Hi Paul I think we were in touch a while ago, weren't we? One chap I know who is also descended from the Shipton Moyne Lovelocks is : Geoffrey Isaac address: "Blaenyr Oerfa" Tynygraig , Ystrad Meurig , Ceredigion, SY 25 6AH \tel: 01974 261589 EMAIL ; fhmage @lineone.net -at least that was his email when I contacted him in November 2001 , Geoffrey , who is 72 , is descended from Elizabeth Lovelock b 1799 Shipton Moyne who married John Rickards . I am from Elizabeths sister Maria, who married my 2xgreat Charles Tanner . As you know, Elizabeth and Maria were both daughters of Thomas Lovelock and his wife Mary nee Saunders. I believe that Thomas's father was Richard ... but have been stuck on any further links ... Another person from the same line is : Janet Taulbut 40 Crawte Avenue Holbury Southampton SO 45 2GQ who is also from the Rickard marriage . Janet and I exchanged info a couple of years ago -I dont have an email address for her . Cheers for now Steve Tanner from a steamy Carmarthen