Greetings Graham Who's the quick one??? I was actually hoping you'd take a little longer to reply. I'm feeling a little snowed under! This discussion also has implications of course for the origins of the Lyneham line so am broadcasting to the list. Let's see if we get any other ideas on this one. Cheers Robert > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Lovelock [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, 6 September 2004 6:26 AM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: RE: Wroughton/Tidcombe Fragment > > > My response to Robert's comments (there's a familiar tune!) > is in capitals. Thank you for getting back so quickly, > Robert. > > Graham > > > > Couldn't the John who was buried in 1767 aged 51 (and > therefore born abt > 1716) have been either the John who married Elizabeth Cheeker > or the John > who married Grace Crook? > YES, IT COULD, ROBERT. JUST ME JUMPING TO A CONCLUSION. > STRIKE IT FROM THE > RECORD. > What was your reason for attributing this burial to either > one of the Johns > please Graham? > > I assume one of these of these was the son of Abraham snr. > who married > Priscilla Greenoway in 1689 and had four children - Abraham, > Edward, Thomas > and John between 1690 and 1698. The family appear in the census for > Wroughton in 1700 and 1701. But which John was which? Abraham > snr seems to > have expired quite young in 1703 as his son Abraham jnr did > not die until > 1767. Priscilla lived on to 1737! > > I had a good look at the burials - as these are obviously > pretty important > here - especially the John buried in 1741. Since there are > two John births > to John and Elizabeth in 1770 and 1744, I assume this is > likely to be the > John buried here. > AGREED. > > The John who married Grace Crook in 1734 had several children > at Wroughton > between 1738 and 1741. Grace looks like she died in 1783 but > where is the > death of her husband John? We have two Johns and only the one > death in 1767! > Damn. > AND WITH THE BAPTISM GAP BETWEEN 1698 AND 1738 WE'RE BOUND TO > BE STRUGGLING. > > The burial of John L in 1785 is probably John L bp 1785 to > Thomas L and Mary > Carpenter. > AGREED - AND THE ONE BURIED 14 AUG 1780 MUST BE THE ONE BAP > 11 DEC 1778. The burial of Ann L in 1827 age 7 is probably > Ann L bp 1819 to James and > Lucy Ball. > AGREED. > The burial of Leonard in 1795 is probably Leonard bp 1795 to > Thomas and Mary > Carpenter. > AGREED. > > But who is the Leonard aged 91 in 1806 (bn abt 1715)? > Possibly a brother to > whichever John was buried in 1767? > THE GAP IN THE BAPTISM RECORDS AGAIN. > And who is Mary buried in 1834 aged 76 (born abt 1758)? > ON REFLECTION I THINK THIS ONE IS THE WIFE OF THOMAS - SHE > WOULD HAVE BEEN > 20 AT MARRIAGE, WHEREAS THE MARY WHO WAS BURIED ON 12 JAN > 1807 AGED 62 WOULD > HAVE BEEN 33. ALSO THOMAS AND MARY'S LAST CHILD, MARY, WAS > BAP 14 JUL 1799 > WHEN THE MARY BURIED IN 1807 WOULD HAVE BEEN 54. TOO OLD, I > FEAR. SO WHO WAS THE MARY BURIED IN 1807? NO IDEA. SHE MIGHT > BE THE ONE BAP 2 AUG > 1742 WITH A WRONG AGE, BUT THAT'S PURE CONJECTURE AND NOT ACCEPTABLE. > > I'm not sure about which John, Martha Garlick married. If she > married the > John bn abt 1744 and she was buried in 1800 age 75, she was > born abt 1725 > and married when she was aged 42! > A VERY GOOD POINT. > I think it's more likely that she was the second wife of > whichever John was > buried in 1767. I note they had no apparent children. > SEEMS A GOOD PROPOSITION, ESPECIALLY AS ELIZABETH (nee > CHEEKER) WAS BURIED > IN 1759, OPENING UP THE POSSIBILITY OF A SECOND MARRIAGE FOR > HER HUSBAND. > THIS WOULD OF COURSE DETERMINE WHICH JOHN WAS BURIED IN 1767, > SINCE GRACE > WAS NOT BURIED UNTIL 1783. > > I also checked the Tidcombe PR for likely connections. > > I see a Leonard and Mary were baptising children there > between 1746 and 1754 > and that they married at Cliffe Pappard in 1743. Could this > be the same > Leonard who was buried at Wroughton? > WOULDN'T IT BE NICE IF IT WAS? THERE WAS A MARY BURIED AT > TIDCOMBE ON 15 JUL > 1806 WHICH COULD WELL BE LEONARD'S WIFE. I SUPPOSE AFTER HER > DEATH HE COULD > HAVE GONE TO LIVE WITH RELATIVES AT WROUGHTON, HENCE THE > BURIAL THERE RATHER > THAN AT TIDCOMBE. INTERESTING THAT MARY WAS ANOTHER MARY > CARPENTER. ALSO > INTERESTING IS THAT CLYFFE PYPARD IS ONLY 5 MILES OR SO FROM > ELCOMBE/WROUGHTON. > > Hear from you soon > > Robert

Just found this one - Source : MLB (Bishops' Marriage Bonds) Man's Surname : LOVELOCK Man's Forename : JOHN Man's Age : - Man's Occupation : YEO Man's Place of Abode : SWINDON, WILTS Man's Status : - Man's Notes : - Woman's Surname : CHECKER Woman's Forename : ELIZABETH Woman's Age : 25 Woman's Place of Abode : WROUGHTON, WILTS Woman's Status : SP Woman's Notes : - Bondsman 1 : SUTTON SAMUEL,YEO,WROUGHTON Bondsman 2 : - Marriage Details : WROUGHTON, JUL 3 1739 Likely that John was at least the same age, if not older than his bride? Helen