I freely admit that I am getting a bit lost with messages appearing from unexpected directions. However, at least this one did not require me to put my thinking cap on. Having said that, beware, James, the death location of Edwin Waters : as per my communication of last week, I suspect he actually died in Little Bedwyn, being a resident of Chisbury Lane there at the time he died. RED HERRING ALERT !!! Edwin Waters mother's maiden name was Eliza Stagg. The Staggs were a pretty large family and probably married into every other family for miles around at one time or another. And now we discover that Flora the daughter-in-law of James L and Honor Gigg was also a Stagg. By the way, Edwin Waters and Elizabeth L also had a daughter Emily born in Little Bedwyn in 1878, according to Ken. AND, apparently Henry Hillier and Elizabeth L also had: Rose born abt 1882 (1891 Census) Sarah Louisa born abt 1887 (1891 Census) Graham > Hello all, > > Graham may have already mentioned it, but you missed at least one John Lovelock from your list - the progenitor of Fragment 10 (Graham's maternal line - I think there may be other list members connected to this line; please shout out!) John Lovelock b Abt. 1740, mar Elizabeth Cruse, Tidcombe Wilts 18 May 1761. > > Here is what I have in my database for the descendent tree for Elizabeth L and Edwin Waters (Ken Gigg's branch): > > 1-Edwin Waters b. 19 Oct 1846, Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England, d. 22 Dec 1915, Chisbury, Wilts., England > +Elizabeth Lovelock b. 21 Sep 1846, Pewsey, Wiltshire, England, bap. 19 Oct 1846, Savernake, Wilts., England, m.: 11 Dec 1876, Savernake, Wilts., > England, par. David Lovelock and Martha Yeates > |----2-William Waters b. Abt 1878, Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England > |----2-John Waters b. Abt 1880, Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England > |----2-Martha Waters b. 10 Jun 1885, Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England, d. 4 Sep 1945, Marlborough, Wiltshire, England > +Albert Edward Gigg b. 26 Dec 1879, Great Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England, d.20 Jun 1953, Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England, m.: 30 May 1905, > Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England, par. Henry William Gigg and Mary Johnson > |----3-Henry Edwin Gigg b. 19 Jan 1908, Great Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England, d. 19 Jul 1983, Southampton, Hants., England > +Irene Kate Dunn , par. William Charles Dunn and Kate Hicks > |----4-Kenneth Arthur Gigg > +Elsie May Barrett > > > And here is the family of Henry Hillier and Elizabeth L: > > 1-Henry Hillier b. Abt 1845 > +Elizabeth Lovelock b. 8 Jun 1848, District Of Great Bedwyn, Sub-District Of Hungerford, bap. 14 Jul 1848, East Grafton, Wiltshire, England, d. 10 Jan > 1915, m.: 1 Feb 1868, East Grafton, Wiltshire, England, par. Daniel Lovelock and Ann Chouls > |----2-William Albert Hillier bap. 29 May 1870, Burbage, Wiltshire, England, d.10 Dec 1878 > |----2-Kate Hillier bap. 17 Oct 1875, Burbage, Wiltshire, England, d. 29 May 1876 > |----2-Flora Kate Hillier b. 6 Apr 1877, bap. 14 Oct 1877, Burbage, Wiltshire, England, d. 7 Jan 1878 > |----2-Mary Maria Hillier bap. 13 Apr 1879, Burbage, Wiltshire, England > |----2-Florence K. Hillier bap. 5 Jun 1881, Burbage, Wiltshire, England > |----2-Lily Hillier b. 12 Nov 1885, Pewsey, Wiltshire, England, d. 10 Sep 1914 > |----2-Dora E. Hillier bap. 13 Oct 1889, Burbage, Wiltshire, England > > > Regards, > > James > > Robert Sterry wrote: > > >Well guys, you've certainly been making the dust fly over the past couple of weeks. I must admit I'm thoroughly enjoying the discussion. However, I only > >found time today to actually catch up with it properly. You're certainly clearing up a few queries. I wish I could add something to the debate but I > >believe you've take it about as far as it will stretch with the available data. > > > >I had a bit of a play around with those John Lovelocks - why is it always John Lovelocks that seem to cause all the problems [sorry John ;-) ] - born > >about 1840. But there were too many to sort them out - and many of them haven't even been entered yet into the Lieflock tree yet! I went looking for > >the possible baptisms of the John Lovelock who married Elizabeth Bromham at Wootton Rivers in 1765. > > > >Possibilities included: > >1743 Ethilhampton > >1739 Ramsbury [now that one's familiar! ;-) ] > >1736 Tidcombe X2 > >1740 Wootton Rivers (the most likely I guess) > >1744 Wroughton > >1739 Easton Royal > > > >In fact the only one of these I have entered into the Lieflock tree is the one for Easton Royal! So much work still to do! > > > >In the meantime, I wonder if I could get from either of you - when you finally agree on it - all the offspring of Henry Hillier and Elizabeth > >Lovelock and the line of descent of Ken Gigg from, I believe, Elizabeth Lovelock and Edwin Waters. > > > >Keep up the great work gentlemen. Looking forward to your next instalment. > > > >Robert

Graham Lovelock wrote: >Having said that, beware, James, the death location of Edwin Waters : as per >my communication of last week, I suspect he actually died in Little Bedwyn, >being a resident of Chisbury Lane there at the time he died. > Yes, I've now corrected this. >RED HERRING ALERT !!! > >Edwin Waters mother's maiden name was Eliza Stagg. The Staggs were a pretty >large family and probably married into every other family for miles around >at one time or another. And now we discover that Flora the daughter-in-law >of James L and Honor Gigg was also a Stagg. > >By the way, Edwin Waters and Elizabeth L also had a daughter Emily born in >Little Bedwyn in 1878, according to Ken. > OK I've entered this daughter, source assignement Ken Gigg. > >AND, apparently Henry Hillier and Elizabeth L also had: > >Rose born abt 1882 (1891 Census) >Sarah Louisa born abt 1887 (1891 Census) > > Entered, together with the other 3 children for which you provided evidence via census records. Regards, James > >