A little more to add to the pot: In the 1881 Census 8 year old Henry J Brewer was recorded as a Boarder with George and Eliza Lovelock at Great Bedwyn. Strange that he was not recorded as a grandson if Ann had married Henry Brewer in 1871. Henry J's place of birth was recorded as Great Bedwyn, but by 1901 he had joined the Wiltshire exodus to London and was a General Labourer, single, living in Battersea, and giving Grafton as his place of birth. With respect to the 1896 Lovelock-Winder marriage I can't think of anything to say, except well tracked down, Robert. And excellent news that we now know what became of Elizabeth as well. Lots of minor adjustments to the Lieflock Line in the offing! Regards Graham Robert wrote: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:39:47 +1100 I decided to also check FreeBMD for that Lovelock-Winder marriage and came across this unexpected find: Surname First name(s) District Vol Page ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Marriages Jun 1896 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Curtis Alfred Kensington 1a 210 Lovelock Charlotte Kensington 1a 210 Treble Kate Kensington 1a 210 Winder Philip Kensington 1a 210 What do you make of that? I wondered if in fact they had married previously in perhaps some non-conformist church and then later married in the C of E for some reason. I checked Ancestral Trails for any such precedents at this time. But the requirement for Catholics and Protestant dissenters to be married in the Anglican church (as well as their own if they wished to be legal) ended in 1837. If they weren't legally married, this might of course effect inheritance rights. Perhaps they really didn't marry until 1896??? However, regarding the visitor Ann Brewer, I checked FreeBMD to see if an Ann Lovelock had in fact ever married a BREWER and found one match: Surname First name(s) District Vol Page ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Marriages Dec 1871 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Brewer Henry Reading 2c 814 Gould George Reading 2c 814 Lovelock Ann Reading 2c 814 Wright Martha Reading 2c 814 What do you think? Ann's age and place of birth is right in the 1881 census extract and the date is spot on for a 'shotgun' marriage as Ann has her illegitimate son William abt June of the same year! And Reading's far enough away from home to save any family embarrassment. I also checked for any likely marriages for their sister Elizabeth. The most likely was: Surname First name(s) District Vol Page ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Marriages Mar 1870 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Gerard Thomas Bowen Kensington 1a 60 Lovelock Elizabeth Kensington 1a 60 REVELL Charles Arthur Kensington 1a 60 YOUNG Clara Kensington 1a 60 Then searched 1881 for an Elizabeth REVELL or GERARD born abt 1849 West Grafton. Bingo!!! Dwelling: 352 Portobello Rd Census Place: Kensington, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341009 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0038 Folio 127 Page 7 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Charles REVELL M 30 M Hammersmith, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: Boot Maker Elizabeth REVELL M 32 F West Grafton, Wiltshire, England Rel: Wife Occ: Boot Maker Charles G. REVELL 10 M West Grafton, Wiltshire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Arthur W REVELL 8 M Hammersmith, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Elizabeth A. REVELL 7 F Battersea, Surrey, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Sydney A. REVELL 3 M Kensington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Charles REVELL M 84 M London St Martin In Fields , Middlesex, England Rel: Father Occ: No Occupation Martha REVELL M 69 F Hammersmith, Middlesex, England Rel: Mother Occ: No Occupation But still no sign of that elusive illegitimate Sarah Ann Lovelock. _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger