Hi Mike Yes. I remember seeing your query whilst I was travelling overseas. You have obviously already come a long way in tracing your Lovelock ancestry. As you probably know Crondall and Winchfield are adjoining parishes in Hampshire. It was quite common to be born in one parish and baptised in the adjoining one. The entry you found for Jane d. Daniel and Elizabeth in Hampshire is a baptism. You should also be aware that she may not have been baptised the same year as her birth. I think the Jane you found is a very likely possibility. Crookham (mentioned in the baptism entry) is a town not a parish but is probably in the parish of Thatcham in Berkshire. It is on the border of Hampshire and about 10-15 miles from Crondall and Winchfield. It is likely that either Daniel or Elizabeth came from there. The only Daniel baptism I can find around 1791 is Daniel L bp 1790 in Milton Lilbourne in Wiltshire s. John L and Sarah Batt on the Lieflok Lovelock line. Milton Lilbourne is about 15 miles west of Thatcham and we have his date of death as 1866 not 1853. A bit of a longshot I think. How do you know when Daniel died by the way? Like all genealogy, suggesting and then proving connections is really a question of 'best fit' of available information. We really need to try and find the marriage of Daniel and Elizabeth presumeably abt 1820 in either Hampshire or possibly Berkshire. It would also be worth trying to trace what happened Jane's siblings: 1821 __(?) Caroline (of) Daniel and Elizabeth Lovelock 1823 Dec 25 James (of) Daniel and Elizabeth Lovelock, Crookham, labourer It is possible that the baptism entry 1808 Jan 17 Daniel illegitimate son of Elizabeth Lovelock is a child of Elizabeth and Daniel before they were married. They were then probably both underage - perhaps 15 or 16 at the time. But it sure was certainly a long time before they decided to actually get married! The more we can find out about all members of the family, the more likely we'll be able to establish other connections. I would prefer to have the actual wording from the various certificates and census you have already found - if possible. It's always better to work directly from source material. Also please bear in mind that only a relatively small number of parishes in Hampshire have been searched for Lovelocks. There's bound to be plenty more out there, including probably some of your line. Hope this helps. Best wishes Robert > Michael Turner died in 1866 he was married to Jane > Lovelock. In 1869 Jane, now a widow, remarried one Timothy > Summerfield in Hartley Wintney and therefore appears in the census > with the name Summerfield, but with a son from the first marriage who > continued to bear the name Turner (naturally). In both > censuses Jane says her birthplace was Winchfield. She > dies in the HW registration area in 1902 (but we haven't > acquired her death certificate yet). Here comes the > single line incontrovertible fact (actually two facts). > > 1 Michael Turner married Jane Lovelock on 13 June 1844 at Newnham > 2 and her father is named on the certificate as Daniel Daniel died in 1853 and from the presumed age he was born in > about 1791. Jane's 'guesses' (and given the variations we have > encountered they were guesses) at her own age in the marriage > certificate, 1871 and 1881 censuses, and from the death register > suggest she was born in the mid 1820s. > > We knew the one vital fact and these other suppositions before I saw > the Lovelock site yesterday. My concern is whether the supposed > Winchfield birth place is correct, because if not is this the same Jane > who was born in 1824 to Daniel and Elizabeth Lovelock in Crondall.

Hi Robert, ----- Original Message ----- > I think the Jane you found is a very likely possibility. Crookham (mentioned > in the baptism entry) is a town not a parish but is probably in the parish > of Thatcham in Berkshire. It is on the border of Hampshire and about 10-15 > miles from Crondall and Winchfield. It is likely that either Daniel or > Elizabeth came from there. > Not so. The Crookham referred to in the Crondall records is (or was) part of Crondall parish, as it was a tything of the parish. It is just to the 'north' of Crondall village. With reference to Lovelocks in Hampshire, I have extracted the name from the Parish Registers for Heckfield and Eversley, and am in the process of typing them up. Hope you had a wonderful time in Europe. Helen