Hi Robin Some very good suggestions there. So here's my tuppence worth. I believe that you are quite correct. The John, who was the shoemaker in the 1851 census: Pewsey Registration District Address: Wootton Rivers Catherine Lovelock, Head, 63, Shoebinder (widow), born Wootton Rivers John Lovelock, Son, 33, Boot and Shoe Maker, born Wootton Rivers Martha Lane, Gd-Daur, 17 is very likely the same John who was buried in 1881 at Pewsey: 1881 Feb 26 John Lovelock, aged 64 This burial has not yet been placed in any main Lovelock tree. I also think it likely that Catherine Lovelock in the 1851 census is indeed Catherine Haywood who married Thomas in 1811. Thomas had died in 1849 and, as a widow, poor old Catherine would have certainly had to try and bring in some income. What is perhaps less certain is whether this same John married Clara Stone. Marrying so late at age 40 is unusual but perhaps he was left to look after his aging and possibly invalid parents. John and Clara don't appear to have had any children and certainly Clara appears to have been buried at the right place at about the right time. That all fits rather nicely. We really need to check the 1861 or 1871 census for Pewsey to be sure. Is the 1871 census available through Ancestry.co? Like at SOG, I can access (for free) Ancestry.com at the Society of Australian Genealogists (SAG). If they've indexed Pewsey, I'll check next week when I'm down there. Best wishes Robert PS Just found Graham's post back to you along same lines. > -----Original Message----- > From: ROBIN LOVELOCK [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, 16 September 2004 4:39 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Yet another (with apologies to those on the > Mailing List) John Lovelock > > > Hello everyone - especially Graham (for reasons which will emerge). > > Leafing through some papers I noticed that some time ago > (date uncertain!) I'd highlighted an item under Pewsey > Marriages in 'Lovelocks in Wiltshire by Parish'; namely: 1857 > Mar 31 John Lovelock of Wootton Rivers & Clara Stone. I'd > also highlighted two Pewsey deaths, which I took to be those > of the aforementioned John and Clara: he 1881 Feb 26 aged 64 > and she 1902 Jan 12 aged 81. > > Rereading a note I'd made alongside the marriage entry I > recalled one of Graham's postings to the list, and happily > I've managed to relocate it: > > From: "Graham Lovelock" <[email protected]> > Subject: Yet another (with apologies to those on the Mailing > List) John Lovelock > Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 22:48:54 +0100 > Good evening from Yate > > Does anyone know anything of the John Lovelock, a Shoemaker, > who died aged 64 on 22 February 1881 in Pewsey? > > Or of any relationship between him and an Emma Stagg? > > Is he the one baptised at Hungerford > on 14 April 1816, the son of James and Lucy? And if so, does > anyone have any idea who James and Lucy are? > > Regards > > Graham > > As far as I can tell nobody has responded to Graham's request. > > The connection in my mind was 'Shoemaker'. My main interest > was/is in the Wootton Rivers reference. > > The 1851 Census for Wootton Rivers includes the following household: > > Catherine Lovelock, 63, Head, Shoebinder (Widow), Birthplace > WR John, 33, Son, Boot and Shoe Maker, Birthplace WR Martha > Lane, 17, Gd-Daur > > I was/am fairly certain that this Catherine's maiden name was > Haywood, c. 20 Oct 1788 at WR, in which case her late husband > was Thomas Lovelock, who she married at WR on 22 Oct 1811 > (see p. 3 of the latest version (pdf) of the Lieflock line). > Thomas was buried at WR on 20 Dec 1849 - although there has > been some discussion [see Graham's original comment (ooo) on > the Lieflock line and subsequent exchanges] of whether that > burial was in fact of another John L. c. abt April/May 1790 > at Milton Lilbourne, son of William L. and Mary Allen, and > indeed the stated age at death (59) seems a better fit with > the latter. (Thomas [c. 25 Aug 1793] was a son of John > Lovelock [b. abt 1753 at Easton Royal] and Elizabeth Hancock, > and a younger brother of John Lovelock c. 31 Aug 1788, whose > recent identification as having married Elizabeth Hillier at > Preshute 10 Aug 1813 has linked a WR Lovelock line (from > which I am descended) with the Lieflock tree.) Among the > children of Catherine and Th! > omas was John c. 29 Dec 1816 at WR. (I think I am right in > thinking that neither John nor his elder sister Ann c. 25 Sep > 1814 appeared in versions of the Lieflock line prior to this > most recent one - although three other children of Thomas and > Catherine did; perhaps this was perhaps why, having looked to > the WR census data, I did not make the connection until now > with Graham's email. > > So my suggestion is that the John Lovelock who died on 22 Feb > 1881 (or was buried on 26th?) aged 64 is the same man married > in Pewsey in 1857 (i.e. then aged 40 - Clara would have been > about 36 then) and also the same John L living with his > mother in Wootton Rivers in 1851 aged 33; could the apparent > slight age discrepancies with both marriage and census ages > be partially explained by a 'late' baptism? (Martha Lane > could presumably be the daughter of one of Catherine's > (married?) daughter's; we have Ann shown as marrying James > Bunce, but we know of three other daughters.) > > Further evidence, supportive or otherwise? Free BMD has the > deaths of both John and Clara Lovelock as quoted above from > PRs via 'Lovelocks in Wiltshire by Parish'; but I can find > nothing on the marriage. The IGI seems to have neither the > marriage nor either death. (I haven't got much experience of > using either, so I may have screwed up!) > > Free BMD does have a record of a death which could well be > that of Catherine (nee Haywood): Catherine Lovelock, aged 78, > Marlborough District, vol. 5a p. 57, March quarter 1867. The > current Lieflock line file does not have a death or burial > for Catherine, wife of Thomas. If the John who married aged > about 40 in 1857 was her son, she might very well have moved, > perhaps to live with another of her children and family, > perhaps nearer to or in Marlborough. No member of the > household referred to above from the 1851 Census, Wootton > Rivers, appears there 10 years later. > > Back to you Graham - and others of course. > > Best wishes from a sunny, but increasingly autumnal-feeling, > Southampton > > Robin > > > > > ==== LOVELOCK Mailing List ==== > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237