Michelle, it maybe me thats wrong. I picked a James in the 1851 census but he is 13 and born in Childrey with siblings Ann William George Jane and John. Cant find them in 1861 but in 1871 I have John and Harriet in Sparshot with Charles and Esther aged 14 and 19. I have been in contact with Charles Grandson. His daughter Alice was born in 1903 and her son is Ronald Sheppard. He thought we were the same family but maybe we are wrong. It was the only one I thought fitted but the age and place of birth are wrong although that can alter on each census in my experience with my side of the family. I am now having grave doubts what do you think Best wishes >From: michelle lovelock <[email protected]> >To: sian davies <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Frederick John Lovelock >Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 13:30:20 +0100 (BST) > >Hmmm, possible some of my tree is wrong then - I do have James and Jane nee >Bruid as Frederick's parents, but I had a James and Mary as James' parents. >This info came from trawling through the census returns for 1851 - all the >Lovelocks from census are on the Lovelock Family History website, >helpfully. >I could only find one James Lovelock aged 10, with parents James and Mary, >in Shaw, Berks. >I had James dob as circa 1839/40 as in the 1891 census he is recorded as >age 51 born Wantage, Berks. What had been bothering me was the conflicting >age in the 1871 census - Jane's age is correct as is the 7 month old >Frederick J, but James' is shown as only 22, which doesn't tie up with the >later census.. I thought it was likely human error as handwriting so >illegible. >Where did you get the info on James parents? Do you have a confirmed year >of birth for him? >Re: your uncle Bob, he contacted my father during his early research of >descendants of Frederick J, I think just through the telephone book! At the >time, he was having trouble finding descendants of Jean Searle who married >Stanley Lygo - if he hasn't tracked them down yet and is still doing his >tree, (I'm sure he has as this was a while ago) I had an e-mail from Dawn >Lygo, Jean's granddaughter, could put her in touch. >Bob used to forward the latest updated copy of his tree to my dad but we >haven't had one for a while now. >Thanks for your help >Michelle Lovelock > > >sian davies <[email protected]> wrote: >You seem to have got further back than me. I have Frederick Johns parents >James and Jane Bruid I think but the writing on the b/cert is difficult to >read and I have James parents John and Harriet. John was born 1808 or 9 in >Westcote Berks but I dont have his parents. Could you let me know. > >Uncle Bob has concentrated on going forward from FJ and I have tried to go >back without much success. > >I have had a copy of FJ birth cert from Uncle Bob I couldnt find his birth >anywhere > >Reg District is Malmsbury Sub District Malmsbury East in County of Wilts > >20th August 1870 in Chelworth (parish of Crudwell) Frederick John Boy > >Father James Lovelock Farm Labourer >Mother Jane Lovelock formally Bruid > >Informant was Mother on 27th September 1870 > >How did you get in touch with Uncle Bob. I knew FJs son Frederick William >really well, they were at our wedding. > >Best Wishes > >Sian > > > > >From: michelle lovelock > >To: sian davies > >Subject: Re: Frederick John Lovelock > >Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:25:00 +0100 (BST) > > > >Sian, > >Thanks for getting in touch - yes, I am Danny's daughter, so a distant > >cousin of your own family. I have started researching my family line in >the > >last week or so, and used the tree that Robert Lovelock has researched as >a > >starting point, so already have most of the descendents of Frederick John > >Lovelock. What I am trying to do is go back as far as possible, and I > >wondered if you had any record of Frederick's parents? I have so far only > >looked at census returns for my info, and I have his parents as James and > >Jane, and 6 siblings, living in Wiltshire in 1871 and Bucks in 1891. I >have > >traced James father and grandfather (both in Berkshire) , so think I have > >our descendents back to 1738 so far.. but would like to confirm this with > >Frederick John's birth certificate. > >Is Robert Lovelock, (your uncle-in-law) still researching the family >line, > >and how far back has he gone? > >My tree is on the Genes Reunited site, haven't worked out how to download > >it yet (I'm somewhat computer illiterate I'm afraid!) but when I do I >will > >forward a copy. > >Thanks again for getting in touch, > >Michelle Lovelock > > > > > >sian davies wrote: > >Hello Michelle, > > > >I have been given your email address by Graham Lovelock as you appear to >be > >of the same line as my husband and children. I hope so. Graham says you > >are Danny's daughter. Is this your line? > > > >Frederick John Lovelock > > > >John(Jack) Edward Lovelock > > > >John Frederick Lovelock > > > >Danny Lovelock > > > >Michelle Lovelock > > > >If so you are my boys fourth cousin. Our line is > > > > > >Frederick John Lovelock > > > >Frederick William Lovelock (elder brother of John) > > > >Frederick Arthur John Lovelock > > > >Frederick John Arthur (Lovelock) Davies > > > >Gareth Ryan Aran and Iwan (Lovelock) Davies > > > > > >My husband changed his name 25 years ago when he broke with his father >for > >reasons I wont go into so we are Davies now. > > > >Best Wishes > > > > > >Sian Davies > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! > >http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Does your mail provider give you a FREE online calendar? Yahoo! does. > >Get Yahoo! Mail > >_________________________________________________________________ >Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > > >--------------------------------- >Too much spam in your inbox? Yahoo! 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