comfort Smith, Charles Smith and the Accountant (John Smith). Smith, Elizabeth, widow of John, All Hallows Parish, Somerset Co.,19th May, 1742; 10th March, 1742-3; 17th March, 1742-3. To cousin Sarah Patrick, dau.-in-law Sarah Hickman, and granddau. Bridget Hickman, personalty. To daus.-in-law Dillegane Rickard, Bridget Seasill, Tamer Day, Charity Maisey, Anne Bell and Elizabeth Collins, residue of estate. Exs.: Isaac Bell, John Rickard. Test: John Miller, Charles Mooney, Abraham Lynch. 23. 97. So because of this abstract of Elizabeth's will, it doesn't look as if Diligence and Bridget Smith were her own children. Good luck, Liz J On 26 July 2010 17:49, <[email protected]> wrote: > Marjorie - I can only refer you to the will, the tax lists and the land > records to sort this out. liz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: marjorie adams <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:09:56 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example > > Thanks Liz > > Elizabeth Innis dau of Wm who was son of Wm and Percis? I think her > father's brother Cornelius m Elizabeth of Edward Smith whom I referred to > earlier. Wm's bro Samuel m Mary of Edward and Wm'is sister Percis m Edward > Smith Jr. > > John m Joyce > James and John > You think John (jr) m Eliz innis? > James m Merrium >John and James > How do we know it is not this John? > I am still trying to answer my own question. > > There was also a John Smith d 1733 Somerset. >

Thanks Liz Elizabeth Innis dau of Wm who was son of Wm and Percis? I think her father's brother Cornelius m Elizabeth of Edward Smith whom I referred to earlier. Wm's bro Samuel m Mary of Edward and Wm'is sister Percis m Edward Smith Jr. John m Joyce > James and John You think John (jr) m Eliz innis? James m Merrium >John and James How do we know it is not this John? I am still trying to answer my own question. There was also a John Smith d 1733 Somerset. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 4:22 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > thanks Marjorie yes that appears now to be the correct John Smith descended > from John and Joyce. I have no absolute evidence that the Elizabeth is the > wife of John but I think we have proven pretty clearly that there is no > James Smith in Bog. 100 in the tax lists up to 1740 and there is a John > Smith. Also the probate accounts list his name as John. Since both John > and Elizabeth name some of the same people in their wills I think it is > pretty clear they were married to each other and the children were her step > children from two marriages. Elizabeth is by the way Elizabeth Innis, only > heir of William Innis. She married first Edward Bowen d. 1720 then Joseph > Atkins d. 1722 and then John Bishop d? and then finally John Smith, d. 1740. > My interest in this whole thing has to do with Edward Bowen. Elizabeth was > apparently the second wife of John Smith, whose first wife is said to be > Bridget Cord. I haven't done the work on that so I can't confirm. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: marjorie adams <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:38:00 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example > > Yes, zillions of John Smiths. If I have connected the wrong ones, I hope > you > will let me know. Maybe these wills will help. > > BTW, what is your evidence that Eliz, (widow of John) will 1743 was the > same > Eliz as the Eliz wife of James w 1740? > > The Accomack will date in my first message was obviously wrong=1777/78. > Will of John Smith Taylor (sic=tailor) 27 Oct 1677-19 Feb 1677 > To eldest son, George Smith 200 A. where I now live, reversion to his > brothers. Wife Joyce. To son James 150 A.adj. George's land. To son John > 150 > A. adj land of his bro. James, reversion to my youngest son Thomas. To dau. > Ann Hammon. Son in law Edward Hamon [sic]. To my 5 youngest children, > James, John, Thomas, Director & Joyce. Son in law Thomas Savage. To John > Tomson & his wife Rebecca. John Tomson, George Smith & Thomas Savage > overseers over my above named children. Sons to be at age at 18 & daus. at > 15. Witt. John Booth, Alexander Addison. - p. 8 Nottingham (p85) Will & > Deeds 1676 - 1690 (vi) > > a Joyce was in lower Accomack -see www.ghotes (Jim Lokenbauer's map) as > well > as a John and a James all A9 > > Liber 6 p34-35 transcription by Mike Hilton 3/09 LDR > The deposition of Thomas Smith aged about forty years & of Denham Olanman > aged about sixty-one years the said deponents both say that being at the > house of James Smith decd. the said Thomas Smith being there accidently & > the said Denham Olanman being sent for to witness what the said *James > Smith > * hath to declare as his mind & will before his death concerning his Estate > the said James Smith lying then on his death bed sick & weak of body did > disclose that he *left his land & plantation to his sons James & John* to > be divided equally between them in Moiety & that the said James & John & > another son by name George shall all be at age when arrived to the year of > 18. This the said deponents do affirm that the said James Smith desired > them > boith to bear witness unto & further saith not. Thomas Smith, Denham his A > mark Olanman. > Memorandum. That upon the 15th day of March 1692/3 came personally before > me > the two deponents above named & subscribers hereof & made oath upon the > holy > Evangilest [Bible] to the truth of all above written. > Witness my hand. Samuel Hopkins > Somerset County. Memorandum. That upon the probate made of the within > written & at the request of* Meriam Smith relict* of the within named James > Smith Letter of Administration granted the said Meriam & she swore her oath > of administratorship the 15th day of March before me. Samuel Hopkins > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:43 PM, wrote: > > > here's the problem. There were a zillion John Smiths! At this point I > > have only begun researching him and can not say whose son he is. i don't > > have any land records in my possession and have to use other means to > > determine father and if worst comes to worst I have to use the online > land > > records to see if they help. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: marjorie adams > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:23:40 -0000 (UTC) > > Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example > > > > Liz and Elizabeth, I was not following the beginning of this thread so > you > > may have mentioned this before. James and John Smith were sons of James > > Smith d 1692 and married to Merium; his mother was Joyce m John Smith, > will > > Accomack 1977/78. I vote for Elizabeth's idea that perhaps Elizabeth, as > > widow Smith, m John after his brother James died--not an infrequent > > happening. > > > > {I have done only a little research on Smiths because of connections to > > Samuel Showell and the names Joyce and Merium, wives of Smiths, that were > > used in my LONG/LOCKWOOD family in the 1750s.} > > > > There was also an Edward Smith will 1687 Som. m Ann Showell will 1688 > Som., > > the sister of Samuel Showell. They had a son Armwell, a name which shows > > up,first uniquely I think, in the below-mentioned connected families. I > > have theorized that it was at first a surname in England in the Showell > > line > > that was then used as a given name by the Smith, Vigerous, Lockwood and > > Long > > families in the Colonies. After Armwell Long who was a locally famous Col > > in > > the War of 1812 in Sussex DE, it became somewhat widely used in Sussex. > > > > I really do research things other than names! > > Do you have a connection between James Smith and Edward, or do you have > > later Smiths in the James or John Smith line? > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:07 AM, wrote: > > > > > I did not know how to explain the below contradiction in the name of > the > > > husband of Elizabeth Smith. > > > > > > I can not understand why it is widow of John when it appears his name > was > > > James LOL. > > > > > > Smith, James, Sr.,Somerset Co.,23rd Mar., 1739-40; > > > 27th Apr., 1740. > > > To son John, ex., and hrs., 350 A. “Cow Quarter”, 200 A. “Isleington” > 430 > > > A. “Cords Lott”. > > > To daus. Sarah, Bridgett, Diligents and Comfort and sons Charles and > > > William, personalty. > > > To wife Elizabeth, 1/3 estate. > > > Test: Thomas Purkins, Race Clark, Samuel Showell. > > > 22. 172. > -- Marjorie "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

From Parker Todd's website: "Elizabeth was the widow of Joseph Atkins / Attkins (d. 1723) of Somerset County, Maryland. She had four step-daughters from Joseph Atkins; Thamer, Charity, Ann & Elizabeth Atkins. They are listed in her will of 19 May 1742 as "daughters-in-law" Tamer Day, Charity Maisey (Massey), Anne Bell, and Elizabeth Collins." On Jul 26, 2010, at 4:28 PM, E Johnson wrote: > I think Elizabeth, widow of John Smith, was a second wife, and not the > mother of at least some of John Smith's children. In her will, this > Elizabeth, widow, refers to some of the same children John Smith > mentions, > and that the admin posted here earlier mentions, as daughters-in- > law, which > probably means step-daughters. This Elizabeth, widow, also mentions > several > other daughters-in-law (Tamer Day, Charity Maisey, Anne Bell and > Elizabeth > Collins), about whom I wonder if they may also be another set of > Elizabeth's > step-daughters, perhaps children of a previous husband of Elizabeth's. > > Again the wills and one admin, as posted here eatlier: > > Smith, James, Sr.,Somerset Co.,23rd Mar., 1739-40; > 27th Apr., 1740. > To son John, ex., and hrs., 350 A. “Cow Quarter”, 200 A. > “Isleington” 430 A. > “Cords Lott”. > To daus. Sarah, Bridgett, Diligents and Comfort and sons Charles and > William, personalty. > To wife Elizabeth, 1/3 estate. > Test: Thomas Purkins, Race Clark, Samuel Showell. > 22. 172. > > In one account for John Smith in 1741 (Lib 18, f. 242), executor > was John > Smith and mentions there was another son Thomas, deceased, and > legacies left > to William Smith, Sarah Hickman alias Smith, Diligence Richards > alias Smith, > Bridgit Sasield (?) alias Smith, Comfort Smith, Charles Smith and the > Accountant (John Smith). > > Smith, Elizabeth, widow of John, All Hallows Parish, Somerset Co., > 19th May, > 1742; > 10th March, 1742-3; > 17th March, 1742-3. > To cousin Sarah Patrick, dau.-in-law Sarah Hickman, and granddau. > Bridget > Hickman, personalty. > To daus.-in-law Dillegane Rickard, Bridget Seasill, Tamer Day, Charity > Maisey, Anne Bell and Elizabeth Collins, residue of estate. > Exs.: Isaac Bell, John Rickard. > Test: John Miller, Charles Mooney, Abraham Lynch. > 23. 97. > > So because of this abstract of Elizabeth's will, it doesn't look as if > Diligence and Bridget Smith were her own children. > > Good luck, > Liz J > > > > On 26 July 2010 17:49, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Marjorie - I can only refer you to the will, the tax lists and the >> land >> records to sort this out. liz >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: marjorie adams <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:09:56 -0000 (UTC) >> Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example >> >> Thanks Liz >> >> Elizabeth Innis dau of Wm who was son of Wm and Percis? I think her >> father's brother Cornelius m Elizabeth of Edward Smith whom I >> referred to >> earlier. Wm's bro Samuel m Mary of Edward and Wm'is sister Percis >> m Edward >> Smith Jr. >> >> John m Joyce > James and John >> You think John (jr) m Eliz innis? >> James m Merrium >John and James >> How do we know it is not this John? >> I am still trying to answer my own question. >> >> There was also a John Smith d 1733 Somerset. >> > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

yes thanks I saw that and of course it said John not James which supports the idea that his name is John Smith. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Just <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:18:57 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example Did you get a chance to look at the inventories, accounts and balances associated with the probate at the Huntington Collection? They might furnish additional clues that can explain the relationships. I only had time to look up one account for John Smith in 1741 (Lib 18, f. 242), executor was John Smith and mentions there was another son Thomas, deceased, and legacies left to William Smith, Sarah Hickman alias Smith, Diligence Richards alias Smith, Bridgit Sasield (?) alias Smith, Comfort Smith, Charles Smith and the Accountant (John Smith). On Jul 26, 2010, at 6:07 AM, [email protected] wrote: > I did not know how to explain the below contradiction in the name > of the husband of Elizabeth Smith. (Keddie also refers to James > Smith). This is an example of the reason why we should check the > original will whenever possible. After a giant struggle with the > Huntington site, I managed to find Smith's will of 1739-40 below > (vol. 22, folio 172). Voila - it said very clearly I JOHN Smith, > Sr. of Somerset County etc. Of course here's the problem - was > this copy on the Huntington site also a copy of an original will > and were Cotton and Keddie looking at an entirely different copy. > What a headache. > > Smith, Elizabeth, widow of John,All Hallows Parish, Somerset Co., > 19th May, 1742; > 10th March, 1742-3; > 17th March, 1742-3. > To cousin Sarah Patrick, dau.-in-law Sarah Hickman, and granddau. > Bridget Hickman, personalty. > To daus.-in-law Dillegane Rickard, Bridget Seasill, Tamer Day, > Charity Maisey, Anne Bell and Elizabeth Collins, residue of estate. > Exs.: Isaac Bell, John Rickard. > Test: John Miller, Charles Mooney, Abraham Lynch. > 23. 97. > I can not understand why it is widow of John when it appears his > name was James LOL. > > Smith, James, Sr.,Somerset Co.,23rd Mar., 1739-40; > 27th Apr., 1740. > To son John, ex., and hrs., 350 A. “Cow Quarter”, 200 A. > “Isleington” 430 A. “Cords Lott”. > To daus. Sarah, Bridgett, Diligents and Comfort and sons Charles > and William, personalty. > To wife Elizabeth, 1/3 estate. > Test: Thomas Purkins, Race Clark, Samuel Showell. > 22. 172. > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

here's the problem. There were a zillion John Smiths! At this point I have only begun researching him and can not say whose son he is. i don't have any land records in my possession and have to use other means to determine father and if worst comes to worst I have to use the online land records to see if they help. ----- Original Message ----- From: marjorie adams <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:23:40 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example Liz and Elizabeth, I was not following the beginning of this thread so you may have mentioned this before. James and John Smith were sons of James Smith d 1692 and married to Merium; his mother was Joyce m John Smith, will Accomack 1977/78. I vote for Elizabeth's idea that perhaps Elizabeth, as widow Smith, m John after his brother James died--not an infrequent happening. {I have done only a little research on Smiths because of connections to Samuel Showell and the names Joyce and Merium, wives of Smiths, that were used in my LONG/LOCKWOOD family in the 1750s.} There was also an Edward Smith will 1687 Som. m Ann Showell will 1688 Som., the sister of Samuel Showell. They had a son Armwell, a name which shows up,first uniquely I think, in the below-mentioned connected families. I have theorized that it was at first a surname in England in the Showell line that was then used as a given name by the Smith, Vigerous, Lockwood and Long families in the Colonies. After Armwell Long who was a locally famous Col in the War of 1812 in Sussex DE, it became somewhat widely used in Sussex. I really do research things other than names! Do you have a connection between James Smith and Edward, or do you have later Smiths in the James or John Smith line? On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:07 AM, wrote: > I did not know how to explain the below contradiction in the name of the > husband of Elizabeth Smith. > > I can not understand why it is widow of John when it appears his name was > James LOL. > > Smith, James, Sr.,Somerset Co.,23rd Mar., 1739-40; > 27th Apr., 1740. > To son John, ex., and hrs., 350 A. “Cow Quarter”, 200 A. “Isleington” 430 > A. “Cords Lott”. > To daus. Sarah, Bridgett, Diligents and Comfort and sons Charles and > William, personalty. > To wife Elizabeth, 1/3 estate. > Test: Thomas Purkins, Race Clark, Samuel Showell. > 22. 172. > -- Marjorie "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=TE1 it is not easy to navigate. You have to know volume and folio and hunt around to find out which microfilm at the huntington collection it is on. It is beyond me to give more detailed instructions as I just muddle through one way or the other without a plan.....the page numbers are tricky too so that requires an explanation from someone better able to describe it than me. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:28:52 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example greetings - is this huntington collection online? would you share? thanx - robin -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Just To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:18 am Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example Did you get a chance to look at the inventories, accounts and alances associated with the probate at the Huntington Collection? hey might furnish additional clues that can explain the relationships. I only had time to look up one account for John Smith in 1741 (Lib 8, f. 242), executor was John Smith and mentions there was another on Thomas, deceased, and legacies left to William Smith, Sarah ickman alias Smith, Diligence Richards alias Smith, Bridgit Sasield ?) alias Smith, Comfort Smith, Charles Smith and the Accountant John Smith). n Jul 26, 2010, at 6:07 AM, [email protected] wrote: > I did not know how to explain the below contradiction in the name of the husband of Elizabeth Smith. (Keddie also refers to James Smith). This is an example of the reason why we should check the original will whenever possible. After a giant struggle with the Huntington site, I managed to find Smith's will of 1739-40 below (vol. 22, folio 172). Voila - it said very clearly I JOHN Smith, Sr. of Somerset County etc. Of course here's the problem - was this copy on the Huntington site also a copy of an original will and were Cotton and Keddie looking at an entirely different copy. What a headache. Smith, Elizabeth, widow of John,All Hallows Parish, Somerset Co., 19th May, 1742; 10th March, 1742-3; 17th March, 1742-3. To cousin Sarah Patrick, dau.-in-law Sarah Hickman, and granddau. Bridget Hickman, personalty. To daus.-in-law Dillegane Rickard, Bridget Seasill, Tamer Day, Charity Maisey, Anne Bell and Elizabeth Collins, residue of estate. Exs.: Isaac Bell, John Rickard. Test: John Miller, Charles Mooney, Abraham Lynch. 23. 97. I can not understand why it is widow of John when it appears his name was James LOL. Smith, James, Sr.,Somerset Co.,23rd Mar., 1739-40; 27th Apr., 1740. To son John, ex., and hrs., 350 A. “Cow Quarter”, 200 A. “Isleington” 430 A. “Cords Lott”. To daus. Sarah, Bridgett, Diligents and Comfort and sons Charles and William, personalty. To wife Elizabeth, 1/3 estate. Test: Thomas Purkins, Race Clark, Samuel Showell. 22. 172. *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER- [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** UESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? isit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: ttp://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In this case, the tax lists are helpful since there is not a single James Smith in the tax lists for Bogerternorton through 1740 or Baltimore 100 for that matter.. There is however a likely John Smith in Bogerternorton . I agree, I am calling this one for JOHN Smith! ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:09:16 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example Go with Fox Mulder: "Trust no one". There are just all sorts of ways in which old mischief can confound us. Here's the deal. Not many "original original" wills survive from that era, meaning the original handwritten submissions actually entered by the testators. There are some, though, and for Somerset there's a supply of them in their original boxes at the MSA. I don't know if this one is among them, and haven't checked. So, for the wills across the Province the conventional source is the Prerogative Court will books, as transcribed by that court's clerks in Annapolis. These should have been all transcripts of the original wills as submitted from the counties as part of the court's estate handling process. These are what you see at the "Huntington" site, from a filming of these dating from the 1940s. These are also the volumes originally used by Baldwin and Cotton for their Calendar of Wills abstracts (not this filming of course, but evidently from the paper volumes themselves at the then-Hall of Records). In addition, the counties maintained a separate transcription of the wills of the county. In Somerset, these are now found in the county clerk Esme Bayly's series (EB volumes). In some cases the Bayly transcripts (made in the late 18th century) were re-dos of even then disintegrating earlier volumes in the courthouse. Presumbably the original county volumes, like the Prerogative Court versions, were copied from the "original originals", too, but because they were separate transcriptions from those made at Annapolis, one must be aware there could be differences. And when Bayly went through and re-did them, there's another opportunity for differences/mistakes to creep in. The Keddie transcripts were done from the county's EB series. There are similar local transcripts from Worcester: the "JW" series. Baldwiin and Cotton have many known errors. All in all, a pretty good example of why a finding aid is only a pointer to getting the original, from which one can draw one's own conclusions. Over the years I have also found a number of differences between the EB volumes and the Prerogative Court versions. And some cases in which I'm just glad to have found an "original original" to break ties or to correct other transcriptional gaffes. Sometimes one must simply consider all the evidence from all sources to decide what was meant, and that you're facing a clerical error. I have found other cases in which the testator's name was in error in the MD Calendar of Wills. And I have certainly found errors in all other transcripts, including the "original" PC wills. All this generality aside, I see that my tract histories for ISLINGTON, COWS QUARTERS and CORDS LOT have them in the ownership of John Smith from the early 1700s, and then bequeathed by James Smith (I probably used the assertions of the MD Calendar of Wills, I imagine; there is only so much time in the day to check everything). Unless there had been some other mechanism by which a James Smith had come by these, it looks from what you have found to be more likely that John Smith was the 1739/40 testator. So: thanks. Looks like I should correct my files. Note also here MD Wills 23:099 (also recorded as Worcester Wills JW2:006), of carpenter John Smith in 1743, bequeathing these same to his daughter Elizabeth. He didn't last long after getting these from his father. John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:07 am Subject: [LDR] Look at the original will - example I did not know how to explain the below contradiction in the name of the husband of Elizabeth Smith. (Keddie also refers to James Smith). This is an example of the reason why we should check the original will whenever possible. After a giant struggle with the Huntington site, I managed to find Smith's will of 1739-40 below (vol. 22, folio 172). Voila - it said very clearly I JOHN Smith, Sr. of Somerset County etc. Of course here's the problem - was this copy on the Huntington site also a copy of an original will and were Cotton and Keddie looking at an entirely different copy. What a headache. *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, zillions of John Smiths. If I have connected the wrong ones, I hope you will let me know. Maybe these wills will help. BTW, what is your evidence that Eliz, (widow of John) will 1743 was the same Eliz as the Eliz wife of James w 1740? The Accomack will date in my first message was obviously wrong=1777/78. Will of John Smith Taylor (sic=tailor) 27 Oct 1677-19 Feb 1677 To eldest son, George Smith 200 A. where I now live, reversion to his brothers. Wife Joyce. To son James 150 A.adj. George's land. To son John 150 A. adj land of his bro. James, reversion to my youngest son Thomas. To dau. Ann Hammon. Son in law Edward Hamon [sic]. To my 5 youngest children, James, John, Thomas, Director & Joyce. Son in law Thomas Savage. To John Tomson & his wife Rebecca. John Tomson, George Smith & Thomas Savage overseers over my above named children. Sons to be at age at 18 & daus. at 15. Witt. John Booth, Alexander Addison. - p. 8 Nottingham (p85) Will & Deeds 1676 - 1690 (vi) a Joyce was in lower Accomack -see www.ghotes (Jim Lokenbauer's map) as well as a John and a James all A9 Liber 6 p34-35 transcription by Mike Hilton 3/09 LDR The deposition of Thomas Smith aged about forty years & of Denham Olanman aged about sixty-one years the said deponents both say that being at the house of James Smith decd. the said Thomas Smith being there accidently & the said Denham Olanman being sent for to witness what the said *James Smith * hath to declare as his mind & will before his death concerning his Estate the said James Smith lying then on his death bed sick & weak of body did disclose that he *left his land & plantation to his sons James & John* to be divided equally between them in Moiety & that the said James & John & another son by name George shall all be at age when arrived to the year of 18. This the said deponents do affirm that the said James Smith desired them boith to bear witness unto & further saith not. Thomas Smith, Denham his A mark Olanman. Memorandum. That upon the 15th day of March 1692/3 came personally before me the two deponents above named & subscribers hereof & made oath upon the holy Evangilest [Bible] to the truth of all above written. Witness my hand. Samuel Hopkins Somerset County. Memorandum. That upon the probate made of the within written & at the request of* Meriam Smith relict* of the within named James Smith Letter of Administration granted the said Meriam & she swore her oath of administratorship the 15th day of March before me. Samuel Hopkins On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:43 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > here's the problem. There were a zillion John Smiths! At this point I > have only begun researching him and can not say whose son he is. i don't > have any land records in my possession and have to use other means to > determine father and if worst comes to worst I have to use the online land > records to see if they help. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: marjorie adams <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:23:40 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example > > Liz and Elizabeth, I was not following the beginning of this thread so you > may have mentioned this before. James and John Smith were sons of James > Smith d 1692 and married to Merium; his mother was Joyce m John Smith, will > Accomack 1977/78. I vote for Elizabeth's idea that perhaps Elizabeth, as > widow Smith, m John after his brother James died--not an infrequent > happening. > > {I have done only a little research on Smiths because of connections to > Samuel Showell and the names Joyce and Merium, wives of Smiths, that were > used in my LONG/LOCKWOOD family in the 1750s.} > > There was also an Edward Smith will 1687 Som. m Ann Showell will 1688 Som., > the sister of Samuel Showell. They had a son Armwell, a name which shows > up,first uniquely I think, in the below-mentioned connected families. I > have theorized that it was at first a surname in England in the Showell > line > that was then used as a given name by the Smith, Vigerous, Lockwood and > Long > families in the Colonies. After Armwell Long who was a locally famous Col > in > the War of 1812 in Sussex DE, it became somewhat widely used in Sussex. > > I really do research things other than names! > Do you have a connection between James Smith and Edward, or do you have > later Smiths in the James or John Smith line? > > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:07 AM, wrote: > > > I did not know how to explain the below contradiction in the name of the > > husband of Elizabeth Smith. > > > > I can not understand why it is widow of John when it appears his name was > > James LOL. > > > > Smith, James, Sr.,Somerset Co.,23rd Mar., 1739-40; > > 27th Apr., 1740. > > To son John, ex., and hrs., 350 A. “Cow Quarter”, 200 A. “Isleington” 430 > > A. “Cords Lott”. > > To daus. Sarah, Bridgett, Diligents and Comfort and sons Charles and > > William, personalty. > > To wife Elizabeth, 1/3 estate. > > Test: Thomas Purkins, Race Clark, Samuel Showell. > > 22. 172. > > > -- > Marjorie > "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to > play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Marjorie "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke

To find out if an original will exists, i.e. the document actually signed by the testator, one has to go to MSA Index 1. This is now on line and can be accessed at http://www.msa.md.gov/megafile/msa/stagsere/se1/se4/000000/html/index.html It is a bit tedious to work through, especially for John and James Smith, because each "page" in the index is an image of one 3x5 card, each card being the reference to a single probate document. There are, for example, almost 12,000 cards just under surnames beginning with "S." To look for a particular document you have to search through the "pages" working progressively through surname, then given name, then record type (accounts, bonds, inventories, testamentary papers, wills), then county, and finally by date. If you get to a will and the notation "COUNTY" appears on the card then you know the original will is on file at MSA in the indicated box and folder number. I did this for John and James Smith and surprisingly found that there were no wills listed for either John or James Smith in Somerset in 1739-40, neither original nor transcribed versions. The closest I could find was an original will for a different John Smith, in Somerset in 1733, which is transcribed in Wills Vol. 20, p.690. So this is an example of a will that did not make it into MSA Index 1, which up to this point I had always thought was pretty reliable. It is found in the MD Calendar of Wills. John Polk ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 09:07 Subject: [LDR] Look at the original will - example >I did not know how to explain the below contradiction in the name of the >husband of Elizabeth Smith. (Keddie also refers to James Smith). This is >an example of the reason why we should check the original will whenever >possible. After a giant struggle with the Huntington site, I managed to >find Smith's will of 1739-40 below (vol. 22, folio 172). Voila - it said >very clearly I JOHN Smith, Sr. of Somerset County etc. Of course here's >the problem - was this copy on the Huntington site also a copy of an >original will and were Cotton and Keddie looking at an entirely different >copy. What a headache. > > Smith, Elizabeth, widow of John,All Hallows Parish, Somerset Co.,19th May, > 1742; > 10th March, 1742-3; > 17th March, 1742-3. > To cousin Sarah Patrick, dau.-in-law Sarah Hickman, and granddau. Bridget > Hickman, personalty. > To daus.-in-law Dillegane Rickard, Bridget Seasill, Tamer Day, Charity > Maisey, Anne Bell and Elizabeth Collins, residue of estate. > Exs.: Isaac Bell, John Rickard. > Test: John Miller, Charles Mooney, Abraham Lynch. > 23. 97. > I can not understand why it is widow of John when it appears his name was > James LOL. > > Smith, James, Sr.,Somerset Co.,23rd Mar., 1739-40; > 27th Apr., 1740. > To son John, ex., and hrs., 350 A. “Cow Quarter”, 200 A. “Isleington” 430 > A. “Cords Lott”. > To daus. Sarah, Bridgett, Diligents and Comfort and sons Charles and > William, personalty. > To wife Elizabeth, 1/3 estate. > Test: Thomas Purkins, Race Clark, Samuel Showell. > 22. 172. > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message