Top Tip : keep me out of the archives. Dear All Another one I have uncovered is the challenge Robert set us on 6 November 2000 to determine the identity of the great-grandparents of William Oliver Lovelock. On 16 November 2000 yours truly posted something which he was not sure constituted the sleuthing Robert had requested, but rather might have been the scattering of a few red herrings. I do not recall any further messages on the topic, and again there are no more in the archive string. Anybody else want to take up Robert's challenge? Regards Graham in an unfairly chilly, considering the days of late, but soon to be wet and miserable Yate S Glos England (Apologies for omitting the location essentials on my previous)