Sorry did not make it to the grand party! Had to give the Historic Caravan Club rally a miss too - just had to defend my driving test trophy at the R-R enthusiasts' rally - shucks only came second! I had a quick search round the net re LovelUck (I'm not too bothered about the 'o' until a link is proved!). I am still amazed that with such an unusual name and some 30 years of effort by umpteen people we are no further than John & Ann!! There is a transcript of part of a fiche of the PR for Bridgewater Somerset. Google gave this with loveluck prudence - trying to find another ref to Prudence d 1850 1730 27-9 Lovelace Charles of Charles & Katherine 1732 19-4 Lovelock Elizabeth of C & Kathrin 1738 30-7 Elizabeth of C & Catherine 1736 20-2 Frances of C&C 1733 18-8 John of C & K 1740 11-3 Joseph of C&C 1728 5-7 Loveluck Betty of C &K 1734 31-1 James of C & Kathurin another file for 1720-30 give Betty as 'o' and 1726 3-2 Lovelock Sarah of C&Katherine I then hit (looking for Loveluck Melton!!!): Brian Charles Reeves of Horace Bickley Reeves & Yvonne Lucille Loveluck b 9 Oct 1948 at Tom Green Texas I then looked for Lucille Loveluck and got: Ian Loveluck Arblaster b 1-8-1925 from the Commonwealth Public Services List 1956 (Oz) see hotkey.net.au/njwilliams4/x56b.htm There is also a Frank Altman with a Loveluck connection at Ancestory.com Sydney Loveluck Thomas of Highdene, 11 Stanwell Rd Penarth Glam d 3-3-1907 W pr LLandaff 13-6-07 £2438 gross to Richard Beaumont-Thomas of Lydney Glos, Francis Treherne Thomas of Cwmfelin nr Swansea & Hubert Spence Thomas of C - from Turner-Thomas family Francis Loveluck Brand b 3-12-1909 of Elizabeth Mabel Thomas (b 25-4-79 Lydbrook & d 7-5-1916) & James Gordon Brand (b 11-6-1872 Edinburgh) EMT had bro Sydney Loveluck Thomas (& many earlier siblings) b 31-12-77 d 3-3-07 see above. Richard Thomas b 5-12-1837 at Bridgwater Som d 28-9-1916 at Bath bur Lydbrook ch, m Ann Loveluck, dau John & Mary 18-2-1859 at St Mary's Cardiff. She was b 6-2-1837 at Hafod Hallog (sic) Carmathens and d 14-4-1914 at penarth, bur Lydbrook, photo of her. "Jubilee Swansea vol 1" p30 ref to Mr & Mrs Loveluck Rosalind Loveluck is an alto opera singer in 2002. Brenda Gregory in Oz wants to know Middx surnames Loveluck at Lothbury <1838 [email protected] Somerset Pigot 1830 - Thomas Loveluck p 721 (only index on net) Jannet Blodwen Loveluck b 19-6-1890, d 8-12-1963 Royal Gwent H Newport Mon m 10-3-1924 at Bridgend Milsom Charles Wherrett Prob Reg of 9 Llwynden Rd Newport. He was a draper & d 1986. They had John W W see www.ritter.demon.co.uk/genealogy/wga57.html Google then tried to send me viri from daisyfair.com/nn28.html and zestyfind.com/app/DS4 so I shut down the internet and disconnected, but do not seem to have picked up the dreaded Mydoom. I see, James, you are still lacking info re your g-father. I'm sure I told you all I know - my mother said he was responsible for installing the electric street lights in Philadelphia - this must have been in the 1890's. What did the 1901 census say apart from his occupation was electrical engineer? I imagine he got trained in Glam and went to Liverpool/Preston to get a job soon after he was married in 1895. Did the deeds of Pentowan give any useful info? From my grandmother's address book it seems the family moved there about 1921. I have an address before that at 106 Fulketh (I think) Brow, Asthon (?) on Ribble nr Preston. You must have his address at Swinton/Pendleby in 1901. Perhaps the birth cert of Margaretta ~1897 would help. I dont know where it came from but she was c in 1901 presumably with your father in/nr Preston. Perhaps the c was delayed if JHCL was in USA. For some reason my g-father's c was delayed 8 years! I have a whole series of addresses for Edward John, mainly at Stoke Bishop, Bristol. I recently found my mother's baptism (at Stoke Bishop) cert. I expect he and his wife are buried there. I will try to find out. Also I will try and find his will as it seems it was he/they who left my mother £100 ~1923 and which was used to pay the deposit on our house in Nottm in 1937 once she was 21. She told me it was from Mary Courtis, but that cannot be right. She also said she was christened in Bristol Cathedral! Of course all this happened when she was very young! John Dixon

Having re-discovered the Somerset Lovelock/lucks that John listed below, I went back to his message and I've added some comments in-line below: John Dixon wrote: >Sorry did not make it to the grand party! Had to give the Historic Caravan Club rally a miss too - just had to defend my driving test trophy at the R-R enthusiasts' rally - shucks only came second! > >I had a quick search round the net re LovelUck (I'm not too bothered about the 'o' until a link is proved!). I am still amazed that with such an unusual name and some 30 years of effort by umpteen people we are no further than John & Ann!! > >There is a transcript of part of a fiche of the PR for Bridgewater Somerset. Google gave this with loveluck prudence - trying to find another ref to Prudence d 1850 > >1730 27-9 Lovelace Charles of Charles & Katherine >1732 19-4 Lovelock Elizabeth of C & Kathrin >1738 30-7 Elizabeth of C & Catherine >1736 20-2 Frances of C&C >1733 18-8 John of C & K >1740 11-3 Joseph of C&C >1728 5-7 Loveluck Betty of C &K >1734 31-1 James of C & Kathurin > >another file for 1720-30 give Betty as 'o' and >1726 3-2 Lovelock Sarah of C&Katherine > >I then hit (looking for Loveluck Melton!!!): >Brian Charles Reeves of Horace Bickley Reeves & Yvonne Lucille Loveluck b 9 Oct 1948 at Tom Green Texas > I think this must be the dau. of Howell Ronald Llewelyn Loveluck (abt 1883 - ?) and Margot Lewis. From Janet Hearle's notes Yvonne mar. a Reeves who was a Major in the USAF. > >I then looked for Lucille Loveluck and got: >Ian Loveluck Arblaster b 1-8-1925 from the Commonwealth Public Services List 1956 (Oz) see hotkey.net.au/njwilliams4/x56b.htm > The Arblaster family are part of the "Victoria Lovelucks" branch. Thomas Loveluck (bap 1833 Coychurch) mar. Mary Davies 20 Feb 1856 Merthyr and emigrated to Australia in 1856. He died at Eaglehawk, Victoria. A dau. Elizabeth (b. 6 Jan 1866 at Eaglehawk) mar. Charles Alexander Arblaster in 1883 at Eaglehawk. Liz Rushen, who worked with Janet Hearle, is also on this branch. >There is also a Frank Altman with a Loveluck connection at Ancestory.com > Husband of Brabara Jean Loveluck, dau of Edward Howell L (1895-1967, butcher at Port Talbot, bur at Pyle, St James?) and Ethel May Heycock. > >Sydney Loveluck Thomas of Highdene, 11 Stanwell Rd Penarth Glam d 3-3-1907 W pr LLandaff 13-6-07 £2438 gross to Richard Beaumont-Thomas of Lydney Glos, Francis Treherne Thomas of Cwmfelin nr Swansea & Hubert Spence Thomas of C - from Turner-Thomas family > >Francis Loveluck Brand b 3-12-1909 of Elizabeth Mabel Thomas (b 25-4-79 Lydbrook & d 7-5-1916) & James Gordon Brand (b 11-6-1872 Edinburgh) >EMT had bro Sydney Loveluck Thomas (& many earlier siblings) b 31-12-77 d 3-3-07 see above. > >Richard Thomas b 5-12-1837 at Bridgwater Som d 28-9-1916 at Bath bur Lydbrook ch, m Ann Loveluck, dau John & Mary 18-2-1859 at St Mary's Cardiff. She was b 6-2-1837 at Hafod Hallog (sic) Carmathens and d 14-4-1914 at penarth, bur Lydbrook, photo of her. > Are these from the Turner-Thomas Web pages? http://home.btconnect.com/turthomgenealogy/turner-thomas.htm The author, Arthur Turner-Thomas, contacted me recently and we excnaged a few e-mails but I haven't heard from him recently. This is of course the family of Ruchard Thomas (1837-1916) and An Loveluck (1837-1914, dau of John L and Mary Loyd). Richard Thomas owned steelworks in Glamorgan and Gloucestershire. > >"Jubilee Swansea vol 1" p30 ref to Mr & Mrs Loveluck > >Rosalind Loveluck is an alto opera singer in 2002. > >Brenda Gregory in Oz wants to know Middx surnames Loveluck at Lothbury <1838 [email protected] > Brenda is descended from the Tasmanian Lovelucks, apparently quite independent of the Glamorgan tribe, which can be traced back to Henry Loveluck b. 1783 Maryleborne, London. Brenda used to be subscribed to the mailing list (Hi Brenda if you're still there!) > >Somerset Pigot 1830 - Thomas Loveluck p 721 (only index on net) > >Jannet Blodwen Loveluck b 19-6-1890, d 8-12-1963 Royal Gwent H Newport Mon m 10-3-1924 at Bridgend Milsom Charles Wherrett Prob Reg of 9 Llwynden Rd Newport. He was a draper & d 1986. They had John W W see www.ritter.demon.co.uk/genealogy/wga57.html > You need a capital G in Genealogy for the URL. I have these details in my database from the same Web site. Jannet (I have her as Jennet) was dau of William Thomas L (1845-1894) and Mary Ann Mathews. <<snipped>> James