Greetings again Lindsay Just to recap what we know so far about your own family. Your great grandmother Sarah Matilda Anne Lovelock was born abt 1870 at Winterbourne Bassett in Wiltshire. She married Tom Angell at Highworth RD in 1890 and they had a great many children - 12-13 and lived in the Swindon area. We know (from the 1881 census) that her father was George Lovelock who was born abt 1839 at Clyffe Pyppard and that he married a Mary Unknown, also from Cliffe Pyppard. We also know from the 1881 census that they were married by 1865 when their eldest then living at home was born. So were probably married sometime between 1859 and 1865 at or near Clyffe Pyppard. Clyffe Pyppard is in the Registration District of Cricklade. All Lovelock marriages for these years have been extracted from the GRO by Malcolm and myself and are available on the Lovelock website: http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/gen-records.ht m#gro There are only two marriages that fit: Event Year Surname Forenames Reg District Vol Page Qtr/Mo Marriage 1857 Lovelock George Cricklade 5a 59 4 Marriage 1860 Lovelock George Cricklade 5a 27 1 One of these is likely to be that of your g.grandmother's parents, the second being the more likely. It would therefore be very worthwhile obtaining the certificate of at least that second marriage. The marriage certificate will tell you, amongst other things, the name and occupation of his father. If they were married then, it is likely that they had other children between 1860 and 1865, who had probably left home by 1881. Also on the Lovelock site you will find all baptisms, burials and marriages that have been extracted from parish registers and indexes for Wiltshire. http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/lovelocks-in-w ilts.htm Under Clyffe Pappard baptisms you will see that we have baptisms from the LDS Vital Records Baptisms for Clyffe Pypard 1576-1874. But none of your family are there. So they may have been born in Clyffe Pappard but baptised in another nearby parish. The Cricklade registration district includes the parishes of Ashton Keynes, Braydon, Broad Town (from 1884), Clyffe Pypard, Cricklade, Elsey, Latton, Leigh, Lydiard Millicent, Lydiard Tregoze, Lyneham, Marston Meysey (from 1882), Purton, Tockenham, Wootton Bassett. We don't have ALL Lovelocks baptisms extracted from the GRO before 1871 but the Free BMD site would certainly be worth checking on: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ We know that the family appears to have moved from Cliffe Pappard to Winterbourne Bassett about 1870, where your g. grandmother was born. Winterbourne Bassett is in the registration district of Marlborough. We only have ALL Lovelock births extracted from the GRO from 1871 and she doesn't appear to be there. So worth checking the GRO index for the four quarters of the year 1870. Also of course Free BMD. Searched our GRO index for your g.grandmother's siblings: Henry bn abt 1872 and Eliza bn abt 1876 both in Winterbourne Bassett. These looked possibles: Event Year Surname Forenames Reg District Vol Page Qtr/Mo Birth 1871 Lovelock Henry Marlborough 5a 84 3 Birth 1872 Lovelock Henry Cricklade 5a 35 2 Birth 1872 Lovelock Harry Cricklade 5a 29 2 But couldn't find anything for Eliza. We haven't done any systematic Lovelock extractions for Winterbourne Bassett at all. So there's a few leads. I'm sure other Lovelock will have a few suggestions as well.Let's know how you get on. Best wishes Robert From a delighfully sunny and mild Spring day at Kurrajong, Australia. ---------------------------------------------- Robert Sterry 9 Baileys Lane, Kurrajong Hills NSW 2758 AUSTRALIA Ph: (61)0245 731805 FAX: (61) 0245731022 Email: [email protected]