I should probably have posted the message below to the list but I replied direct to James. I also prepend a few more details that may be of interest. MORE DETAILS In the 1851 census the entry (H0107/2016 300) is as follows (although rather hard to read!) Brewood Chillington Lane (or road or street or somesuch) Daniel Lovelock, Head, Marr., 58, Gardener, born Wilts - Compton Basset Mary Lovelock, Wife, Marr, 43, Gardener's wife, born Staffordshire, Wolverhampton. Note that this Mary is a second wife whom Daniel married in 1847 in Wolverhampton - I await the certificate. They appear to have had a child Ann born in 1848 and dying the same year. I don't know if they had anymore children. I have not yet located daughter Mary in the 1851 census but she married the next year Mary Lovelock married George Ridley as follows:- 1852 Marriage Solemnized at St Mary's Church in the Parish of St. Mary's Wolverhampton in the County of Stafford April 19th 1852 George Ridley of full age, Bachelor, Profession : Joiner, of Poultney's fold, Father John Ridley, Farmer Mary Lovelock, of full age, Spinster, of Falkland Street, Father Daniel Lovelock, Profession: Gardener Witnesses: Charles Ridley, Mary Jennings In the 1861 census for Tettenhall (RG-1984 43) George and Mary are living with a young son John. Mary Lovelock - by now Mary Ridley is listed as age 37 born in Gloucester. George died young at age 42 in 1868 and a Mary Ridley I take to be the widowed Mary appears in the 1871 census (RG10-2923 folio 65 page 3) as a Housekeeper aged 49 unmarried - not widowed (note her presumed birth year is now the same as the Mary born in the Lovelock - Rees line). She is working for a landowner in the same place (Brewood, a sub district of Penkridge) as father Daniel was working in in 1851 as per the census (I speculate Daniel may just have been a gardener at the same house unless the term gardener was reserved for market gardner. I haven't yet got around to finding Daniel in the1861 census.) Daniel also died in 1868 (1868 Penkridge Vol 6b page 273 - but I still await the certificate) so it was a rough year for Mary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Knight" <[email protected]> To: "James Loveluck" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:49 PM Subject: Re: Daniel Lovelock Wolverhampton > James, > > Many thanks for your prompt reply and interesting suggestion. I think > there is certainly a possibility of my Daniel being the one who married > Jane Roberts. I see from 1837 online that is was in fact Jane who died in > 1846 and not Daniel. I have ordered the certificate just in case it throws > any light on the situation. I have also ordered the certificate for what I > believe to be Daniel's death in 1868 in Wolverhampton. > > As you surmise, I was making the link with Thomas Lovelock and Jane > Bratfield - because the year of Daniel's birth was 1793 and the > birthplace was Compton Basset (going by the 1851 census). > > It may just be a coincidence but I recall my grandfather (my Daniel's > grandson) telling me a tale when I was a boy about some ancestor who had > founded a town in California. I think he referred to it as Silver City. As > this is the kind of thing that gets exaggerated and changed in the > telling, I pretty much forgot about it once the initial boyish excitement > had worn off and indeed, until now had hardly given it a thought. > > It would be interesting to see the baptismal record for Mary. As you > observe the dates don't quite fit (my date of 1824 comes from the 1861 > census in which she is married age 37) but are indeed within the margin of > error that one often sees. Unfortunately, her marriage certificate only > says she is of full age. > > Regards, > Chris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Loveluck" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 11:16 AM > Subject: Re: Daniel Lovelock Wolverhampton > > >> Chris, >> >> I wonder if Daniel Lovelock could be the progenitor of the "Nevada >> Lovelock Line"? You will find this on the Web site as the first fragment >> of the "Misc Trees" at: >> http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/fragments/misc-lovelock-trees.html >> >> According to this fragment Daniel (a gardner!) married Jane Roberts at >> Oystermouth, Glam, Wales 4 Jan 1816 and they had 5 children, including >> Mary bap. 20 Apr 1822 at Newport Wales (this doesn't quite fit your data >> but it's within the errors of census returns etc.) The fragment has >> Daniel died at Wolverhampton 22 Apr 1846 which must be wrong if he >> re-married in 1847. >> >> I assume that the link to the "Lyneham Line" (descendants of Abraham >> Lovelock and Priscilla Greenway) would be by the identification of Daniel >> as the son of Thomas Lovelock and Jane Bratfield, baptised 3 Mar 1793 at >> Compton Bassett. It would be very interesting if we could link the Nevada >> Lovelocks to the Lyneham Line! >> >> Regards, >> >> James >> >> Chris Knight wrote: >> >>> Daniel was my 3rd great grandfather and at the time of the 1851 census, >>> aged 58 and a gardener, lived in Wolverhampton (Brewood) with his >>> second wife and daughter Mary (my 2nd great grandmother) by an earlier >>> marriage. He married his second wife in Wolverhampton in 1847. >>> >>> Daniel's birthplace is given as Compton Basset and I believe him to have >>> been descended from the line of Abraham Lovelock and Priscilla >>> Greenaway. His daughter Mary was born abt 1824 in Gloucester according >>> to an 1861 census entry for her. >>> >>> I wonder if anyone might have a clue about Mary's mother Daniel's first >>> wife - and whether he may have had other children by her? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Chris Knight >>> >> >> >> ==== LOVELOCK Mailing List ==== >> Lovelock family history Web pages: >> http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> >> >> >