Robert, and all The 1881 family below is the correct one. I suspect that the visitor Ann Brewer is Elizabeth's sister. Some of the information I have is based on correspondence from over 2 years ago, and is not accessible from this machine. Remind me to check whether it is still on my other piano. I suspect that Charlotte and Philip married in the Lambeth RD in the March quarter of 1874. Certainly a Charlotte did, as you will find on FreeBMD, but for once there are only three names recorded for the Register page. The 1874 images are not available yet, so can't get any further with that. The first of the other two children of the couple that I know of is a Henry George, born in the June quarter of 1884 in the Wandsworth RD, who married at in the Holywell, Flintshire RD (Malcolm's neck of the woods) a Rosa Maud Mary Jessett on 21 Aug 1909. Curiously Rosa was born in Wandsworth as well, so I wonder what took them to Flintshire? Charlotte died in the Holywell RD in the June quarter of 1920, so had presumably gone to live with George and Rosa. The fifth child of Charlotte and Philip was Francis, aged 14 in 1901 and born in Battersea (but not in FreeBMD). With respect to Sarah Ann, Free BMD has no death of a Sarah Ann Peck that would explain her absence from the 1901, nor of a Sarah Ann Powell in the Hungerford RD. However (RED HERRING WARNING !!!) by coincidence I did note the death of a Sarah Ann Pwell in the Holywell RD in June quarter of 1886 aged 21.......... Your move ......... Regards Graham From: "Robert Sterry" <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:03:46 +1100 Greetings all I found the recent exchange on this illegitimate daughter of George Lovelock and Eliza Fisher most interesting. I had also wondered which of George's daughter's she belonged to? I was interested in Graham's comment that George's daughter Elizabeth married Philip Winder and finished up in London. I did not have this detail - just the name of her husband. I checked the 1881. I assume this is Elizabeth and Philip Winder: Dwelling: 1 Milson Place Census Place: Lambeth, Surrey, England Source: FHL Film 1341139 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0606 Folio 141 Page 47 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Philip WINDER M 42 M Sussex, England Rel: Head Occ: Labourer Charlotte WINDER M 35 F West Grafton, Wiltshire, England Rel: Wife Alice WINDER 7 F St Georges In The East Rel: Dau Mark WINDER 4 M Canning Town W Ham Rel: Son Annie WINDER 2 m F Canning Town W Ham Rel: Dau Ann BREWER 30 F West Grafton, Wiltshire, England Rel: Visitor However, Graham says they had 5 children and that only accounts for three of them. Graham, could I possibly have the marriage detail of Elizabeth Lovelock and Philip Winder and the details on their other two children please? Many thanks. I also checked the 1881 for Sarah Ann Lovelock. But had no more success than Graham. Perhaps she gave a false place of birth? I found the marriage of Sarah Ann at Hungerford RD in 1886 that Graham refers to in the FreeBMD. This gave two possible husbands: James Peck or Joseph Powell. But a search of the 1901 census for either a Sarah Peck or Powell produced no result. Robert Robert ---------------------------------------------- Robert Sterry 9 Baileys Lane, Kurrajong Hills NSW 2758 AUSTRALIA Ph: (61)0245 731805 FAX: (61) 0245731022 Email: [email protected] ==== LOVELOCK Mailing List ==== Lovelock family history Web pages: http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo