Hello everyone - especially Graham (for reasons which will emerge). Leafing through some papers I noticed that some time ago (date uncertain!) I'd highlighted an item under Pewsey Marriages in 'Lovelocks in Wiltshire by Parish'; namely: 1857 Mar 31 John Lovelock of Wootton Rivers & Clara Stone. I'd also highlighted two Pewsey deaths, which I took to be those of the aforementioned John and Clara: he 1881 Feb 26 aged 64 and she 1902 Jan 12 aged 81. Rereading a note I'd made alongside the marriage entry I recalled one of Graham's postings to the list, and happily I've managed to relocate it: From: "Graham Lovelock" <[email protected]> Subject: Yet another (with apologies to those on the Mailing List) John Lovelock Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 22:48:54 +0100 Good evening from Yate Does anyone know anything of the John Lovelock, a Shoemaker, who died aged 64 on 22 February 1881 in Pewsey? Or of any relationship between him and an Emma Stagg? Is he the one baptised at Hungerford on 14 April 1816, the son of James and Lucy? And if so, does anyone have any idea who James and Lucy are? Regards Graham As far as I can tell nobody has responded to Graham's request. The connection in my mind was 'Shoemaker'. My main interest was/is in the Wootton Rivers reference. The 1851 Census for Wootton Rivers includes the following household: Catherine Lovelock, 63, Head, Shoebinder (Widow), Birthplace WR John, 33, Son, Boot and Shoe Maker, Birthplace WR Martha Lane, 17, Gd-Daur I was/am fairly certain that this Catherine's maiden name was Haywood, c. 20 Oct 1788 at WR, in which case her late husband was Thomas Lovelock, who she married at WR on 22 Oct 1811 (see p. 3 of the latest version (pdf) of the Lieflock line). Thomas was buried at WR on 20 Dec 1849 - although there has been some discussion [see Graham's original comment (ooo) on the Lieflock line and subsequent exchanges] of whether that burial was in fact of another John L. c. abt April/May 1790 at Milton Lilbourne, son of William L. and Mary Allen, and indeed the stated age at death (59) seems a better fit with the latter. (Thomas [c. 25 Aug 1793] was a son of John Lovelock [b. abt 1753 at Easton Royal] and Elizabeth Hancock, and a younger brother of John Lovelock c. 31 Aug 1788, whose recent identification as having married Elizabeth Hillier at Preshute 10 Aug 1813 has linked a WR Lovelock line (from which I am descended) with the Lieflock tree.) Among the children of Catherine and Th! omas was John c. 29 Dec 1816 at WR. (I think I am right in thinking that neither John nor his elder sister Ann c. 25 Sep 1814 appeared in versions of the Lieflock line prior to this most recent one - although three other children of Thomas and Catherine did; perhaps this was perhaps why, having looked to the WR census data, I did not make the connection until now with Graham's email. So my suggestion is that the John Lovelock who died on 22 Feb 1881 (or was buried on 26th?) aged 64 is the same man married in Pewsey in 1857 (i.e. then aged 40 - Clara would have been about 36 then) and also the same John L living with his mother in Wootton Rivers in 1851 aged 33; could the apparent slight age discrepancies with both marriage and census ages be partially explained by a 'late' baptism? (Martha Lane could presumably be the daughter of one of Catherine's (married?) daughter's; we have Ann shown as marrying James Bunce, but we know of three other daughters.) Further evidence, supportive or otherwise? Free BMD has the deaths of both John and Clara Lovelock as quoted above from PRs via 'Lovelocks in Wiltshire by Parish'; but I can find nothing on the marriage. The IGI seems to have neither the marriage nor either death. (I haven't got much experience of using either, so I may have screwed up!) Free BMD does have a record of a death which could well be that of Catherine (nee Haywood): Catherine Lovelock, aged 78, Marlborough District, vol. 5a p. 57, March quarter 1867. The current Lieflock line file does not have a death or burial for Catherine, wife of Thomas. If the John who married aged about 40 in 1857 was her son, she might very well have moved, perhaps to live with another of her children and family, perhaps nearer to or in Marlborough. No member of the household referred to above from the 1851 Census, Wootton Rivers, appears there 10 years later. Back to you Graham - and others of course. Best wishes from a sunny, but increasingly autumnal-feeling, Southampton Robin