There are two Libers L - the 1691-1704 one (aka Vol.7) and the 1797-1799 one (aka Vol. 32). Unfortunately the original for the latter, the one you want, seems to have been lost. It is not listed in the MSA holdings. Fortunately there seems to be a microfilm copy of it, identified as CR 31817 or MSA citation CM963-47 . Unfortunately for your needs, when they did the scanning of the Somerset land records volumes for MdLand Rec they must have done them from the original libers, not from the microfilms, so the Volume L that you are interested in wasn't scanned. Seems like the only way to get what you need is visit MSA and look at the microfilm, unless Nabb has copy of it. John Polk Havre de Grace ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 17:25 Subject: Re: [LDR] DNA as a tool of genealogy & help > or course I have 11 toes and 11 fingers, don't you? > > Also please help: (probably I have a screw loose). Liber L online md. > land records claiming to be this: > SOMERSET COUNTY COURT (Land Records) > > L, 1797-1799 > > MSA CE 102-36 > > > > the deeds seem to be all from William and Marys reign way before the > revolution....naturally the deed I wanted to look at was in Liber L folio > 471.....the deed on that page and on page 1 of the book are all very old > and not from 1797-1799. Wonder where the deeds went that were supposed to > be in Liber L? > > http://www.mdlandrec.net/msa/stagser/s1700/s1741/cfm/dsp_volume.cfm?CFID=620931&CFTOKEN=14951016&v_sp=0001&v_qu=CE&v_sr=102&v_ssu=36&yr=1797 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:04:58 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [LDR] DNA as a tool of genealogy > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > > I am afraid to go anywhere near the DNA situation (sarcasm). I have > way too > many first cousin marriages in my direct ancestry! I am just glad I > have the > requisite number of fingers and toes. > > ______ > > And how many is that again? > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

or course I have 11 toes and 11 fingers, don't you? Also please help: (probably I have a screw loose). Liber L online md. land records claiming to be this: SOMERSET COUNTY COURT (Land Records) L, 1797-1799 MSA CE 102-36 the deeds seem to be all from William and Marys reign way before the revolution....naturally the deed I wanted to look at was in Liber L folio 471.....the deed on that page and on page 1 of the book are all very old and not from 1797-1799. Wonder where the deeds went that were supposed to be in Liber L? http://www.mdlandrec.net/msa/stagser/s1700/s1741/cfm/dsp_volume.cfm?CFID=620931&CFTOKEN=14951016&v_sp=0001&v_qu=CE&v_sr=102&v_ssu=36&yr=1797 ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:04:58 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [LDR] DNA as a tool of genealogy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] I am afraid to go anywhere near the DNA situation (sarcasm). I have way too many first cousin marriages in my direct ancestry! I am just glad I have the requisite number of fingers and toes. ______ And how many is that again? *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elizabeth....Very interesting and amusing.:) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] DNA as a tool of genealogy > Like many of us, you actually have a telephone pole, rather than a tree! > (Joke) Way back in the beginning, we had a very limited group of people > from whom to choose, so that now it seems we are not only cousin to each > other, > but also to ourselves! North Carolina wasn't much better - my 2g > grandmother's half-brothers were also her first cousins, as her mother > married her > late husband's brother. > > Elizabeth > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

[email protected] writes: > I am afraid to go anywhere near the DNA situation (sarcasm).  I have way > too many first cousin marriages in my direct ancestry!  I am just glad I > have the requisite number of fingers and toes.  The number of times I am > directly related to the first Accomack ancester, Olive, for example, is > shocking.  It does, however,  make doing my "tree" easier.  Since there are so > many duplicates, I have to research fewer people.  Nevertheless I am shocked > by my own ancestry!  If your family did not leave the Eastern shore until > the 1930's, you too are probably in the same situation.  Liz > My Accomack/Worcester County ancestors left by 1800 for points West and I also have lines that intermarried before and after leaving. Add to that a large Quaker ancestry from Chester Co, PA, some first and second cousin marriage and it's a wonder more of their descendants don't look alike! lol Y-DNA has been very helpful to determine common ancestry for several lines. Plus, one family on my maternal side had 22/37 matching markers to my dad's family; both families emigranted from southern England and had Celtic heritage. Eleanor

If there is no stone, see if anyone at the cemetery knows where the grave is, and ask to have one placed there. My mother was able to do this, which I found far more appetizing that digging her father up and moving him from New York to North Carolina (after 55 years). Elizabeth

One of the best informational tombstones I have seen is in a cemetary in Milam Co TX . It is the wife's tombstone, tells the information about her, under her information, gives the name of her husband, and the county in MS where he is buried. Jackie Helmke [email protected] This message has been screened by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] DNA and ITS LINK TO FAMILY HISTORY > If there is no stone, see if anyone at the cemetery knows where the grave > is, and ask to have one placed there. My mother was able to do this, > which I found far more appetizing that digging her father up and moving > him from > New York to North Carolina (after 55 years). > > Elizabeth > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Like many of us, you actually have a telephone pole, rather than a tree! (Joke) Way back in the beginning, we had a very limited group of people from whom to choose, so that now it seems we are not only cousin to each other, but also to ourselves! North Carolina wasn't much better - my 2g grandmother's half-brothers were also her first cousins, as her mother married her late husband's brother. Elizabeth

Joni, Yes, but will we still care? I have also had a number of "hits" with the mitochondrial DNA, but I already know who they were and where they originated (County Armagh, actually an Irish family with records!), so haven't pursued it. I really need a male Vincent whose ancestry I can or have proved to someone other than my brick wall! Where are they all? Elizabeth

If we can find a burial chart, I will definitely do that. I'm not sure if just her death record saying she was buried there would give me the right to put up a stone. We are in the process of doing that for my partner's grandfather. His grandmother has a stone and his grandfather is listed as being buried right next to her so sometime this year we are having one made. Shoot, at this point, I could have one made and put it in the backyard and take a picture of it. But as things do happen, my dad would probably hop (maybe not hop)a plane to go back to Missouri to actually see it. I don't think I'll do that (sorry, all you genealogists)I was just kidding! Joni -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 4:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDR] DNA and ITS LINK TO FAMILY HISTORY If there is no stone, see if anyone at the cemetery knows where the grave is, and ask to have one placed there. My mother was able to do this, which I found far more appetizing that digging her father up and moving him from New York to North Carolina (after 55 years). Elizabeth *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] I am afraid to go anywhere near the DNA situation (sarcasm). I have way too many first cousin marriages in my direct ancestry! I am just glad I have the requisite number of fingers and toes. ______ And how many is that again?

I am afraid to go anywhere near the DNA situation (sarcasm). I have way too many first cousin marriages in my direct ancestry! I am just glad I have the requisite number of fingers and toes. The number of times I am directly related to the first Accomack ancester, Olive, for example, is shocking. It does, however, make doing my "tree" easier. Since there are so many duplicates, I have to research fewer people. Nevertheless I am shocked by my own ancestry! If your family did not leave the Eastern shore until the 1930's, you too are probably in the same situation. Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Spicer <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:48:25 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [LDR] DNA as a tool of genealogy There is a less expensive means of having your DNA tested and compared to a potential relative. At the website http://www.worldfamilies.net determine whether your line is already listed under projects. If it is join it by clicking on join the X DNA project and submitting your DNA ( the cost is much less than at the usual sites). If you can't find your surname start a new project. Everything is very private. I started both the Spicer project http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/spicer/ and the Haslet project (my wife's maiden name) Haslet(t) Project . If you are a DELMARVA Spicer there are three DNA lines from DELMARVA (1 is from an adopted Spicer line that took the Spicer surname, one is from Taylors Island whose origin is still unknown, and one is from a line S1 and S2 which originated from Exeter England). The Cannon surname is there as is Vincent (Vincent Project ). However, don't waste money on the mtDNA if all you are trying to do is follow the family surname. Also don't pay for Y-DNA67 markers until you have a good match at Y-DNA37 ( this my recommended number of markers). Dan Spicer *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, my dad will be 85 in October and he cares, but then he still goes ballroom dancing 4 days a week also and lives with his girlfriend! :) He has never been able to find his grandmother's grave in Vernon County, Missouri, and is actually quite sad about it. I have been trying. She died in Vernon County and is listed on her death record as being buried in Deep Woods Cemetery but so far no luck in finding where. She probably was buried without a stone. I've just hired a genealogist there so I'm hoping she will be able to find something. I'd love to be able to give my dad a picture of his grandmother's stone for his birthday! On to 85! Joni -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 2:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDR] DNA and ITS LINK TO FAMILY HISTORY Joni, Yes, but will we still care? I have also had a number of "hits" with the mitochondrial DNA, but I already know who they were and where they originated (County Armagh, actually an Irish family with records!), so haven't pursued it. I really need a male Vincent whose ancestry I can or have proved to someone other than my brick wall! Where are they all? Elizabeth *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My father submitted his DNA to the Ferguson DNA project and it was somewhat helpful. I had been researching the all of Ferguson's from Albemarle Co. VA to try to determine if we were related. We weren't able to find a paper connection to many of the Ferguson. Through DNA I was able to determine that we were not related to many of the Ferguson living in the same county. I was able to scratch these off of my list of possible brothers thus reducing my wasted research time. There are only two lines left from the county that we haven't been able to get DNA from. I am currently working on one of these lines. Now that there is so much advertising for Ancestry.com, it seems like more and more people are becoming interested. The Ferguson line I am researching for a connection just recently posted their family tree online which gives me the possibility that someone will be interested in submitting DNA which will either rule out or rule in the possibility that we connect. If you are interested in seeing a DNA project that is up and running google Ferguson DNA. Colin has done an excellent job at putting the page together. Putting everyone together in one location like the Ferguson page will surely make it more appealing to others of the same last name. When you ask a total stranger for their DNA, you can at least show them the page so that they know your on the up and up. Colin does a great job explaining the process. So, anyone interested in setting up a Stevenson DNA project from the DELMARVA area???? Dorene > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 08:58:14 -0600 > Subject: Re: [LDR] DNA and ITS LINK TO FAMILY HISTORY > > Elizabeth, > > I'll have to agree with you on this. My father is 85, and he sent in his > DNA, but the closest match is more than 20 generations back. Until more > people decide to do this, you'll have trouble finding links. The one > interesting thing, though, that did happen is that when I submitted my DNA, > it didn't even show any close matches, but I was contacted by about 10 women > whose maternal ancestry was Prussian. My 2nd great grandmother was Prussian > also, so there is definitely something that does work. None of us were > researching the same names, but obviously it can pinpoint areas. I guess > maybe when we are 85, we might find closer matches! > > Joni > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 4:54 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LDR] DNA and ITS LINK TO FAMILY HISTORY > > DNA is not very useful unless you have some from someone else, so it can be > compared. I need a male Vincent who is NOT my fourth cousin to participate > in a DNA project. I will pay the costs! > > Elizabeth > > > In a message dated 7/29/2010 10:09:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > Have you had occasion to browse the web site for the Downstate Delaware > Genealogical Society at _www.downstatedegenealogists.org_ > (http://www.downstatedegenealogists.org) ? If not, you will find it is > presenting a conference > on DNA and ITS LINK TO FAMILY HISTORY on SATURDAY, OCTOBER 9, 2010, at the > Hilton Garden Inn Dover, 1706 N. DuPont Highway, Dover, Delaware, from > 8:30 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. The speakers will be: > . Thomas H. Shawker, M.D., a physician at the National Institute > of Health and serves as the chairman of the National Genealogical Society > Committee on Genetic Genealogy. He is the author of Unlocking Your Genetic > History and is a past president of the Prince George's County Genealogical > Society. > . Mark J. Wadhams, MS, Quality Manager at the Armed Forces DNA > Identification Laboratory (AFDIL), Armed Forces Institute of Pathology. > He > has worked in the field of forensics for over 20 years. He has been > involved with the identification of skeletal remains of numerous military > service members as well as Tsar Nicholas II. He has presented at numerous > national > and international conferences and has published papers in the field of > forensics. > Dr. Shawker will have two presentations: (1) DNA Testing: The Very, Very > Basics - This presentation explains the principles behind Y chromosome and > Mitochondrial DNA tests for genealogy, how to interpret the results, and > how those results can be used for genealogy. Topics include what > specific test to order, how to verify relationships between individuals > with the same surname, and help verify that elusive female ancestor. This > presentation is designed to address the needs of the very beginner in DNA > technology. > (2) Race, Ethnicity, and Ancestry: Genetic Genealogy & DNA Testing - Do I > have Native American or Jewish ancestry? Where in Africa do I come > from? > These are some of the questions that family historians can research using > DNA > tests, including Y chromosome, mtDNA, and autosomal markers. This > lecture > will discuss the value of these tests, how to apply them and how to > interpret the results. > Mr. Wadhams will have a presentation on The Genealogical/Scientific Role > Family Members Play in the Identification of Missing Service Members from > Military Conflicts: Unknowns Never Again - a presentation on the > identification of the Vietnam Unknown. This presentation will also > include what the AFDIL does in accounting for current-day losses, as well > as those service members missing from prior conflicts in Vietnam, Korea, > World War II, World > War I, and even the Civil War, along with the challenges of working with > genealogists in finding family members from whom it can get DNA > references. > The link for the registration form is > _http://www.downstatedegenealogists.org/resources/DDGS+DNA+Brochure.pdf_ > (http://www.downstatedegenealogists.org/resources/DDGS+DNA+Brochure.pdf) . > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judy, I sent this yesterday A M but apparently it didn't go through because I didn't get a copy. Clare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Pebworth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [LDR] Elizabeth City Court, Va. 1845 exchange warrant > Judy, > > Thank you so very much for responding. Your info was helpful. > > Thomas Bonwell was in the VA State Navy and a court document dated 1831 > said that he went to sea about 40 years ago and has not been heard from > since. His only heirs would be 6 brothers and sisters or their children. > In reading the info from "VA Soldiers of 1776" it appears that "in > exchange of 7250" this was the total amount of land to be distributed > among the heirs. The sentence was not clear nor did it say 7285 of what. > It just states "Warrant 7285 was issued, 16 Nov., 1832". Added to that, > some of the info is from Accomack Co. Court and some is from Elizabeth > City Co., Court. To add to the confusion, I don't understand how a > warrant could be issued in 1832 and the heirs sign for the distribution > Aug. 1831. > > Va. Soldiers of 1776 states "The original certificate of allowance was as > follows: - Exec. Dept. May 1st., 1832. Thomas Bonwell is allowed L.B. for > his services as a Master in the Va. state navy. John Floyd, Gov." It > doesn't say which county. Where would the Exec. Dept. be located? Sorry > I am so stupid about this. > > I can't determine if he was in the Rev. War or the War of 1812. I know > our ancestor got something but I would like to know what and where. > > Thanks again > Clare > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:07 PM > Subject: Re: [LDR] Elizabeth City Court, Va. 1845 exchange warrant > > >> Clare wrote >Elizabeth City Co. (VA) Court, 24 March 1845 issued Exchange >> Warrant 522 to Solomon Russell, Robert Russell, William P. Russell and >> Betsey >> Russell. These warrants were issued in exchange of 7250. Recorded Book 3, >> Page 516, Va. L. Off.< >> >> I don't know how the Elizabeth City Court could issue an Exchange Warrant >> unless it were intended for use within Elizabeth City. >> >> "in exchange of 7250"--??? was this the number of the original Land >> Warrant >> issued to (or supposed to be issued to) Bonwell? >> >> A Land Warrant was authorization for a surveyor to lay out a pretty >> specific acreage of land within a specified jurisdiction under control of >> the >> issuing authority. >> >> An exchange warrant was issued when there was some impediment to timely >> use >> of the original Land Warrant, such as loss by fire, death, etc. There >> were >> usually time limits within which the land should be claimed and settled. >> >> Was Bonwell's service in the War of 1812? I know some Arkansas land was >> set aside for redemption of War of 1812 Bounty Land, but am not sure >> where >> else VA's land warrants were to be used. >> >> In any event, the Land Warrants were not for specific parcels (except for >> much earlier ones issued "in right of settlement" and their collateral >> pre-emption warrants). Usually the persons issued such Warrants sold >> them, often >> to speculators who would collect a bunch and then use them in a group to >> claim a large enough parcel of land to make the travel to claim far-off >> land, >> have it surveyed, pay the surveyor, and then pay a sum per acre to have >> the >> Grant issued by the Land Office. >> >> Often when the Warrants were sold, a simple assignment was written and >> signed on the back of the Warrant document itself. >> >> In your case, there might be a deed selling the Warrant recorded in >> Elizabeth City Deeds. This would also be the place to look for any land >> owned by >> the Russells and sold by them. >> >> Wish I could come up with something more definitive, but hope this helps. >> Further queries on a message board or Mailing List for Elizabeth City >> might >> prompt some real assistance. >> >> Good hunting, >> Judy</HTML> >> *************************************** >> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Elizabeth, I'll have to agree with you on this. My father is 85, and he sent in his DNA, but the closest match is more than 20 generations back. Until more people decide to do this, you'll have trouble finding links. The one interesting thing, though, that did happen is that when I submitted my DNA, it didn't even show any close matches, but I was contacted by about 10 women whose maternal ancestry was Prussian. My 2nd great grandmother was Prussian also, so there is definitely something that does work. None of us were researching the same names, but obviously it can pinpoint areas. I guess maybe when we are 85, we might find closer matches! Joni -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 4:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDR] DNA and ITS LINK TO FAMILY HISTORY DNA is not very useful unless you have some from someone else, so it can be compared. I need a male Vincent who is NOT my fourth cousin to participate in a DNA project. I will pay the costs! Elizabeth In a message dated 7/29/2010 10:09:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Have you had occasion to browse the web site for the Downstate Delaware Genealogical Society at _www.downstatedegenealogists.org_ (http://www.downstatedegenealogists.org) ? If not, you will find it is presenting a conference on DNA and ITS LINK TO FAMILY HISTORY on SATURDAY, OCTOBER 9, 2010, at the Hilton Garden Inn Dover, 1706 N. DuPont Highway, Dover, Delaware, from 8:30 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. The speakers will be: . Thomas H. Shawker, M.D., a physician at the National Institute of Health and serves as the chairman of the National Genealogical Society Committee on Genetic Genealogy. He is the author of Unlocking Your Genetic History and is a past president of the Prince George's County Genealogical Society. . Mark J. Wadhams, MS, Quality Manager at the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory (AFDIL), Armed Forces Institute of Pathology. He has worked in the field of forensics for over 20 years. He has been involved with the identification of skeletal remains of numerous military service members as well as Tsar Nicholas II. He has presented at numerous national and international conferences and has published papers in the field of forensics. Dr. Shawker will have two presentations: (1) DNA Testing: The Very, Very Basics - This presentation explains the principles behind Y chromosome and Mitochondrial DNA tests for genealogy, how to interpret the results, and how those results can be used for genealogy. Topics include what specific test to order, how to verify relationships between individuals with the same surname, and help verify that elusive female ancestor. This presentation is designed to address the needs of the very beginner in DNA technology. (2) Race, Ethnicity, and Ancestry: Genetic Genealogy & DNA Testing - Do I have Native American or Jewish ancestry? Where in Africa do I come from? These are some of the questions that family historians can research using DNA tests, including Y chromosome, mtDNA, and autosomal markers. This lecture will discuss the value of these tests, how to apply them and how to interpret the results. Mr. Wadhams will have a presentation on The Genealogical/Scientific Role Family Members Play in the Identification of Missing Service Members from Military Conflicts: Unknowns Never Again - a presentation on the identification of the Vietnam Unknown. This presentation will also include what the AFDIL does in accounting for current-day losses, as well as those service members missing from prior conflicts in Vietnam, Korea, World War II, World War I, and even the Civil War, along with the challenges of working with genealogists in finding family members from whom it can get DNA references. The link for the registration form is _http://www.downstatedegenealogists.org/resources/DDGS+DNA+Brochure.pdf_ (http://www.downstatedegenealogists.org/resources/DDGS+DNA+Brochure.pdf) . *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a less expensive means of having your DNA tested and compared to a potential relative. At the website http://www.worldfamilies.net determine whether your line is already listed under projects. If it is join it by clicking on join the X DNA project and submitting your DNA ( the cost is much less than at the usual sites). If you can't find your surname start a new project. Everything is very private. I started both the Spicer project http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/spicer/ and the Haslet project (my wife's maiden name) Haslet(t) Project <http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/haslett/results>. If you are a DELMARVA Spicer there are three DNA lines from DELMARVA (1 is from an adopted Spicer line that took the Spicer surname, one is from Taylors Island whose origin is still unknown, and one is from a line S1 and S2 which originated from Exeter England). The Cannon surname is there as is Vincent (Vincent Project <http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/vincent/results>). However, don't waste money on the mtDNA if all you are trying to do is follow the family surname. Also don't pay for Y-DNA67 markers until you have a good match at Y-DNA37 ( this my recommended number of markers). Dan Spicer

Clare wrote >Added to that, some of the info is from Accomack Co. Court and some is from Elizabeth City Co., Court. To add to the confusion, I don't understand how a warrant could be issued in 1832 and the heirs sign for the distribution Aug. 1831. Va. Soldiers of 1776 states "The original certificate of allowance was as follows: - Exec. Dept. May 1st., 1832. Thomas Bonwell is allowed L.B. for his services as a Master in the Va. state navy. John Floyd, Gov." It doesn't say which county. Where would the Exec. Dept. be located?< You don't say what sort of "distribution" was made in Aug. 1831; it would not be related to the 1845 Elizabeth City Court proceeding. An estate distribution may be much delayed after a person is declared deceased. As quick example, a proceeding regarding distant cousins was only impelled by death of a deserted widow in the 1850s after she had the nerve to make a will devising the land given her by her father and that she purchsed herself. Her hubby had gone off in 1819, and the Court initially assumed that the land was his and refused to allow her will to be executed. The complicating factor was that there was "her" child and "their" children, so treating both deaths as ~intestate,~ or hers as ~testate~ made a difference as to who inherited the land. The Executive would be the Governor's office. 40 years prior to 1831 would be 1791. No war-related land bounty would pertain, but I have no knowledge concerning what VA was doing at sea at that time. Possibly the heirs managed to get the Legislature to enact a special bill for back pay, but the lawmakers made it a Land Warrant (of little financial value) instead of cash, which in the 1830s was rather scarce. Possibly the heirs turned in the land warrant in lieu of paying taxes. I don't know. You'd have to get the full court record and a solid look at Deeds. Best wishes, Judy</HTML>

Judy, Thank you so very much for responding. Your info was helpful. Thomas Bonwell was in the VA State Navy and a court document dated 1831 said that he went to sea about 40 years ago and has not been heard from since. His only heirs would be 6 brothers and sisters or their children. In reading the info from "VA Soldiers of 1776" it appears that "in exchange of 7250" this was the total amount of land to be distributed among the heirs. The sentence was not clear nor did it say 7285 of what. It just states "Warrant 7285 was issued, 16 Nov., 1832". Added to that, some of the info is from Accomack Co. Court and some is from Elizabeth City Co., Court. To add to the confusion, I don't understand how a warrant could be issued in 1832 and the heirs sign for the distribution Aug. 1831. Va. Soldiers of 1776 states "The original certificate of allowance was as follows: - Exec. Dept. May 1st., 1832. Thomas Bonwell is allowed L.B. for his services as a Master in the Va. state navy. John Floyd, Gov." It doesn't say which county. Where would the Exec. Dept. be located? Sorry I am so stupid about this. I can't determine if he was in the Rev. War or the War of 1812. I know our ancestor got something but I would like to know what and where. Thanks again ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] Elizabeth City Court, Va. 1845 exchange warrant > Clare wrote >Elizabeth City Co. (VA) Court, 24 March 1845 issued Exchange > Warrant 522 to Solomon Russell, Robert Russell, William P. Russell and > Betsey > Russell. These warrants were issued in exchange of 7250. Recorded Book 3, > Page 516, Va. L. Off.< > > I don't know how the Elizabeth City Court could issue an Exchange Warrant > unless it were intended for use within Elizabeth City. > > "in exchange of 7250"--??? was this the number of the original Land > Warrant > issued to (or supposed to be issued to) Bonwell? > > A Land Warrant was authorization for a surveyor to lay out a pretty > specific acreage of land within a specified jurisdiction under control of > the > issuing authority. > > An exchange warrant was issued when there was some impediment to timely > use > of the original Land Warrant, such as loss by fire, death, etc. There > were > usually time limits within which the land should be claimed and settled. > > Was Bonwell's service in the War of 1812? I know some Arkansas land was > set aside for redemption of War of 1812 Bounty Land, but am not sure where > else VA's land warrants were to be used. > > In any event, the Land Warrants were not for specific parcels (except for > much earlier ones issued "in right of settlement" and their collateral > pre-emption warrants). Usually the persons issued such Warrants sold > them, often > to speculators who would collect a bunch and then use them in a group to > claim a large enough parcel of land to make the travel to claim far-off > land, > have it surveyed, pay the surveyor, and then pay a sum per acre to have > the > Grant issued by the Land Office. > > Often when the Warrants were sold, a simple assignment was written and > signed on the back of the Warrant document itself. > > In your case, there might be a deed selling the Warrant recorded in > Elizabeth City Deeds. This would also be the place to look for any land > owned by > the Russells and sold by them. > > Wish I could come up with something more definitive, but hope this helps. > Further queries on a message board or Mailing List for Elizabeth City > might > prompt some real assistance. > > Good hunting, > Judy</HTML> > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

DNA is not very useful unless you have some from someone else, so it can be compared. I need a male Vincent who is NOT my fourth cousin to participate in a DNA project. I will pay the costs! Elizabeth In a message dated 7/29/2010 10:09:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Have you had occasion to browse the web site for the Downstate Delaware Genealogical Society at _www.downstatedegenealogists.org_ (http://www.downstatedegenealogists.org) ? If not, you will find it is presenting a conference on DNA and ITS LINK TO FAMILY HISTORY on SATURDAY, OCTOBER 9, 2010, at the Hilton Garden Inn Dover, 1706 N. DuPont Highway, Dover, Delaware, from 8:30 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. The speakers will be: · Thomas H. Shawker, M.D., a physician at the National Institute of Health and serves as the chairman of the National Genealogical Society Committee on Genetic Genealogy. He is the author of Unlocking Your Genetic History and is a past president of the Prince George’s County Genealogical Society. · Mark J. Wadhams, MS, Quality Manager at the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory (AFDIL), Armed Forces Institute of Pathology. He has worked in the field of forensics for over 20 years. He has been involved with the identification of skeletal remains of numerous military service members as well as Tsar Nicholas II. He has presented at numerous national and international conferences and has published papers in the field of forensics. Dr. Shawker will have two presentations: (1) DNA Testing: The Very, Very Basics – This presentation explains the principles behind Y chromosome and Mitochondrial DNA tests for genealogy, how to interpret the results, and how those results can be used for genealogy. Topics include what specific test to order, how to verify relationships between individuals with the same surname, and help verify that elusive female ancestor. This presentation is designed to address the needs of the very beginner in DNA technology. (2) Race, Ethnicity, and Ancestry: Genetic Genealogy & DNA Testing – Do I have Native American or Jewish ancestry? Where in Africa do I come from? These are some of the questions that family historians can research using DNA tests, including Y chromosome, mtDNA, and autosomal markers. This lecture will discuss the value of these tests, how to apply them and how to interpret the results. Mr. Wadhams will have a presentation on The Genealogical/Scientific Role Family Members Play in the Identification of Missing Service Members from Military Conflicts: Unknowns Never Again - a presentation on the identification of the Vietnam Unknown. This presentation will also include what the AFDIL does in accounting for current-day losses, as well as those service members missing from prior conflicts in Vietnam, Korea, World War II, World War I, and even the Civil War, along with the challenges of working with genealogists in finding family members from whom it can get DNA references. The link for the registration form is _http://www.downstatedegenealogists.org/resources/DDGS+DNA+Brochure.pdf_ (http://www.downstatedegenealogists.org/resources/DDGS+DNA+Brochure.pdf) . *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you had occasion to browse the web site for the Downstate Delaware Genealogical Society at _www.downstatedegenealogists.org_ (http://www.downstatedegenealogists.org) ? If not, you will find it is presenting a conference on DNA and ITS LINK TO FAMILY HISTORY on SATURDAY, OCTOBER 9, 2010, at the Hilton Garden Inn Dover, 1706 N. DuPont Highway, Dover, Delaware, from 8:30 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. The speakers will be: · Thomas H. Shawker, M.D., a physician at the National Institute of Health and serves as the chairman of the National Genealogical Society Committee on Genetic Genealogy. He is the author of Unlocking Your Genetic History and is a past president of the Prince George’s County Genealogical Society. · Mark J. Wadhams, MS, Quality Manager at the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory (AFDIL), Armed Forces Institute of Pathology. He has worked in the field of forensics for over 20 years. He has been involved with the identification of skeletal remains of numerous military service members as well as Tsar Nicholas II. He has presented at numerous national and international conferences and has published papers in the field of forensics. Dr. Shawker will have two presentations: (1) DNA Testing: The Very, Very Basics – This presentation explains the principles behind Y chromosome and Mitochondrial DNA tests for genealogy, how to interpret the results, and how those results can be used for genealogy. Topics include what specific test to order, how to verify relationships between individuals with the same surname, and help verify that elusive female ancestor. This presentation is designed to address the needs of the very beginner in DNA technology. (2) Race, Ethnicity, and Ancestry: Genetic Genealogy & DNA Testing – Do I have Native American or Jewish ancestry? Where in Africa do I come from? These are some of the questions that family historians can research using DNA tests, including Y chromosome, mtDNA, and autosomal markers. This lecture will discuss the value of these tests, how to apply them and how to interpret the results. Mr. Wadhams will have a presentation on The Genealogical/Scientific Role Family Members Play in the Identification of Missing Service Members from Military Conflicts: Unknowns Never Again - a presentation on the identification of the Vietnam Unknown. This presentation will also include what the AFDIL does in accounting for current-day losses, as well as those service members missing from prior conflicts in Vietnam, Korea, World War II, World War I, and even the Civil War, along with the challenges of working with genealogists in finding family members from whom it can get DNA references. The link for the registration form is _http://www.downstatedegenealogists.org/resources/DDGS+DNA+Brochure.pdf_ (http://www.downstatedegenealogists.org/resources/DDGS+DNA+Brochure.pdf) .