Hello all, Looking again at our small collection of 'Lovelocks in Norfolk' data you will note the baptism on 16 Apr 1876 of George Henry Lovelock, the son of David and Susan (nee Dye) at Walpole St Peter. The GRO Birth Index shows that George Henry's birth was registered in the Jan-Mar quarter of 1876, in the Wisbech Registration District. Alas, Susan died in Jan-Mar 1881, so in that Census her husband David was recorded as a Boarder with the Cooper family in St Mary Cray in Kent. Neither of his sons was with him. The younger son, William, was with his grandparents George and Grace Lovelock in St Mary Bourne in Hampshire. But where was George Henry? There is no record of his death between 1876 and 1881, so clearly being so young he must have been with adults somewhere. Can anyone find him in any Census, or find deatils of his death? Regards, Graham

That's great, Graham, and many thanks as always for your energetic follow-through. My earlier message got  sent unsigned by accident as I was researching the history of the ferry. I found a  picture of the place during the start of the Pull era in 1800 at https://joemasonspage.wordpress.com/2013/01/28/pulls-ferry and another from just before the death of James athttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulls_Ferry,_Norwich#/media/File:ECR(1851)_p45a_-_(Norwich)_Pull's_Ferry.jpg The gateway subsequently fell into ruin (it's now restored) and there are pictures of it in that state at https://norfolktalesmyths.com/2018/06/20/pulls-ferry-a-little-gem.    I'll let my informant know the latest developments and get her OK for the use of her photo. I hope other family historians can flesh out the story further. Once we've dusted our hands of this one, I'd like us both to look closer at the Jamaican Lovelocks. I only just noticed that that you have a subsection on them on the site and was delighted to discover that you have found the name of Cephas's father, which I'd not been able to learn from all the other members of the family over there, in the UK and US (and Belize, Italy, Sweden, Canada) with whom I've been in touch over the years. I even have a family tree of the line descended from the twice-married Cephas, the groundwork of which was supplied me by Claudette Edwards. The website information will help bulk that out. Can you tell me where it came from? Best wishes,Yann On Friday, 7 June 2019, 19:56:40 BST, Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> wrote: Hello all, A friend of Yann's recently spotted a memorial slab in Norwich Cathedral which records the death of James Lovelock on 11 Aug 1851, at the age of 80, and of his wife Jane on 16 Oct 1834, aged 68. Following some neat detective work by Yann, supplemented by data from our current resources, an item has been added to our 'Other Matters of Lovelock Interest' page (scroll to the bottom of the page): http://lovelock.free.fr/Other-Matters.html The 1851 Census entry records James' place of birth as Easton (now Easton Royal) in Wiltshire, but his baptism, if one there was, is not included in our data collection. However, James' second marriage, to an Elizabeth Haley Gooch, took place in the Cathedral chapel in 1836 and one of the witnesses was an Ann Lovelock. She is very possibly the Ann who was in turn married in the Cathedral chapel in 1840, and the 1851 Census reveals that she also was born in Easton. This time we do have a record of the baptism - 7 Sep 1801, the daughter of William and Susanna. It seems possible that Ann was James' niece. Quite what took James and Ann from Wiltshire to Norfolk we shall probably never know - unless you have discovered something that fleshes out this tale a little more? Many thanks to Yann for setting this one in motion! Regards, Graham _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hello all, A friend of Yann's recently spotted a memorial slab in Norwich Cathedral which records the death of James Lovelock on 11 Aug 1851, at the age of 80, and of his wife Jane on 16 Oct 1834, aged 68. Following some neat detective work by Yann, supplemented by data from our current resources, an item has been added to our 'Other Matters of Lovelock Interest' page (scroll to the bottom of the page): http://lovelock.free.fr/Other-Matters.html The 1851 Census entry records James' place of birth as Easton (now Easton Royal) in Wiltshire, but his baptism, if one there was, is not included in our data collection. However, James' second marriage, to an Elizabeth Haley Gooch, took place in the Cathedral chapel in 1836 and one of the witnesses was an Ann Lovelock. She is very possibly the Ann who was in turn married in the Cathedral chapel in 1840, and the 1851 Census reveals that she also was born in Easton. This time we do have a record of the baptism - 7 Sep 1801, the daughter of William and Susanna. It seems possible that Ann was James' niece. Quite what took James and Ann from Wiltshire to Norfolk we shall probably never know - unless you have discovered something that fleshes out this tale a little more? Many thanks to Yann for setting this one in motion! Regards, Graham

Hello all, Following on the recent tale of Caroline Lovelock who was recorded in her maiden name in 1841 despite having married in the previous year comes another similar story. Hannah Champion (http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/individual.php?pid=I6533&ged=wilts-trees1) from the Lieflock Line was recorded living with her father George in 1881 in the area of Great Bedwyn, Wiltshire, and her marital status was 'Unm'. In 1891 she is also recorded living with her father but this time as a widowed Hannah Matthews. The only marriage in the Hungerford RD of a Hannah Champion that appears in the GRO Index was in 1873, to a man recorded as Charles Matthus. 'Matthus' is an extremely uncommon surname, but it could be construed as a possible phonetic equivalent of 'Matthews'. However, if Hannah married in 1873 why was she recorded as Champion in 1881, and single ? There is no trace of a Charles Matthus anywhere else; there was a Charles Mathews lodging in Great Bedwyn in 1871, born in Collingbourne Kingston in 1848, the same year as Hannah was born, married to a Sarah aged 22. Sarah possibly died in 1872 - the images do not show her age clearly - which would have freed Charles to marry Hannah Champion. Could Charles have abandoned Hannah which caused her to revert to her maiden name and claim to be single? Why then would she revert to her married name in 1891? Had she perhaps forgotten her 1881 declaration? Was there an element of like-father-like-daughter here? George Champion married twice - firstly to Hannah's mother Ann Marshall in 1847 and then to Charlotte Lovelock in 1860. However, Charlotte's entry in the 1871 entry states quite bluntly 'Husband left her'. Charlotte must have been about 2 months pregnant when she married, so it looks as though it was a 'shotgun marriage' and George de-camped very soon after. Adding to the puzzle is that there is no death in the Berkshire and Wiltshire registration districts of a Charles Matthews, Mathews, Matthus or Mathus between 1873 and 1901, so was Hannah really a widow in 1891? And if so under what name was her death registered? Regards, Graham

Hello all, In case anyone is holding off to see what arises from Eileen's suggestion I have drawn a blank. Neither the One-Name-Study database in the US nor a UK database contain any information that definitely relates to the Henry in question. Graham

Thanks very much, Eileen. I have dropped a line to Peter Wells in the States and to Juliet Gayton in the UK, so we'll see if either can help. Regards, Graham ________________________________ From: Eileen Adkins <adkins@dircon.co.uk> Sent: 17 May 2019 11:53 To: Lovelock family history Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: Henry Fifield Dear Graham, There is a one-name study of the surname Fifield etc with a. Wen site at fifield.one-name.net <http://fifield.one-name.net/> and you can contact Peter Wells at fifield@one-name.org <mailto:fifield@one-name.org> who could probably help you. I’m sure he’d be pleased to hear from you. I live at Ropley so please ask if I can help with gravestones etc. Eileen > On 17 May 2019, at 11:39, Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hello all, > > Caroline Lovelock in the Ropley, Crondall and Dogmersfield Tree (http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/individual.php?pid=I170&ged=ropley-tidcombe) was born on 29 Jul 1821. I have just discovered an extremely faint 1841 Census image (the Ancestry and Findmypast copies are different but more or less equally faint) which lists the following household in Winchfield, Hampshire: > > Caroline Lovlock age 19 > Jane Lovlock age 16 > ..... Fyfield age 1 > > Caroline's sister Jane was born in 1824 so I think that fairly positively identifies the pair of them in the entry. The baby's forename has been transcribed as Harriet by Ancestry and Sarah by Findmypast. > > We know that a Harriet Fifield was baptised in Winchfield on 17 May 1840, her parents being Henry and Caroline. What's more we also know that Henry Fifield and Caroline Lovelock were married in Winchfield on 22 Feb 1840. > > There seems to be no trace of Henry Fifield in any UK Census, nor any UK death registration. Roger and Mary Perry have suggested that he may have been transported, but I have not found any reference to him, either as Fifield or Fyfield. > > So the mystery is why Caroline reverted to her maiden name for the Census, especially as when she died in 1845 in the Winchester and Hursley RD she was recorded as Caroline Fifield. > > If Henry was a criminal, and I have not found any evidence of that as yet, he may well have been incarcerated in Winchester prison, but I'm not sure that he would in that case have been excluded from the Census, and if he had died there there should still be a death registration. > > Can anyone suggest any other lines of enquiry? > > Regards, > > Graham > > _______________________________________________ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: > http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Dear Graham, There is a one-name study of the surname Fifield etc with a. Wen site at fifield.one-name.net <http://fifield.one-name.net/> and you can contact Peter Wells at fifield@one-name.org <mailto:fifield@one-name.org> who could probably help you. I’m sure he’d be pleased to hear from you. I live at Ropley so please ask if I can help with gravestones etc. Eileen > On 17 May 2019, at 11:39, Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hello all, > > Caroline Lovelock in the Ropley, Crondall and Dogmersfield Tree (http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/individual.php?pid=I170&ged=ropley-tidcombe) was born on 29 Jul 1821. I have just discovered an extremely faint 1841 Census image (the Ancestry and Findmypast copies are different but more or less equally faint) which lists the following household in Winchfield, Hampshire: > > Caroline Lovlock age 19 > Jane Lovlock age 16 > ..... Fyfield age 1 > > Caroline's sister Jane was born in 1824 so I think that fairly positively identifies the pair of them in the entry. The baby's forename has been transcribed as Harriet by Ancestry and Sarah by Findmypast. > > We know that a Harriet Fifield was baptised in Winchfield on 17 May 1840, her parents being Henry and Caroline. What's more we also know that Henry Fifield and Caroline Lovelock were married in Winchfield on 22 Feb 1840. > > There seems to be no trace of Henry Fifield in any UK Census, nor any UK death registration. Roger and Mary Perry have suggested that he may have been transported, but I have not found any reference to him, either as Fifield or Fyfield. > > So the mystery is why Caroline reverted to her maiden name for the Census, especially as when she died in 1845 in the Winchester and Hursley RD she was recorded as Caroline Fifield. > > If Henry was a criminal, and I have not found any evidence of that as yet, he may well have been incarcerated in Winchester prison, but I'm not sure that he would in that case have been excluded from the Census, and if he had died there there should still be a death registration. > > Can anyone suggest any other lines of enquiry? > > Regards, > > Graham > > _______________________________________________ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: > http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hello all, Caroline Lovelock in the Ropley, Crondall and Dogmersfield Tree (http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/individual.php?pid=I170&ged=ropley-tidcombe) was born on 29 Jul 1821. I have just discovered an extremely faint 1841 Census image (the Ancestry and Findmypast copies are different but more or less equally faint) which lists the following household in Winchfield, Hampshire: Caroline Lovlock age 19 Jane Lovlock age 16 ..... Fyfield age 1 Caroline's sister Jane was born in 1824 so I think that fairly positively identifies the pair of them in the entry. The baby's forename has been transcribed as Harriet by Ancestry and Sarah by Findmypast. We know that a Harriet Fifield was baptised in Winchfield on 17 May 1840, her parents being Henry and Caroline. What's more we also know that Henry Fifield and Caroline Lovelock were married in Winchfield on 22 Feb 1840. There seems to be no trace of Henry Fifield in any UK Census, nor any UK death registration. Roger and Mary Perry have suggested that he may have been transported, but I have not found any reference to him, either as Fifield or Fyfield. So the mystery is why Caroline reverted to her maiden name for the Census, especially as when she died in 1845 in the Winchester and Hursley RD she was recorded as Caroline Fifield. If Henry was a criminal, and I have not found any evidence of that as yet, he may well have been incarcerated in Winchester prison, but I'm not sure that he would in that case have been excluded from the Census, and if he had died there there should still be a death registration. Can anyone suggest any other lines of enquiry? Regards, Graham

Hello Alyson, I don't think it's the same James on the basis that the man who died in 1898 was apparently born about 1824, and taking 6 years off his age seems a bit extreme, especially for a man. However, I've no idea who the 1841 lad, born in 1830, could be. I have wondered in the past if he was actually Susan Hunt's son, but if he was she would have given birth when only 14 years old. Although such events must be extremely rare, I'm sure, there is some circumstantial evidence to suggest a similar thing happened to one member of the Lieflock Line. If James was not born in Wiltshire this could indicate that Susan was sent away to have the birth. There seems to be no other trace of James as a Lovelock, as you say, and if he reverted to calling himself James Hunt I can't see that we will ever identify him since we do not know where he was born. A loose end doomed to be so for ever? Regards, Graham ________________________________ From: alyson via LOVELOCK <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: 09 May 2019 09:31 To: Lovelock family history Cc: alyson Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: Can you fill any of the gaps? Hi Graham, I do not think this will help at all, but I have always wondered who the James Lovelock born in 1830 (but not in Wiltshire) was, who was staying with James Lovelock,(from the Wootton Rivers tree) in the 1841 census. I have never found any other mention of him, Death birth or marriage although at some stage I have marked down the Christening of a James, born to Elizabeth and John Lovelock. Could this be the James your are searching for, or can you shed any light on who my mystery James Lovelock is. Thanks Alyson Lovelock. From: Graham Lovelock Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 8:28 PM To: Lovelock family history Subject: [LOVELOCK] Can you fill any of the gaps? Hello all, Here's a tale to be told in reverse. In 1911 a widowed Jane Lovelock born in Bury St Edmunds in Suffolk around 1845 was running a greengrocery business, and living at 37 Prospect Street, Caversham in Berkshire. With her were two unmarried daughters, Helen and Alice Holliday. That enables us to identify the marriage of James Lovelock and Jane Holliday in the Highworth RD in Jul-Sep 1892. But who was James? There was no death of a James between 1892 and 1901 in the Caversham area, but there was one in the Highworth RD in Apr-Jun 1898, at the age of 74. Could he be Jane's second husband? Jane was born Jane Jackaman in Oct-Dec 1844, her surname being revealed in the birth entries for her daughters. In 1891 she was a Nurse at 52 High Street in Great Bedwyn, possibly for a Miss Gerard. James meanwhile was a Bricklayer lodging in the Royal Oak Inn in Swindon. Are these two really the couple who married in 1892? Jane probably died in the Henley RD in 1924 at the age of 80. So should she be included in the Wroughton-Tidcombe tree along with James above, or was her second husband another man entirely? Regards, Graham _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Graham, I do not think this will help at all, but I have always wondered who the James Lovelock born in 1830 (but not in Wiltshire) was, who was staying with James Lovelock,(from the Wootton Rivers tree) in the 1841 census. I have never found any other mention of him, Death birth or marriage although at some stage I have marked down the Christening of a James, born to Elizabeth and John Lovelock. Could this be the James your are searching for, or can you shed any light on who my mystery James Lovelock is. Thanks Alyson Lovelock. From: Graham Lovelock Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 8:28 PM To: Lovelock family history Subject: [LOVELOCK] Can you fill any of the gaps? Hello all, Here's a tale to be told in reverse. In 1911 a widowed Jane Lovelock born in Bury St Edmunds in Suffolk around 1845 was running a greengrocery business, and living at 37 Prospect Street, Caversham in Berkshire. With her were two unmarried daughters, Helen and Alice Holliday. That enables us to identify the marriage of James Lovelock and Jane Holliday in the Highworth RD in Jul-Sep 1892. But who was James? There was no death of a James between 1892 and 1901 in the Caversham area, but there was one in the Highworth RD in Apr-Jun 1898, at the age of 74. Could he be Jane's second husband? Jane was born Jane Jackaman in Oct-Dec 1844, her surname being revealed in the birth entries for her daughters. In 1891 she was a Nurse at 52 High Street in Great Bedwyn, possibly for a Miss Gerard. James meanwhile was a Bricklayer lodging in the Royal Oak Inn in Swindon. Are these two really the couple who married in 1892? Jane probably died in the Henley RD in 1924 at the age of 80. So should she be included in the Wroughton-Tidcombe tree along with James above, or was her second husband another man entirely? Regards, Graham _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

..... or rather now you don't see them - now you do. Consider the case of Walter Lovelock, and how the name grew in popularity. In the 1841 Census Ancestry lists not a single Walter Lovelock. In the 1851 Census Ancestry lists just one: Walter aged 2 born Winchester In the 1861 Census Ancestry lists seven: Walter aged 2 born Bitton Walter Samuel aged 2 born Hartley Wintney Walter C aged 5 born Portsea Walter aged 8 born London Walter aged 9 born St Pancras Walter aged 12 born Winchester Walter aged 42 born Croydon In the 1871 Census Ancestry lists nine: Walter F aged 1 born Orcheston St George Walter J aged 2 born Bethnal Green Walter aged 3 born Stockbridge Walter F aged 6 born Bermondsey Walter aged 6 born Hartley Wintney Walter aged 7 born Bristol Walter aged 12 born Bitton Walter aged 14 born Pewsey Walter aged 15 born Portsea Walter F aged 18 born St Pancras In the 1881 Census Ancestry lists nineteen: Walter aged 1 born Hungerford Walter aged 2 born St Pancras Walter aged 4 born Wargrave Walter aged 5 born Pewsey Walter H aged 5 born Kensington Walter aged 9 born Greenham Walter F aged 11 born Elston Walter aged 12 born Bethnal Green Walter aged 13 born Stockbridge Walter aged 14 born Tottenham Walter aged 15 born Hartley Row Walter aged 16 born Bristol Walter aged 16 born Bermondsey Walter aged 22 born Bitton Walter aged 24 born Pewsey Walter C aged 25 born Portsea Walter aged 29 born London Walter Fred aged 29 born Camden Town Walter aged 32 born Winchester In the 1891 Census Ancestry lists only seventeen: Walter E aged 1 born St Pancras Walter aged 3 born Pewsey Walter aged 3 born Forest Hill Walter H S aged 5 born Marlborough Walter aged 8 born London Walter aged 11 born Hungerford Walter aged 12 born St Pancras Walter aged 13 born Ealing Walter aged 14 born Wargrave Walter aged 15 born Pewsey Walter H aged 15 born Chelsea. Walter aged 22 born Waterloo Walter aged 24 born Bristol Walter aged 24 born Micheldever Walter aged 25 born Hartley Wintney Walter C aged 31 born Portsea Walter aged 32 born Bitton Walter aged 34 born Pewsey In the 1901 Census Ancestry lists only sixteen: Walter John aged 1 born Maddington Walter aged 6 born Shalbourne Walter C Ernest aged 8 born Newington Walter E aged 11 born St Pancras Walter J aged 13 born Pewsey Walter aged 13 born Forest Hill Walter H S aged 15 born Marlborough Walter aged 18 born St Pancras Walter aged 20 born Hungerford Walter aged 26 born Pewsey Walter J aged 31 born Bethnal Green Walter aged 35 born Micheldever Walter aged 45 born Pewsey Walter aged 46 born Camden Town Walter aged 49 born St Pancras Walter C aged 50 born Portsmouth In the 1911 Census Ancestry lists no less than twenty: Walter aged 4 born Pimlico Walter aged 8 born Camborne Walter aged 11 born Southampton Walter George aged 15 born Shalbourne Walter Charles Ernest aged 18 born Kennington Walter Ernest aged 21 born St Pancras Walter aged 23 born London Walter aged 25 born Marlborough Walter aged 28 born St Pancras Walter Henry aged 35 born London Walter John Edward aged 37 born Great Bedwyn Walter aged 39 born Newbury Walter aged 45 born Hartley Wintney Walter aged 45 born London Walter aged 47 born Romsey Walter aged 52 born Bitton Walter aged 53 born Pewsey Walter Charles aged 54 born Portsmouth Walter aged 57 born St Pancras Walter aged 59 born St Pancras And finally moving on to the 1939 Register there are only thirteen: Walter H aged 22 Walter aged 27 Walter D aged 27 Walter aged 37 Walter J aged 49 Walter S aged 54 Walter aged 57 Walter aged 59 Walter J aged 59 Walter aged 66 Walter F aged 69 Walter F aged 74 Walter aged 83 Those with time on their hands will find plenty of anomalies amongst all of that lot. True, there is a significant degree of consistency as well, especially if one allows ages to vary by plus or minus a year, and takes deaths into account, but there are inconsistencies too. One particular individual stands out. The 1861 list includes a Walter who was recorded as being 42 years old and born in Croydon. He was married, and accompanied by, I presume, his wife Charlotte (both were said to be married), aged 31 and also born in Croydon. His occupation was 'Traveller' which I take to mean a travelling salesman, but I may well be wrong. Charlotte was a Dress Maker which perhaps implies that she was not particularly nomadic, but they were boarding with the Tarbuck family in Lambeth so may not have had a permanent residence of their own. This is the only Census in which Walter appears, I have not found any record of his birth or baptism, nor of his marriage to Charlotte. And I also suppose that he is one of those Lovelocks abducted by aliens as there is no record of his death. Any more information anyone? Regards, Graham

Hello all, Here's a tale to be told in reverse. In 1911 a widowed Jane Lovelock born in Bury St Edmunds in Suffolk around 1845 was running a greengrocery business, and living at 37 Prospect Street, Caversham in Berkshire. With her were two unmarried daughters, Helen and Alice Holliday. That enables us to identify the marriage of James Lovelock and Jane Holliday in the Highworth RD in Jul-Sep 1892. But who was James? There was no death of a James between 1892 and 1901 in the Caversham area, but there was one in the Highworth RD in Apr-Jun 1898, at the age of 74. Could he be Jane's second husband? Jane was born Jane Jackaman in Oct-Dec 1844, her surname being revealed in the birth entries for her daughters. In 1891 she was a Nurse at 52 High Street in Great Bedwyn, possibly for a Miss Gerard. James meanwhile was a Bricklayer lodging in the Royal Oak Inn in Swindon. Are these two really the couple who married in 1892? Jane probably died in the Henley RD in 1924 at the age of 80. So should she be included in the Wroughton-Tidcombe tree along with James above, or was her second husband another man entirely? Regards, Graham

Hello all, In 1899 George James Spicer Lovelock married Mary Ellen Palmer. Their 1901 Census entry, when they were living in Prittlewell in Essex, shows that Mary Ellen was 29 years old and born in 'Little Ham' in Devon. That leads us to look for the GRO birth entry in the Bideford RD (which included Littleham), but the only such entry is in Apr-Jun 1875, whereas we would expect to find it in 1881 or 1882. In 1911 Mary Ellen was reported to be 39 years old, consistent with the 1901 entry, but her birthplace was recorded simply as 'Devon'. She and George are easily found in the 1939 Register, living in Rochford, Essex, but her birthdate is given, quite clearly, as 31 Dec 1881. What is presumably the death registration entry for Mary Ellen occurred in Oct-Dec 1970: Mary Ellen S Lovelock, Rochford RD, date of birth 31 Dec 1871. So the mystery is, was she born in 1871, 1875 or 1881? And why might the mystery never be solved? Mary and George had just 3 children. Frances and William died in infancy. Nellie did live into adulthood, and married Albert Scudder in 1919. They never had any children, and both were killed in their home near Mornington Crescent in a bombing raid in 1941. Mary does not seem to be readily identifiable in either the 1881 or 1891 Census records, so has anyone had sight of any other documentation that might throw some light on the matter? Regards, Graham

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The Electoral Roll information at Ancestry.com has a few entries for a Gladys Winifred Lovelock: 1930 Newcastle, New South Wales 1931 Kooyong, Victoria 1936 Melbourne, Victoria 1937 Melbourne, Victoria 1937 East Sydney, New South Wales However, neither Gladys nor Colin (or Thomas Colin as he seems to have been called when charged with attempted housebreaking) appear in the online Victoria deaths. Regards, Graham ________________________________ From: colinbm1 colinbm1 <colinbm1@bigpond.com> Sent: 22 March 2019 11:08 To: Lovelock family history Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially Total supposition, Mr lovelock...... Colin Thomas LOVELOCK, b. Bet. Jul - Sep 1899, Chertsey, Surrey, England. (seaman) Married, 20 Jul 1927, Wickham, near Newcastle, NSW, Australia. Gladys Winifred GLAYSHER, b. Bet. Jan - Mar 1903, Guildford, Surrey, England. Can't find any death in Australia.....? Cheers Col ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graham Lovelock" <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> To: "Lovelock family history" <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 22 Mar, 2019 At 8:31 PM Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially Thanks for the tip, Col. Mind you, there are 206 Deaths online in NSW, never mind all the Births and Marriages, so I won't be working through them all to find exact dates! And talking of deaths, there isn't an entry for Colin Thomas or Thomas Colin so either he lived into his nineties or he left NSW. And we still have no idea who his mother was ..... Regards, Graham ________________________________ From: colinbm1 colinbm1 <colinbm1@bigpond.com> Sent: 22 March 2019 02:06 To: Lovelock family history Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially Thanks Graham By-the-way, did you can get the exact date in the NSW BDM's..... This marriage of Colin T Lovelock was on the 20 Jul 1927, at Wickham, near Newcastle, NSW. You can get the exact date by narrowing the search range, from, 01/01/1927 to 31/12/1927, then try.....01/01/1927 to 01/07/1927, to see which half year it is then which quarter to which month then narrow the day range till you get close, them either side of the date to get the date of the event.......not to hard when you get as smart as me.....;-) ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graham Lovelock" <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> To: "Lovelock family history" <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 21 Mar, 2019 At 11:10 PM Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially Ah! - now I understand a little more - all the messages in the Archive are organised as threads with only the original message showing. The time to the right of that message indicates when the last message in the thread was posted. However, that does not explain why you did not get the original message in this thread, Col, but you did get a later one. Graham ________________________________ From: colinbm1 colinbm1 <colinbm1@bigpond.com> Sent: 21 March 2019 01:02 To: Lovelock family history Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially Hi Graham I can see no other refs to Colin T (Thomas) Lovelock.... Except the 26 in the Australian newspapers.... https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q&notWords&requestHandler&anyWords&exactPhrase=colin+lovelock&dateTo&dateFrom&sortby=dateAsc&s=0 & the one marriage. He is not showing in the Australian WWII rolls either. Cheers Col PS I didn't receive the original post....? ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graham Lovelock" <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> To: "Lovelock family history" <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 20 Mar, 2019 At 6:42 AM Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially I should have said 'I can find no reference to the adult Colin Thomas in the online UK data' as there is of course a 1911 Census entry ..... G ________________________________ From: Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> Sent: 19 March 2019 17:36 To: Lovelock family history Subject: One for our Australian readers especially Hello all, The 1901 UK Census includes the following household in Richmond Cottages, Byfleet, Surrey: Elijah Lovelock; Head; 62; born Bramley , Surrey Lucy Lovelock; Wife; 60; born Hickleton, Yorkshire Collin Lovelock; Grandson; 1; born Byfleet, Surrey 'Collin' was actually Colin Thomas Lovelock. We have an entry for Colin T Lovelock marrying Gladys W Glaysher in Wickham, New South Wales in 1927 amongst our collection of NSW records, and I am wondering if this is the same individual? I can find no other reference to Colin Thomas in the online UK data, but there is a reference to 'Colin Thomas Lovelock of Bays water Bond, Kings Cross, NSW, able seaman' in a publication named 'The Advocate' of 26 Jun 1937. Can anyone help? Regards, Graham [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Total supposition, Mr lovelock...... Colin Thomas LOVELOCK, b. Bet. Jul - Sep 1899, Chertsey, Surrey, England. (seaman) Married, 20 Jul 1927, Wickham, near Newcastle, NSW, Australia. Gladys Winifred GLAYSHER, b. Bet. Jan - Mar 1903, Guildford, Surrey, England. Can't find any death in Australia.....? Cheers Col ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graham Lovelock" <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> To: "Lovelock family history" <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 22 Mar, 2019 At 8:31 PM Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially Thanks for the tip, Col. Mind you, there are 206 Deaths online in NSW, never mind all the Births and Marriages, so I won't be working through them all to find exact dates! And talking of deaths, there isn't an entry for Colin Thomas or Thomas Colin so either he lived into his nineties or he left NSW. And we still have no idea who his mother was ..... Regards, Graham ________________________________ From: colinbm1 colinbm1 <colinbm1@bigpond.com> Sent: 22 March 2019 02:06 To: Lovelock family history Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially Thanks Graham By-the-way, did you can get the exact date in the NSW BDM's..... This marriage of Colin T Lovelock was on the 20 Jul 1927, at Wickham, near Newcastle, NSW. You can get the exact date by narrowing the search range, from, 01/01/1927 to 31/12/1927, then try.....01/01/1927 to 01/07/1927, to see which half year it is then which quarter to which month then narrow the day range till you get close, them either side of the date to get the date of the event.......not to hard when you get as smart as me.....;-) ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graham Lovelock" <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> To: "Lovelock family history" <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 21 Mar, 2019 At 11:10 PM Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially Ah! - now I understand a little more - all the messages in the Archive are organised as threads with only the original message showing. The time to the right of that message indicates when the last message in the thread was posted. However, that does not explain why you did not get the original message in this thread, Col, but you did get a later one. Graham ________________________________ From: colinbm1 colinbm1 <colinbm1@bigpond.com> Sent: 21 March 2019 01:02 To: Lovelock family history Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially Hi Graham I can see no other refs to Colin T (Thomas) Lovelock.... Except the 26 in the Australian newspapers.... https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q&notWords&requestHandler&anyWords&exactPhrase=colin+lovelock&dateTo&dateFrom&sortby=dateAsc&s=0 & the one marriage. He is not showing in the Australian WWII rolls either. Cheers Col PS I didn't receive the original post....? ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graham Lovelock" <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> To: "Lovelock family history" <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 20 Mar, 2019 At 6:42 AM Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially I should have said 'I can find no reference to the adult Colin Thomas in the online UK data' as there is of course a 1911 Census entry ..... G ________________________________ From: Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> Sent: 19 March 2019 17:36 To: Lovelock family history Subject: One for our Australian readers especially Hello all, The 1901 UK Census includes the following household in Richmond Cottages, Byfleet, Surrey: Elijah Lovelock; Head; 62; born Bramley , Surrey Lucy Lovelock; Wife; 60; born Hickleton, Yorkshire Collin Lovelock; Grandson; 1; born Byfleet, Surrey 'Collin' was actually Colin Thomas Lovelock. We have an entry for Colin T Lovelock marrying Gladys W Glaysher in Wickham, New South Wales in 1927 amongst our collection of NSW records, and I am wondering if this is the same individual? I can find no other reference to Colin Thomas in the online UK data, but there is a reference to 'Colin Thomas Lovelock of Bays water Bond, Kings Cross, NSW, able seaman' in a publication named 'The Advocate' of 26 Jun 1937. Can anyone help? Regards, Graham [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks for the tip, Col. Mind you, there are 206 Deaths online in NSW, never mind all the Births and Marriages, so I won't be working through them all to find exact dates! And talking of deaths, there isn't an entry for Colin Thomas or Thomas Colin so either he lived into his nineties or he left NSW. And we still have no idea who his mother was ..... Regards, Graham ________________________________ From: colinbm1 colinbm1 <colinbm1@bigpond.com> Sent: 22 March 2019 02:06 To: Lovelock family history Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially Thanks Graham By-the-way, did you can get the exact date in the NSW BDM's..... This marriage of Colin T Lovelock was on the 20 Jul 1927, at Wickham, near Newcastle, NSW. You can get the exact date by narrowing the search range, from, 01/01/1927 to 31/12/1927, then try.....01/01/1927 to 01/07/1927, to see which half year it is then which quarter to which month then narrow the day range till you get close, them either side of the date to get the date of the event.......not to hard when you get as smart as me.....;-) ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graham Lovelock" <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> To: "Lovelock family history" <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 21 Mar, 2019 At 11:10 PM Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially Ah! - now I understand a little more - all the messages in the Archive are organised as threads with only the original message showing. The time to the right of that message indicates when the last message in the thread was posted. However, that does not explain why you did not get the original message in this thread, Col, but you did get a later one. Graham ________________________________ From: colinbm1 colinbm1 <colinbm1@bigpond.com> Sent: 21 March 2019 01:02 To: Lovelock family history Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially Hi Graham I can see no other refs to Colin T (Thomas) Lovelock.... Except the 26 in the Australian newspapers.... https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q&notWords&requestHandler&anyWords&exactPhrase=colin+lovelock&dateTo&dateFrom&sortby=dateAsc&s=0 & the one marriage. He is not showing in the Australian WWII rolls either. Cheers Col PS I didn't receive the original post....? ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graham Lovelock" <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> To: "Lovelock family history" <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 20 Mar, 2019 At 6:42 AM Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially I should have said 'I can find no reference to the adult Colin Thomas in the online UK data' as there is of course a 1911 Census entry ..... G ________________________________ From: Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> Sent: 19 March 2019 17:36 To: Lovelock family history Subject: One for our Australian readers especially Hello all, The 1901 UK Census includes the following household in Richmond Cottages, Byfleet, Surrey: Elijah Lovelock; Head; 62; born Bramley , Surrey Lucy Lovelock; Wife; 60; born Hickleton, Yorkshire Collin Lovelock; Grandson; 1; born Byfleet, Surrey 'Collin' was actually Colin Thomas Lovelock. We have an entry for Colin T Lovelock marrying Gladys W Glaysher in Wickham, New South Wales in 1927 amongst our collection of NSW records, and I am wondering if this is the same individual? I can find no other reference to Colin Thomas in the online UK data, but there is a reference to 'Colin Thomas Lovelock of Bays water Bond, Kings Cross, NSW, able seaman' in a publication named 'The Advocate' of 26 Jun 1937. Can anyone help? Regards, Graham [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail>

Thanks Graham By-the-way, did you can get the exact date in the NSW BDM's..... This marriage of Colin T Lovelock was on the 20 Jul 1927, at Wickham, near Newcastle, NSW. You can get the exact date by narrowing the search range, from, 01/01/1927 to 31/12/1927, then try.....01/01/1927 to 01/07/1927, to see which half year it is then which quarter to which month then narrow the day range till you get close, them either side of the date to get the date of the event.......not to hard when you get as smart as me.....;-) ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graham Lovelock" <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> To: "Lovelock family history" <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 21 Mar, 2019 At 11:10 PM Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially Ah! - now I understand a little more - all the messages in the Archive are organised as threads with only the original message showing. The time to the right of that message indicates when the last message in the thread was posted. However, that does not explain why you did not get the original message in this thread, Col, but you did get a later one. Graham ________________________________ From: colinbm1 colinbm1 <colinbm1@bigpond.com> Sent: 21 March 2019 01:02 To: Lovelock family history Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially Hi Graham I can see no other refs to Colin T (Thomas) Lovelock.... Except the 26 in the Australian newspapers.... https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q&notWords&requestHandler&anyWords&exactPhrase=colin+lovelock&dateTo&dateFrom&sortby=dateAsc&s=0 & the one marriage. He is not showing in the Australian WWII rolls either. Cheers Col PS I didn't receive the original post....? ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graham Lovelock" <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> To: "Lovelock family history" <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 20 Mar, 2019 At 6:42 AM Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially I should have said 'I can find no reference to the adult Colin Thomas in the online UK data' as there is of course a 1911 Census entry ..... G ________________________________ From: Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> Sent: 19 March 2019 17:36 To: Lovelock family history Subject: One for our Australian readers especially Hello all, The 1901 UK Census includes the following household in Richmond Cottages, Byfleet, Surrey: Elijah Lovelock; Head; 62; born Bramley , Surrey Lucy Lovelock; Wife; 60; born Hickleton, Yorkshire Collin Lovelock; Grandson; 1; born Byfleet, Surrey 'Collin' was actually Colin Thomas Lovelock. We have an entry for Colin T Lovelock marrying Gladys W Glaysher in Wickham, New South Wales in 1927 amongst our collection of NSW records, and I am wondering if this is the same individual? I can find no other reference to Colin Thomas in the online UK data, but there is a reference to 'Colin Thomas Lovelock of Bays water Bond, Kings Cross, NSW, able seaman' in a publication named 'The Advocate' of 26 Jun 1937. Can anyone help? 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Ah! - now I understand a little more - all the messages in the Archive are organised as threads with only the original message showing. The time to the right of that message indicates when the last message in the thread was posted. However, that does not explain why you did not get the original message in this thread, Col, but you did get a later one. Graham ________________________________ From: colinbm1 colinbm1 <colinbm1@bigpond.com> Sent: 21 March 2019 01:02 To: Lovelock family history Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially Hi Graham I can see no other refs to Colin T (Thomas) Lovelock.... Except the 26 in the Australian newspapers.... https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q&notWords&requestHandler&anyWords&exactPhrase=colin+lovelock&dateTo&dateFrom&sortby=dateAsc&s=0 & the one marriage. He is not showing in the Australian WWII rolls either. Cheers Col PS I didn't receive the original post....? ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graham Lovelock" <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> To: "Lovelock family history" <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 20 Mar, 2019 At 6:42 AM Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially I should have said 'I can find no reference to the adult Colin Thomas in the online UK data' as there is of course a 1911 Census entry ..... G ________________________________ From: Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> Sent: 19 March 2019 17:36 To: Lovelock family history Subject: One for our Australian readers especially Hello all, The 1901 UK Census includes the following household in Richmond Cottages, Byfleet, Surrey: Elijah Lovelock; Head; 62; born Bramley , Surrey Lucy Lovelock; Wife; 60; born Hickleton, Yorkshire Collin Lovelock; Grandson; 1; born Byfleet, Surrey 'Collin' was actually Colin Thomas Lovelock. We have an entry for Colin T Lovelock marrying Gladys W Glaysher in Wickham, New South Wales in 1927 amongst our collection of NSW records, and I am wondering if this is the same individual? I can find no other reference to Colin Thomas in the online UK data, but there is a reference to 'Colin Thomas Lovelock of Bays water Bond, Kings Cross, NSW, able seaman' in a publication named 'The Advocate' of 26 Jun 1937. Can anyone help? Regards, Graham [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail>

Oh what a naughty boy! I'm afraid, Col, that Rootsweb are having problems with their Mailing Lists, or at least with the Lovelock one. If you go to the Archive you will see that my original message is there, but not the follow-up to which you are responding. This is not the first time this has happened lately but Rootsweb are unable or unwilling to admit that anything is wrong. All I can suggest is a regular check of the Archive to ensure nothing is missed. https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/lovelock.rootsweb.com/2019/3/ Regards, Graham ________________________________ From: colinbm1 colinbm1 <colinbm1@bigpond.com> Sent: 21 March 2019 01:02 To: Lovelock family history Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially Hi Graham I can see no other refs to Colin T (Thomas) Lovelock.... Except the 26 in the Australian newspapers.... https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q&notWords&requestHandler&anyWords&exactPhrase=colin+lovelock&dateTo&dateFrom&sortby=dateAsc&s=0 & the one marriage. He is not showing in the Australian WWII rolls either. Cheers Col PS I didn't receive the original post....? ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graham Lovelock" <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> To: "Lovelock family history" <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 20 Mar, 2019 At 6:42 AM Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Australian readers especially I should have said 'I can find no reference to the adult Colin Thomas in the online UK data' as there is of course a 1911 Census entry ..... G ________________________________ From: Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> Sent: 19 March 2019 17:36 To: Lovelock family history Subject: One for our Australian readers especially Hello all, The 1901 UK Census includes the following household in Richmond Cottages, Byfleet, Surrey: Elijah Lovelock; Head; 62; born Bramley , Surrey Lucy Lovelock; Wife; 60; born Hickleton, Yorkshire Collin Lovelock; Grandson; 1; born Byfleet, Surrey 'Collin' was actually Colin Thomas Lovelock. We have an entry for Colin T Lovelock marrying Gladys W Glaysher in Wickham, New South Wales in 1927 amongst our collection of NSW records, and I am wondering if this is the same individual? I can find no other reference to Colin Thomas in the online UK data, but there is a reference to 'Colin Thomas Lovelock of Bays water Bond, Kings Cross, NSW, able seaman' in a publication named 'The Advocate' of 26 Jun 1937. Can anyone help? Regards, Graham [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community