Easter greetings to all I thought I'd include the list in these thoughts just in case anyone can add anything. The so-called 'Berkshire Lovelock Line' (the naming convention here perhaps needs rethinking) is mine and John Lovelock's direct line. Based on the research of Gwen Eastment and Janet Hearle many years ago, this line was believed to have descended from a John Lovelock and an Elizabeth Woolfe who were married and baptised children in Reading, Berkshire. However, after some recent careful re-examination of the evidence, John and I now believe this connection is incorrect. I won't go into the detail here but would be very happy to share with anyone interested. John and I (and I expect several others of you out there) now agree that this line descends from John Lovelock and Mary Whitwick who married at Wallingford St Leonards in 1779. From the Wallingford MIs we know that this John was aged 77 when he died in 1817, so he was born abt 1740. His wife Mary Whitwick was born abt 1754 - 14 years his junior. John was 39 when he married Mary, so quite likely that this was in fact a second marriage. We have never found John or Mary's baptism. Interestingly enough, there are now several of us searching for various John Lovelock's baptisms about this time. So in pursuing our own line, perhaps we may help others as well. John has always had an interest in this marriage in nearby Buckinghamshire: Great Marlow Marriages 1773 Sep 26 Martin Lovelock of the parish of Hambleton & Ann Lappeth spinster of this parish. By banns. Wit: John Lovelock because a John Lovelock was a witness. Martin Lovelock and Ann baptised their children at Hambleden between 1774 and 1798. There is a likely baptism for this Martin also in Hambleden in 1748, the son of Thomas Lovelock and Elizabeth. He indeed had a brother John baptised at Hambleden in 1746 who might have been the witness to his marriage. This John could conceivably have been born abt 1740 and later married Mary Whitwick. I therefore looked for any other possible signs of this John baptised in 1746 at Hambleden. However, it was obvious that he was neither married nor buried at Hambleden. However, this burial in Berkshire caught my eye: Bray St Michael Burials 1813-1835(BTs); 1813-1888 (Berkshire Burial Index 2002) 1827 Aug 26 John Lovelock, Marlow, Co Bucks, 84 years Bray appears to be roughly about 8 miles by road from Marlow. The age fits John baptised at Hambleden in 1746. However, there is very suitable John to match this burial who married an Elizabeth Oxlade in 1774 and baptised children at Bray between 1775 and 1793. This is therefore not likely to be the same John who married Mary Whitwick as they were also baptising children between 1779 and 1793. I then looked around for any other suitable John L's bn abt 1740 in Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire and Wiltshire. We have done this exercise many time before but I keep hoping it will turn up a new lead. Reading, St Mary Baptisms 1538 -1812 [PRs] (Note: See Woolfe baptisms at bottom of page) 1739 Jul 2 John the Base born child of John Lovelock & Elizabeth Woolfe [The one that was previously thought to be correct] Bishops Cannings Baptisms 1746 Nov 1 John LOVELACK Father: Thomas LOVELACK Mother: Jane [However, this John is already placed in the Lyneham tree] Easton Royal Baptisms 1580 -1871 1739 Dec 25 John s of Richerd Liflok and Elisebeth his wife bp December 25 [But this John is already placed on the Lieflock tree] Ramsbury Baptisms 1678-1922 1739 Oct 21 John son of Thomas & Mary Lovelock [This is possible but at least 40 miles by road to Wallingford. It's also the John that James Loveluck thinks is a likely candidate for the John he is searching for as the progenitor of his line.] Tidcombe Baptisms 1731-1907 1746 Dec 14 John son of Leonard and Mary Lovelock [This John is on the Wroughton/Tidcombe Tree but no descendants identified. But about 45 miles by road from Tidcombe to Wallingford.] Wootton Rivers Baptisms 1728-1943 1740 Jul 18 John Son of John Lovelock & Mary his Wife Baptized. [About 45-50 miles from Wallingford] 1748/49 Feb 2 John Son of Thos Lovelock & Mary his Wife (of Easton) Baptized [Already placed in Lieflock line] Wroughton Baptisms 1606-1837 1738 Apr 5 John Lovelock, s John & Grace [Already placed in Lyneham Line] 1744 Apr 4 John Lovelock, s John & Eliz [About 50 miles from Wallingford. Already placed in Wroughton/Tidcombe tree but no descendants shown.] It's of course quite possible that the John who married Mary Whitwick was baptised 50 miles from where he married. Just harder to prove. Leaving aside the ones we know about, are there any John Lovelocks born abt 1740 that we have yet to discover? Not all parishes have yet been searched in Wiltshire and Berkshire. But the majority have been searched in Oxfordshire and (I think) also in Buckinghamshire. Other counties are of course always possible but less likely. So in an endeavour to come up with a possible search strategy for locating the elusive baptism of John Lovelock abt 1740, I suggest that we re-examine the evidence for those identified above as possible candidates. If that proves negative, we check to see if there are any parishes not yet searched within a certain circumference of Wallingford, say 20 miles, and search any identified. One final thought is that, assuming the baptism is lost - and we need to remember that this is always a possiblity - can we find a suitable first marriage - assuming John who married Mary Whitwick married twice - for a John Lovelock say between 1760 and 1779 in Berkshire, Wiltshire, Oxfordshire or Buckinghamshire? Bishops Cannings Marriages 1772 Apr 20 John Lovelock & Joanna Willis [This is on the Lyneham line. As they were baptising children beween 1772 and 1785 not a likely candidate.] Collingbourne Kingston Marriages 1720-1746 1770 Dec 10 John Lovlock, bachelor and Rachel Nutley, spinster, both of this parish (Banns Nov 18, 25 and Dec 2) Both put their marks. Wit: Thos Weakam, John Meell, John Gale [John and Rachel were baptising children between 1771 and 1781 at Collingbourne Kingston so not a likely candidate.] 1771 Sep 30 John Lovlock in the parish of Tangley in the county of Hants, bachelor, and Elizabeth Obriant of this parish, spinster (Banns Sep 8, 14 & 20) Both put their marks. Wit: Thos Weakam, John Thurmon [On the Tangley line. Baptising children from 1772-1778 at Tangley. Not a likely candidate.] Tidcombe Marriages 1732-1992 1761 May 18 John Lovelock of Tangley & Elizabeth Cruse. Thomas Cruse witness. (On Tangley line. Baptising children between 1761 and 1778 at Tangley. Not very likely) Kemble Marriages 1760 Jan 2 John Lovelock of Rodmarton & Anna Powell Mere Marriages 1762 Jul 25 John Lovelock & Anne Maidment Wootton Rivers Marriages 1728-1837 1765 May 6 (Banns Apr 21, 25; May 5, 1765) John Lovelock, Taylor & Elizabeth Bromham, spinster, both of this parish. Both put their marks. Witnesses: John Bromham, Thomas Spackman Hungerford 1770 Apr 29 John LOVELOCK & Sarah DORE by Banns (Baptising children at Hungerford until 1784. Not a likely candidate] Reading St Mary 1766 Apr 27 John Lovelock and Martha Bazesley [This is more likely to be the marriage of John bp 1739 s. John L and Elizabeth Woolfe] Any thoughts on a possible search strategy gratefully received. Best to all Robert ---------------------------------------------- Robert Sterry 9 Baileys Lane, Kurrajong Hills NSW 2758 AUSTRALIA Ph: (61)0245 731805 FAX: (61) 0245731022 Email: [email protected]

Given the amount of effort that has been devoted to searching and identifying the various John Lovelocks born about 1740, a catalogue of likely culprits is an excellent idea Robert! I found two more candidates: Etchilhampton 1743 Apr 17 John s. Abra & Anne Lovelock Currently placed on the Lyneham Line, but we don't have a marriage or burial for him. Wroughton 1740 Apr 24 John Lovelock, s John & Elizabeth However, there is a burial at Wroughton which is may be this John L: 1741/42 Mar 18 John Lovelock but this could be another John since no age is given. Regards, James Robert Sterry wrote: >Easter greetings to all > >I thought I'd include the list in these thoughts just in case anyone can add >anything. > >The so-called 'Berkshire Lovelock Line' (the naming convention here perhaps >needs rethinking) is mine and John Lovelock's direct line. > >Based on the research of Gwen Eastment and Janet Hearle many years ago, this >line was believed to have descended from a John Lovelock and an Elizabeth >Woolfe who were married and baptised children in Reading, Berkshire. >However, after some recent careful re-examination of the evidence, John and >I now believe this connection is incorrect. I won't go into the detail here >but would be very happy to share with anyone interested. > >John and I (and I expect several others of you out there) now agree that >this line descends from John Lovelock and Mary Whitwick who married at >Wallingford St Leonards in 1779. From the Wallingford MIs we know that this >John was aged 77 when he died in 1817, so he was born abt 1740. His wife >Mary Whitwick was born abt 1754 - 14 years his junior. John was 39 when he >married Mary, so quite likely that this was in fact a second marriage. We >have never found John or Mary's baptism. > >Interestingly enough, there are now several of us searching for various John >Lovelock's baptisms about this time. So in pursuing our own line, perhaps we >may help others as well. > >John has always had an interest in this marriage in nearby Buckinghamshire: >Great Marlow >Marriages >1773 Sep 26 Martin Lovelock of the parish of Hambleton & Ann Lappeth >spinster of this parish. By banns. Wit: John Lovelock > >because a John Lovelock was a witness. Martin Lovelock and Ann baptised >their children at Hambleden between 1774 and 1798. > >There is a likely baptism for this Martin also in Hambleden in 1748, the son >of Thomas Lovelock and Elizabeth. He indeed had a brother John baptised at >Hambleden in 1746 who might have been the witness to his marriage. This John >could conceivably have been born abt 1740 and later married Mary Whitwick. > >I therefore looked for any other possible signs of this John baptised in >1746 at Hambleden. However, it was obvious that he was neither married nor >buried at Hambleden. > >However, this burial in Berkshire caught my eye: >Bray St Michael >Burials 1813-1835(BTs); 1813-1888 (Berkshire Burial Index 2002) >1827 Aug 26 John Lovelock, Marlow, Co Bucks, 84 years > >Bray appears to be roughly about 8 miles by road from Marlow. The age fits >John baptised at Hambleden in 1746. > >However, there is very suitable John to match this burial who married an >Elizabeth Oxlade in 1774 and baptised children at Bray between 1775 and >1793. This is therefore not likely to be the same John who married Mary >Whitwick as they were also baptising children between 1779 and 1793. > >I then looked around for any other suitable John L's bn abt 1740 in >Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire and Wiltshire. We have done this >exercise many time before but I keep hoping it will turn up a new lead. > >Reading, St Mary >Baptisms 1538 -1812 [PRs] (Note: See Woolfe baptisms at bottom of page) >1739 Jul 2 John the Base born child of John Lovelock & Elizabeth Woolfe >[The one that was previously thought to be correct] > >Bishops Cannings >Baptisms >1746 Nov 1 John LOVELACK Father: Thomas LOVELACK Mother: Jane [However, this >John is already placed in the Lyneham tree] > >Easton Royal >Baptisms 1580 -1871 >1739 Dec 25 John s of Richerd Liflok and Elisebeth his wife bp December 25 >[But this John is already placed on the Lieflock tree] > >Ramsbury >Baptisms 1678-1922 >1739 Oct 21 John son of Thomas & Mary Lovelock [This is possible but at >least 40 miles by road to Wallingford. It's also the John that James >Loveluck thinks is a likely candidate for the John he is searching for as >the progenitor of his line.] > >Tidcombe >Baptisms 1731-1907 >1746 Dec 14 John son of Leonard and Mary Lovelock [This John is on the >Wroughton/Tidcombe Tree but no descendants identified. But about 45 miles by >road from Tidcombe to Wallingford.] > >Wootton Rivers >Baptisms 1728-1943 >1740 Jul 18 John Son of John Lovelock & Mary his Wife Baptized. [About 45-50 >miles from Wallingford] >1748/49 Feb 2 John Son of Thos Lovelock & Mary his Wife (of Easton) Baptized >[Already placed in Lieflock line] > >Wroughton >Baptisms 1606-1837 >1738 Apr 5 John Lovelock, s John & Grace [Already placed in Lyneham Line] >1744 Apr 4 John Lovelock, s John & Eliz [About 50 miles from Wallingford. >Already placed in Wroughton/Tidcombe tree but no descendants shown.] > >It's of course quite possible that the John who married Mary Whitwick was >baptised 50 miles from where he married. Just harder to prove. > >Leaving aside the ones we know about, are there any John Lovelocks born abt >1740 that we have yet to discover? Not all parishes have yet been searched >in Wiltshire and Berkshire. But the majority have been searched in >Oxfordshire and (I think) also in Buckinghamshire. Other counties are of >course always possible but less likely. > >So in an endeavour to come up with a possible search strategy for locating >the elusive baptism of John Lovelock abt 1740, I suggest that we re-examine >the evidence for those identified above as possible candidates. If that >proves negative, we check to see if there are any parishes not yet searched >within a certain circumference of Wallingford, say 20 miles, and search any >identified. > >One final thought is that, assuming the baptism is lost - and we need to >remember that this is always a possiblity - can we find a suitable first >marriage - assuming John who married Mary Whitwick married twice - for a >John Lovelock say between 1760 and 1779 in Berkshire, Wiltshire, Oxfordshire >or Buckinghamshire? > >Bishops Cannings >Marriages >1772 Apr 20 John Lovelock & Joanna Willis [This is on the Lyneham line. As >they were baptising children beween 1772 and 1785 not a likely candidate.] > >Collingbourne Kingston >Marriages 1720-1746 >1770 Dec 10 John Lovlock, bachelor and Rachel Nutley, spinster, both of this >parish (Banns Nov 18, 25 and Dec 2) Both put their marks. Wit: Thos Weakam, >John Meell, John Gale [John and Rachel were baptising children between 1771 >and 1781 at Collingbourne Kingston so not a likely candidate.] >1771 Sep 30 John Lovlock in the parish of Tangley in the county of Hants, >bachelor, and Elizabeth Obriant of this parish, spinster (Banns Sep 8, 14 & >20) Both put their marks. Wit: Thos Weakam, John Thurmon [On the Tangley >line. Baptising children from 1772-1778 at Tangley. Not a likely candidate.] > >Tidcombe >Marriages 1732-1992 >1761 May 18 John Lovelock of Tangley & Elizabeth Cruse. Thomas Cruse >witness. (On Tangley line. Baptising children between 1761 and 1778 at >Tangley. Not very likely) > >Kemble >Marriages >1760 Jan 2 John Lovelock of Rodmarton & Anna Powell > >Mere >Marriages >1762 Jul 25 John Lovelock & Anne Maidment > >Wootton Rivers >Marriages 1728-1837 >1765 May 6 (Banns Apr 21, 25; May 5, 1765) John Lovelock, Taylor & Elizabeth >Bromham, spinster, both of this parish. Both put their marks. Witnesses: >John Bromham, Thomas Spackman > >Hungerford >1770 Apr 29 John LOVELOCK & Sarah DORE by Banns (Baptising children at >Hungerford until 1784. Not a likely candidate] > >Reading St Mary >1766 Apr 27 John Lovelock and Martha Bazesley [This is more likely to be the >marriage of John bp 1739 s. John L and Elizabeth Woolfe] > >Any thoughts on a possible search strategy gratefully received. > >Best to all > >Robert > >---------------------------------------------- >Robert Sterry >9 Baileys Lane, Kurrajong Hills >NSW 2758 AUSTRALIA >Ph: (61)0245 731805 FAX: (61) 0245731022 >Email: [email protected] > > > >==== LOVELOCK Mailing List ==== >Lovelock family history Web pages: >http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > >