Allow me to introduce myself as a new member to the Lovelock list. Let me thank Graham L who replied very promptly when I discovered his name in a Hampshire reference site. Graham recommended that I look at the web site, and having subscribed to it let me thank James L for his words of welcome. I probably join with more questions than answers, but I can add one new event to the ones I have seen so far on the site. Forgive my verbosity but it is in the nature of my business to tell a story. My name is Michael Turner (born in London 1948) son of Edward Ernest (born in Cambridge 1918 as a WW1 evacuee) son of Edward Ernest (born in Pontefract Yorkshire in 1880) and the fact that I am writing to you from Yorkshire is down to the chance of employment because Edward Ernest was the son of Robert John (born in Winchfield according to the 1881 census) who married in Pontefract into an immigrant Irish family called Burke So that establishes the Hampshire connection. Or at least in the 1881 census Robert John says that his birthplace was Winchfield. From his marriage certificate we discover that his father was Michael Turner. Michael died in 1866, but by a careful analysis of the 1871 and 1881 censuses for Hampshire, and from the births, deaths, and marriages indexes, we were able to establish that he had been married to Jane Lovelock. In 1869 Jane, now a widow, remarried one Timothy Summerfield in Hartley Wintney and therefore appears in the census with the name Summerfield, but with a son from the first marriage who continued to bear the name Turner (naturally). In both censuses Jane says her birthplace was Winchfield. She dies in the HW registration area in 1902 (but we haven't acquired her death certificate yet). Here comes the single line incontrovertible fact (actually two facts). 1 Michael Turner married Jane Lovelock on 13 June 1844 at Newnham 2 and her father is named on the certificate as Daniel Working remotely here in Yorkshire is not easy, yet from the births, deaths and marriages indexes that we have on microfische we think that this Daniel in 1853 and from the presumed ages he was born in about 1791. Jane's 'guesses' (and given the variations we have encountered they were guesses) at her own age in the marriage certificate, 1871, 1881 censuses and from the death register suggest she was born in the mid 1820s. We knew the one vital fact and these other suppositions before I saw the Lovelock site yesterday. My concern is whether the supposed Winchfield birth place is correct, because if not is this the same Jane who was born in 1824 to Daniel and Elizabeth Lovelock in Crondall. With best wishes to all of the Lovelocks from a once lost great-great-grandson of Jane. Michael Turner Professor Michael Turner Economic Studies University of Hull Hull HU6 7RX tel: 01482 465913 fax: 01482 466216 e-mail: M.E.Turner@hull.ac.uk