If you do an internet search for "Porpigham" you can find that it was "Borough of Porpigham, alias Westlowe, in the County of Cornewall," among other entries. There are a great many instances where tracts were named for other places. Spellings, as always, will vary. Have fun, Judy</HTML>

I am trying to research Stephen Gary and a tract of land that he patented by the name of PORPEIGHAM. This property eventually ended up in the hands of Henry Hooper. As this name is perpetuated several generations, I am still wondering if it is the same Henry Hooper who owned lots in Vienna and the surrounding area. PORPEIGHAM is located somewhere between present day Bucktown and Cambridge at the head of the Transquaking River in Dorchester County. There is a tie with this particular property to the Quaker population in this area as well. Was Stephen Gary himself a Quaker? Does anyone know where I could find a translation of the name PORPEIGHAM? I would also like to learn more about the Quaker population here in Dorchester County. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Tom Reid's Grove Country Store Tom Bradshaw 5106 Rhodesdale Vienna Road Rhodesdale Maryland 21659 410-463-4366 cell 410-943-1212 home [email protected]

I am not familiar with the names you are searching but I have been looking for Quakers in MD lately. My people went from MD to Frederick Co., WV and then to NC. I am searching for Edwards, Ingram, Ballinger,Harding, Bowater, and Wright. There are many Quaker records on line and I have some CDs. give me a couple of days and I will check for you.   Freda Kilgo Daniel --- On Mon, 9/13/10, Tom Bradshaw <[email protected]> wrote: From: Tom Bradshaw <[email protected]> Subject: [LDR] Stephen Gary and PORPEIGHAM To: [email protected] Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 12:44 PM I am trying to research Stephen Gary and a tract of land that he patented by the name of PORPEIGHAM. This property eventually ended up in the hands of Henry Hooper. As this name is perpetuated several generations, I am still wondering if it is the same Henry Hooper who owned lots in Vienna and the surrounding area. PORPEIGHAM is located somewhere between present day Bucktown and Cambridge at the head of the Transquaking River in Dorchester County. There is a tie with this particular property to the Quaker population in this area as well. Was  Stephen Gary himself a Quaker? Does anyone know where I could find a translation of the name PORPEIGHAM? I would also like to learn more about the Quaker population here in Dorchester County. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Tom Reid's Grove Country Store Tom Bradshaw 5106 Rhodesdale Vienna Road Rhodesdale Maryland 21659 410-463-4366 cell 410-943-1212 home [email protected] *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am posting this in case someone is researching this family: GEORGETOWN, Del. (AP)- Sussex County officials say they have found a way to build a pipeline around a grave where 200-year-old human remains were found. The solution will allow about 25 Oak Orchard residents who have been waiting for sewer service for seven years to hook up to a new county system. The group currently relies on individual septic systems. County engineer Mike Izzo says officials identified a 2,000-foot-long pathway that should be clear of more human remains or archaeological items. Officials plan to begin work this fall. The remains were found in an unmarked grave along River Road, off Indian River Bay. State officials say the John and Sarah Waples family owned the property from about the 1820s to the 1860s. The grave dates back to the late 1700s or early 1800s. Regards, Doris

I have long had a username and password to get into mdlandrec.net. When Carol raised the problem concerning getting into the land records, I tried logging in. No matter what I did, it did not work. Today, it works. Go figure. Judy</HTML>

Thanks John for the terminology explanation .......the online program for the Maryland Archives is a bit quirky ......yesterday nothing I would do worked ......this morning I just kept putting a whole series of different user names and passwords and each time I went to a different site I needed to use a different one but I finally made it work ........I even came across a card file that was labeled once Somerset now Sussex ...... I think it was a file that you once said was created by an intern at the archives ......it may not have been complete but it did offer me a couple of new directions to look at as we try to establish who was living in the area around Seaford/ Bridgeville/ St Johnstown area in the 1700's. Thanks again for your help Carol

To straighten things out here: the term "Land Records" is being used in different ways, creating a confusion in this thread. Generally, of course, "land records" can mean any record relating to land. But: "County land records" are the county deeds. These are the basic substance found in mdlandrec. The deeds include not only "land", but any real property or rights being conveyed, including slave sales, manumissions, powers of attorney, performance bonds of various kinds, and other odds and ends. And that's mdlandrec. Just the county deeds. Of the many, many other series of "land records" maintained by the Archives in paper, film and electronic form, a few are either indexed or imaged in plats.net. For genealogical purposes, the most important are the Certificates of Survey, which are imaged and (well, almost) complete. These are the surveyor-submitted records which became the basis of the land patents. They contain the precise legal definition of the tracts, from warrant rights to metes and bounds to plats (a tract outline map). Also in plats.net are Unpatented Certificates of Survey, which never made it through to being patented, for whatever reason. From these submissions, the Land Office created a series of "Patent Volumes", in which clerks transcribed (without the plats) the record of the Certificate of Survey, and later - when patent was awarded - another entry which documented that fact. Plats.net also contains index pointers to the Patent volumes, but not the images of those records themselves. A disappointing and serious limitation of plats.net is that almost all Certificates of Survey prior to 1705 or so were lost. So for most patents prior to 1705 there's nothing more than an index entry on-line, as the Certificate does not exist. This apparently won't be fixed any time in the foreseeable future. Plats.net also contains, irregularly, some other early index pointers to other records, and a large number of later "plats" from other series, down to the present time. Plats.net is accessible to anyone by username=plato and password=plato#. Mdlandrec.net is accessible by application to the MSA via the mdlandrec site. They will assign you a username and password. There has been no change to the above in some years. But about a year ago there was an overhaul of the mdlandrec internal indexing facility which seems to have created some problems, not yet fixed. There was a thread here a month or two back which pointed out someone's difficulty in getting at Somerset Deed Book L (deeds from 1797+) . This was because the new indexing system sends back things from the earlier Deed Book "L 1" (deeds from about 1700). The same sort of problem would seem to apply to any deed books with similar sorts of possible naming confusion. I just checked now, and see that this problem, which was reported, hasn't been rectified. John -----Original Message----- From: CarolS Jones <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, Sep 11, 2010 6:12 pm Subject: Re: [LDR] Maryland Archives what I am looking for are deed transfers/sales -- it appears they are working on an experimental program and a new set of passwords are necessary ....... -------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank Collins" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 5:50 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDR] Maryland Archives > MDLandRec.net has almost all of the original land records for each county. > > Plats.net has records that include plats = several land records, some > patent related records, and a few land commissions. > > Frank > > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 5:05 PM, George Dill <[email protected]> > wrote: >> What is the difference in document contents between records at >> MDLandRec.Net >> and records at www.plats.net? >> >> George >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Frank Collins" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 1:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [LDR] Maryland Archives >> >> >>> Here is the Maryland Land Records link for the archives. >>> >>> http://v3.mdlandrec.net/main/index.cfm >>> >>> Frank >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 4:11 PM, CarolS Jones <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> That worked for the patents but what I had before were deeds filed in >>>> the >>>> 16 >>>> and 17 hundreds in Somerset and Dorchester >>>> but thanks for your help >>>> CJ >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Jimquist" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 2:07 PM >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [LDR] Maryland Archives >>>> >>>>> were you thinking of >>>>> www.plats.net, username plato, password plato#, >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "CarolS Jones" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 7:09 AM >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: [LDR] Maryland Archives >>>>> >>>>>> I seem to have lost my touch with the Maryland Archives ......no >>>>>> matter >>>>>> what password I use I can't seem to find deeds from the 1700's that I >>>>>> used >>>>>> earlier . >>>>>> Has anybody had success recently....... 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what I am looking for are deed transfers/sales -- it appears they are working on an experimental program and a new set of passwords are necessary ....... -------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank Collins" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 5:50 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDR] Maryland Archives > MDLandRec.net has almost all of the original land records for each county. > > Plats.net has records that include plats = several land records, some > patent related records, and a few land commissions. > > Frank > > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 5:05 PM, George Dill <[email protected]> > wrote: >> What is the difference in document contents between records at >> MDLandRec.Net >> and records at www.plats.net? >> >> George >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Frank Collins" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 1:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [LDR] Maryland Archives >> >> >>> Here is the Maryland Land Records link for the archives. >>> >>> http://v3.mdlandrec.net/main/index.cfm >>> >>> Frank >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 4:11 PM, CarolS Jones <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> That worked for the patents but what I had before were deeds filed in >>>> the >>>> 16 >>>> and 17 hundreds in Somerset and Dorchester >>>> but thanks for your help >>>> CJ >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Jimquist" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 2:07 PM >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [LDR] Maryland Archives >>>> >>>>> were you thinking of >>>>> www.plats.net, username plato, password plato#, >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "CarolS Jones" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 7:09 AM >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: [LDR] Maryland Archives >>>>> >>>>>> I seem to have lost my touch with the Maryland Archives ......no >>>>>> matter >>>>>> what password I use I can't seem to find deeds from the 1700's that I >>>>>> used >>>>>> earlier . >>>>>> Has anybody had success recently....... Help needed >>>>>> Carol >>>>>> *************************************** >>>>>> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >>>>>> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >>>>>> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> *************************************** >>>>> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >>>>> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >>>>> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> *************************************** >>>> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >>>> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >>>> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> *************************************** >>> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >>> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >>> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

MDLandRec.net has almost all of the original land records for each county. Plats.net has records that include plats = several land records, some patent related records, and a few land commissions. Frank On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 5:05 PM, George Dill <[email protected]> wrote: > What is the difference in document contents between records at MDLandRec.Net > and records at www.plats.net? > > George > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Collins" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 1:29 PM > Subject: Re: [LDR] Maryland Archives > > >> Here is the Maryland Land Records link for the archives. >> >> http://v3.mdlandrec.net/main/index.cfm >> >> Frank >> >> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 4:11 PM, CarolS Jones <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> That worked for the patents but what I had before were deeds filed in the >>> 16 >>> and 17 hundreds in Somerset and Dorchester >>> but thanks for your help >>> CJ >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Jimquist" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 2:07 PM >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [LDR] Maryland Archives >>> >>>> were you thinking of >>>> www.plats.net, username plato, password plato#, >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "CarolS Jones" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 7:09 AM >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: [LDR] Maryland Archives >>>> >>>>> I seem to have lost my touch with the Maryland Archives ......no matter >>>>> what password I use I can't seem to find deeds from the 1700's that I >>>>> used >>>>> earlier . >>>>> Has anybody had success recently....... Help needed >>>>> Carol >>>>> *************************************** >>>>> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >>>>> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >>>>> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> *************************************** >>>> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >>>> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >>>> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> *************************************** >>> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >>> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >>> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> *************************************** >> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Here is the Maryland Land Records link for the archives. http://v3.mdlandrec.net/main/index.cfm Frank On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 4:11 PM, CarolS Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > That worked for the patents but what I had before were deeds filed in the 16 > and 17 hundreds in Somerset and Dorchester > but thanks for your help > CJ > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jimquist" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 2:07 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LDR] Maryland Archives > >> were you thinking of >> www.plats.net, username plato, password plato#, >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "CarolS Jones" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 7:09 AM >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: [LDR] Maryland Archives >> >>> I seem to have lost my touch with the Maryland Archives ......no matter >>> what password I use I can't seem to find deeds from the 1700's that I >>> used >>> earlier . >>> Has anybody had success recently....... Help needed >>> Carol >>> *************************************** >>> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >>> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >>> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> *************************************** >> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That worked for the patents but what I had before were deeds filed in the 16 and 17 hundreds in Somerset and Dorchester but thanks for your help CJ -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jimquist" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 2:07 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDR] Maryland Archives > were you thinking of > www.plats.net, username plato, password plato#, > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "CarolS Jones" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 7:09 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [LDR] Maryland Archives > >> I seem to have lost my touch with the Maryland Archives ......no matter >> what password I use I can't seem to find deeds from the 1700's that I >> used >> earlier . >> Has anybody had success recently....... Help needed >> Carol >> *************************************** >> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

What is the difference in document contents between records at MDLandRec.Net and records at www.plats.net? George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Collins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] Maryland Archives > Here is the Maryland Land Records link for the archives. > > http://v3.mdlandrec.net/main/index.cfm > > Frank > > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 4:11 PM, CarolS Jones <[email protected]> > wrote: >> That worked for the patents but what I had before were deeds filed in the >> 16 >> and 17 hundreds in Somerset and Dorchester >> but thanks for your help >> CJ >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Jimquist" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 2:07 PM >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [LDR] Maryland Archives >> >>> were you thinking of >>> www.plats.net, username plato, password plato#, >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "CarolS Jones" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 7:09 AM >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [LDR] Maryland Archives >>> >>>> I seem to have lost my touch with the Maryland Archives ......no matter >>>> what password I use I can't seem to find deeds from the 1700's that I >>>> used >>>> earlier . >>>> Has anybody had success recently....... Help needed >>>> Carol >>>> *************************************** >>>> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >>>> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >>>> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> *************************************** >>> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >>> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >>> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> *************************************** >> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

were you thinking of www.plats.net, username plato, password plato#, -------------------------------------------------- From: "CarolS Jones" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 7:09 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [LDR] Maryland Archives > I seem to have lost my touch with the Maryland Archives ......no matter > what password I use I can't seem to find deeds from the 1700's that I used > earlier . > Has anybody had success recently....... Help needed > Carol > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I seem to have lost my touch with the Maryland Archives ......no matter what password I use I can't seem to find deeds from the 1700's that I used earlier . Has anybody had success recently....... Help needed Carol

Lizd wrote > Am I wrong in thinking the wife has to sign off on her thirds in any land > sale or agree to the sale? One thing possibly to take into account for MD deeds, in addition to John's salient "should-be" vs. "was" commentary, is the "custom" vs. "law" divide. It wasn't until a supreme court decision of ?1817 or 1819 ? (darned if I can remember) that a wife's dower right was codifed as a matter of MD law rather than as an assumption within English Common Law. I think this case has been mentioned in this list, maybe a year or two ago. I have not seen court cases regarding Eastern Shore lands where a widow sued for her dower right and was denied - maybe others can fill in some blanks here. Elsewhere, the same law vs. practice divide occurred with great frequency. In some instances my suspicion is that the wife viewed her dower right as a bank that she could cash in on later. There are many instances where a widow sold her dower interest for cash money (that was now hers), decades after death of a husband. In one instance this was a delightful event, where the widow Sarah in 1817 signed off her dower right when a son sold his land bequeathed by his father's will of 1800. This was the only evidence found concerning her survival to that date, as she had not appeared on tax lists concerning chattels or concerning the lands bequeathed to sons by hubby's will. It also helped identify the son as son of his father, over and above the land's location, in the context of there being many persons in the vicinity by the same surname. Good hunting, Judy </HTML>

----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] You wouldn't have any more information on the John Davis' Acquango would you?  _____________________________ Its my believe, though without any hard evidence, that John Davis (Mill), or John Davis of Acquango as you call him (though there were at least three John Davises in Acquango on the 1783 Worcester Tax List), is the John who married Martha (Givans?) Reed. Circumstantial evidence: The John Davis who married Martha Reed was dead by 1784, based on Wor. Orphans Ct. JW19:143 which you shared with the list. 3May1783 - John Davis (son of John deceased) sold to James Dale (son of John Dale Inspector) 138 acres of Hog Quarter granted 30Sep1770 to John Davis father of the above John Davis near Maple Swamp [Wor. K:525]. As John Lyon mentioned earlier in his excellent synopsis of the Givan-Reed family, James Dale was married to Margaret, one of the two daughters of John & Martha Reed Sr. If, as I suspect, this deceased John was the husband of Martha, then the John in this deed is the son of John Davis & Martha. In the 1784 Wor. Tax List, Jacob Reed is recorded with 6 acres of End of Dispute, along with other tracts. Jacob, who d. in 1773, was the son of John Reed Sr. & Martha. In 1790, William Rownd buys 143 acres of Hogs Den from Benjamin Davis of Ishmael [Wor. N:307]. Hogs Den was adjacent to part of End of Dispute. In later years, Rownd buys parts of End of Dispute. William Rownd had married Martha, John Reed Sr.'s other daughter, c1765. Certainly not conclusive, but all three of Martha's children by John Reed Sr. having property from or adjacent to their half brother John Davis seems compelling. George

If it seems likely that the John Davis Martha married was the John Davis who bought Riley's Portion in 1753, then how do we explain that John's wife Martha did not sign the deed to sell Riley's Portion in 1764 yet she signed a Somerset deed in 1768? I've looked at the original online and no wife signed in 1764. Was Worcester county less strict about having the wife sign off? Could that explain why no John Davis deeds have any wife agreeing to the sales? Am I wrong in thinking the wife has to sign off on her thirds in any land sale or agree to the sale? Maybe I made that rule up! Now that I think about it, I realize I don't know the law at all on land sales and just assumed the wife had to sign as well if the seller were married unless there was a marriage contract that reserved certain land for one of the spouses only. Any help on this? This has been a fun discussion. 1764 Indenture Liber F folio 105-106 WORCESTER County Grantor: John Davis Grantee: Nathaniel Brittingham April 6 1764 Riley's Portion contained 200 acres on the east side of a branch called Tamfett? branch, John Davis sells 9 acres of Riley's Portion to Nathaniel Brittingham. No wife signed the deed. 4Nov1768, recorded 16Nov1768 -- Som. L.R. 25:242 Deed -- John & Martha (his wife) Davis of Worcester Co. sold to Thomas Moor of Somerset Co. in consideration of complying with the condition of a bond executed 14Feb1744 by John Read Junr. who was the former husband of the afsd. Martha and for £8 - 150 acres of Green Meadow; witnessed by Jno. Scarborough, Ad. Spence, two Justices of the Peace; signed John Davis, Martha Davis.

You're quite right to ask the question. A wife was supposed to release dower rights. Even so, after having indexed every one of many thousands of Somerset and Worcester deeds before 1776 and many beyond,, I can tell you that in practice it was not always done ... I have seen cases in which more than one sale took place on the same day or about the same time, in which the dower release was made on one, but not on another. I've also run into others in which the release was not made, but at some later time (maybe years later), another deed pops up for the same transaction in which the dower stipulation had been added, obviously because someone had questioned the rights... All I can say is that, laws aside, the lack of such a release is not at all to be taken as a proof that there was no wife in the wings. You are best advised to look at this as an "asterisked record", not at all as an exclusionary absolute. As to whether this occurred more frequently in one county than in another, or if there might have been a particular set of clerks who failed to verify all legalities, I haven't tried to assess. This is only one case type for irregularities or missing mass or lack of clarity in the land records. The business with GREEN MEADOW is another, in which one normally would expect a rationalization of John Callaway's rights to make the resurvey of James Givan's old patent. But not here. Eventually all this stuff either got fixed (or forgotten, waiting, it seems, for me to find it). To quote Don Quixote de la Mancha, "I have seen the world as it is, and not as it should be..." John John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] If it seems likely that the John Davis Martha married was the John Davis who bought Riley's Portion in 1753, then how do we explain that John's wife Martha did not sign the deed to sell Riley's Portion in 1764 yet she signed a Somerset deed in 1768?

John Davis of Nanticoke Looking through the tax lists the first John Davis we find in Nanticoke appeared for two years in someone else's household BUT suddenly in 1749 when John Reed had died, a John Davis appears as head of household in Nanticoke with a couple of slaves and he appears to live next door or near Hezekiah Reed: Normal 0 false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} Year: 1749; Hundred: NANTICOKE; Household Number: 55 Name: Davis, John; Standardized Name: DAVIS, JOHN; Status: HEAD - TAXED MSA No: C1812-23-70258 Year: 1749; Hundred: NANTICOKE; Household Number: 55 Name: Hannah; Status: DEPENDENT MSA No: C1812-23-70259 Year: 1749; Hundred: NANTICOKE; Household Number: 55 Name: Marcus; Status: DEPENDENT MSA No: C1812-23-70260 Year: 1749; Hundred: NANTICOKE; Household Number: 56 Name: Read, Hezaciah; Standardized Name: READ, HEZEKIAH; Status: HEAD - TAXED MSA No: C1812-23-70261 compare slaves: John Davis in 1749 appears to have the same slaves as John Read had in 1747 Normal 0 false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 st1\:*{behavior:url(#ieooui) } /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} Normal 0 false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 st1\:*{behavior:url(#ieooui) } /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} Normal 0 false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 st1\:*{behavior:url(#ieooui) } /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} Normal 0 false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 st1\:*{behavior:url(#ieooui) } /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} Year: 1747; Hundred: NANTICOKE; Household Number: 61 Name: Read, John jr.; Standardized Name: READ, JOHN; Status: HEAD - TAXED MSA No: C1812-21-65044 Year: 1747; Hundred: NANTICOKE; Household Number: 61 Name: Hanah; Status: DEPENDENT MSA No: C1812-21-65045 Year: 1747; Hundred: NANTICOKE; Household Number: 61 Name: Mereare; Status: DEPENDENT MSA No: C1812-21-65046 The situation remains the same for 1750 and 1751and then poof he's gone. (Note it is in 1753 that a John Davis with no wife perhaps buys Riley's Portion in Acquango/Bogerternorton in the early tax lists). Again in 1756 a John Davis appears in Nanticoke and in 1757 this John Davis has a son John Davis AND there is yet another John Davis in Nanticoke with no dependents. And that is it for Nanticoke. Sadly, the tax lists do not permit us to peek into Bogerternorton after 1740 (where we know there was a John Davis in the family of Robert Davis, Abisha Davis etc.)I'm not sure what this tells us other than what we appear to already know and that is John Davis m. the widow Reed and moved in 1752-3 out of the area of the tax lists. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:54:17 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [LDR] George, John Lyon re JOHN DAVIS new puzzle/conclusion ok so thanks to George Riggen we have a deed with a wife Martha for one John Davis: 4Nov1768, recorded 16Nov1768 -- Som. L.R. 25:242 Deed -- John & Martha (his wife) Davis of Worcester Co. sold to Thomas Moor of Somerset Co. in consideration of complying with the condition of a bond executed 14Feb1744 by John Read Junr. who was the former husband of the afsd. Martha and for £8 - 150 acres of Green Meadow; witnessed by Jno. Scarborough, Ad. Spence, two Justices of the Peace; signed John Davis, Martha Davis. However, This John Davis who owned Riley's Purchase: 1753 Indenture (James Truitt was in Bogerternorton in 1740 described as acquango 1783 tax list ) Worcester County Grantor: James Truitt, planter Grantee: John Davis, planter 8 March 1753 9 March 1753 That Lord Baltimore granted to James Truitt all that tract situated on the easternmost side and near the head of a neck called Askincompson Neck containing 200 acres according to Survey dated 10 October 1706. Now James Truitt, son of James Truitt deceased, for 45 pounds, conveys all that tract called Ryley's Portion. Beginning at a red oak standing near a point and on the northernmost side of a branch issuing out of Pocomoke River dividing the land now conveyed from a tract formerly surveyed for John Truitt Before: J. Scarborough, John Purnell Wo Debt book: Davis John Davis Rileys Portion 1755 Due 0-8-0 John Davis sold some of Riley's portion in 1764, after John Davis was married to Martha and while John Davis was living and still married to Martha: 1764 Indenture Liber F folio 105-106 Grantor: John Davis Grantee: Nathaniel Brittingham April 6 1764 Riley's Portion contained 200 acres on the east side of a branch called Tamfett? branch, John Davis sells 9 acres of Riley's Portion to Nathaniel Brittingham. No wife signed the deed. Therefore, I suppose we can conclude that the John Davis who bought Riley's Portion 1753 is NOT the John Davis who married Martha Given Reed Any thoughts? ----- Original Message ----- From: George F. Riggin To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 01:08:48 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [LDR] Askinemkonson (sp?) Neck John Lyon re JOHN DAVIS -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Thanks for the Orphans Court citation. Martha was almost inevitably the daughter of James Givan, with many evidences pointing that way. An interesting Givan question is the motivation for several of this family to have apparently moved from the Rewastico Creek and Nanticoke/Quantico area to this area near the Pocomoke. There are a number of fairly intricate connective threads suggesting relationships not yet sorted out, involving the Givans and the Rownds. These mostly show up in the Judicial Records, which still need some more plumbing. _________________________ Two additional sources for Martha Davis being the widow of John Reed Jr.: 16Sep1749 -- Som. Acct. EB12:5/MD 15:126 Account & Distribution -- John Read Junr., Somerset Co., Deceased -administrators: John & Martha (his wife) Davis. -sureteys: Benj. Vennables, William Givans. More interestingly: 4Nov1768, recorded 16Nov1768 -- Som. L.R. 25:242 Deed -- John & Martha (his wife) Davis of Worcester Co. sold to Thomas Moor of Somerset Co. in consideration of complying with the condition of a bond executed 14Feb1744 by John Read Junr. who was the farmer husband of the afsd. Martha and for £8 - 150 acres of Green Meadow; witnessed by Jno. Scarborough, Ad. Spence, two Justices of the Peace; signed John Davis, Martha Davis. While John Reed Jr. (and heirs) are listed in the Somerset debt book from 1745 to 1761 with 75 acres of Green Meadow, I have seen no record of how he acquired it, or of the aforementioned bond. And while I don't like to assume (much too risky), it is tempting to consider that this is the same 150 acres of Green Meadow mentioned in John Callaway's 1755 resurvey as having been originally patented to James Givans 29Sep1694. However, proving that is above my present pay grade, and I'll have to leave this one to John. George *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? 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The previous two messages appear out of the intended order because the one responding to George was kicked back mysteriously - twice - before I gave up just "ANSWER" and sent it otherwise. I've had this problem a few times lately, only to this list. John