Sounds like another excellent bit of sleuthing, Graham! Best wishes Sue ----Original message---- >From : lovelock@rootsweb.com Date : 18/06/2016 - 19:43 (GMTST) To : lovelock@rootsweb.com Subject : [LOVELOCK] Does this sound a likely story? Hello all, On our Crime and Punishment page we have a part of the sorry story of Louisa Lovelock: http://lovelock.free.fr/crime-and-punishment.html 'not presently linked to any family tree'. On 27 Apr 1874 Eliza Rebecca Lovelock married Edward Gorrie in St Pancras (Old Church). Witnesses to the marriage were Henry and Louisa Lovelock: http://lovelock.free.fr/documents/lovelocks-in-middlesex.html Eliza Rebecca, a member of the St Pancras (Main) Tree, had a half-brother Henry born on 28 Apr 1840: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/individual.php?pid=I80&ged=middlesex Henry was actually entered as Harry in the Baptism Register of St Anne's, Soho on 19 Oct 1842. In Oct-Dec 1866 Henry Lovelock married Louisa Howard in the Pancras RD. In 1871 Henry/Harry does not seem to have been recorded in the Census Returns, but a Louisa Lovelock, an Auctioneer's Porter's wife aged 27, born in Somers Town, was a patient in the Metropolitan Asylum District Hospital in Hampstead. In 1881 Harry and Louisa Lovelock were to be found at 169 Pancras Road, St Pancras when he was recorded as a Furniture Salesman, aged 40, and she was aged 36, born in Somers Town. In 1891 they were at 2 Regent Terrace, Islington, he an Auctioneer's Assistant aged 51 and she aged 43, born St Pancras (which for those unfamiliar with the geography includes Somers Town). Henry died in the first quarter of 1898, and thinking back to the 1871 entry for Louisa is it perhaps possible that his death triggered some latent mental problem, which led her into the series of thefts for which we have the record as above? Her age was recorded as 55 in 1899, and her 1901 Wormwood Scrubs census entry records her as 56, and a widow. In 1911 she was an inmate of the Islington Workhouse, and she eventually died in the Islington RD in Jan-Mar 1916. Unless anyone can detect a flaw in the argument that says Louisa Howard was the wife of Henry Lovelock from the St Pancras (Main) Tree, who after his death embarked on a mini-crimewave I propose to make the appropriate additions to the tree file and to rewrite some of the entry on the Crime and Punishment page. Regards Graham Virus-free. www.avast.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the PhpGedView portal: http://lovelock.free.fr/PGV/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all, On our Crime and Punishment page we have a part of the sorry story of Louisa Lovelock: http://lovelock.free.fr/crime-and-punishment.html 'not presently linked to any family tree'. On 27 Apr 1874 Eliza Rebecca Lovelock married Edward Gorrie in St Pancras (Old Church). Witnesses to the marriage were Henry and Louisa Lovelock: http://lovelock.free.fr/documents/lovelocks-in-middlesex.html Eliza Rebecca, a member of the St Pancras (Main) Tree, had a half-brother Henry born on 28 Apr 1840: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/individual.php?pid=I80&ged=middlesex Henry was actually entered as Harry in the Baptism Register of St Anne's, Soho on 19 Oct 1842. In Oct-Dec 1866 Henry Lovelock married Louisa Howard in the Pancras RD. In 1871 Henry/Harry does not seem to have been recorded in the Census Returns, but a Louisa Lovelock, an Auctioneer's Porter's wife aged 27, born in Somers Town, was a patient in the Metropolitan Asylum District Hospital in Hampstead. In 1881 Harry and Louisa Lovelock were to be found at 169 Pancras Road, St Pancras when he was recorded as a Furniture Salesman, aged 40, and she was aged 36, born in Somers Town. In 1891 they were at 2 Regent Terrace, Islington, he an Auctioneer's Assistant aged 51 and she aged 43, born St Pancras (which for those unfamiliar with the geography includes Somers Town). Henry died in the first quarter of 1898, and thinking back to the 1871 entry for Louisa is it perhaps possible that his death triggered some latent mental problem, which led her into the series of thefts for which we have the record as above? Her age was recorded as 55 in 1899, and her 1901 Wormwood Scrubs census entry records her as 56, and a widow. In 1911 she was an inmate of the Islington Workhouse, and she eventually died in the Islington RD in Jan-Mar 1916. Unless anyone can detect a flaw in the argument that says Louisa Howard was the wife of Henry Lovelock from the St Pancras (Main) Tree, who after his death embarked on a mini-crimewave I propose to make the appropriate additions to the tree file and to rewrite some of the entry on the Crime and Punishment page. Regards Graham Virus-free. www.avast.com

Hello all, One of the entries on our 'Strays' page concerns Madeline Lovelock, who makes just one appearance in the various on-line data sources: http://lovelock.free.fr/wip/Strays.html However, I have just noticed that in our 'Lovelocks in Gloucestershire' collection we have the marriage on 26 Aug 1883 of Madeline Lovelock and John William Lord. Madeline was declared to be 23 years old, and her father was Charles Edward Lovelock. It will come as no surprise to learn that Free BMD has no birth entry for a Madeline Lovelock in 1859 or 1860. In fact the first birth of a Madeline was not registered until 1886. The Lord family are easy enough to find in the 1891, 1901 and 1911 Census Returns, in which Madeline's details are as follows: 1891: Madeline F, age 29, born Beckenham, Kent 1901: Madeline F, age 38, born Beckenham, Kent 1911: Madeline Francis Agusta, age 48, born Bromley, Kent This leads us to an 1881 entry for Madeline Lovelock, aged 23, born in Kent. She eventually died at the declared age of 70 in 1933. The question therefore is were there two Madeline Lovelocks or one? If there were two it would be a remarkable coincidence for there to be no available record for the birth of either, and for both to have a father Charles Edward for whom Free BMD has no birth entry. Any comments, anyone? Regards Graham Virus-free. www.avast.com

Hi Graham 2 probates are linked: Olive Margaret LOVELOCK spinster 1957 probate to Edward John Russell Lovelock, merchant Florence Annie LOVELOCK widow 1943 probate to Olive Margaret Lovelock spinster Sorry I can't place them in a tree - but they would seem to be the daughter-in-law and grandchildren of Edward Lorenzo Russell Lovelock retired captain... !939 Register has Florence A Lovelock b.1881 widowed, with Olive M Lovelock b1912 private secretary, and Edward J R Lovelock b.1916 Works manager living at 6 Newton Ave, Manchester, Lancashire. Freebmd has: Births Sep 1912 Lovelock Olive M, mother Hardie, Chortlton RD Births Mar 1916 Lovelock Edward J R, mother Hardie, Barton I RD, Lancashire Marriages Mar 1911 Hardie Florence A, Lovelock John A, Barton I RD, Lancashire Deaths Sep 1925 Lovelock John A, 50Y, Manchester S RD, Lancashire Births Dec 1881 Hardie Florence Ann, Rochdale RD, Lancashire Births Jun 1875 Lovelock John Alexander Salford RD Lancashire In the discussion on Edward Lorenzo Russell Lovelock in 2013, you said you had constructed a tree - where can that be found? Does it have a name? Regards Vicki On 16 June 2016 at 01:37, Graham Lovelock via <lovelock@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello all, > > I have been working through the file which contains National Probate > Calendars Data from 1850 - 1995, trying to determine which of our family > trees each entry is connected with. > > There are still over 100 entries that I have been unable to allocate, but > I am sure there must be some on the Mailing List who can do better than me > at tracking down the affiliations. > > Please have a look - the problem ones (from my point of view!) are > obviously those with a question mark (?) in the right-hand column: > > http://lovelock.free.fr/documents/national-probate-wills-2.html > > Any contributions, as always, gratefully received. > > Regards > > Graham > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the PhpGedView portal: > http://lovelock.free.fr/PGV/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Graham  I can help on one entry only . Muriel Lovelock of 39 Taunton Ave, Raynes Pk London  Died on 03.01.1992 Was in fact my late mother, she was married to Edward James Bissett Lovelock. So that entry can now get a WR2 istead of the question mark, one down ninety nine to go. Thanks  Alyson From: Graham Lovelock via <lovelock@rootsweb.com> To: "lovelock@rootsweb.com" <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016, 14:37 Subject: [LOVELOCK] National Probate Calendars Data Hello all, I have been working through the file which contains National Probate Calendars Data from 1850 - 1995, trying to determine which of our family trees each entry is connected with. There are still over 100 entries that I have been unable to allocate, but I am sure there must be some on the Mailing List who can do better than me at tracking down the affiliations. Please have a look - the problem ones (from my point of view!) are obviously those with a question mark (?) in the right-hand column: http://lovelock.free.fr/documents/national-probate-wills-2.html Any contributions, as always, gratefully received. Regards Graham                     Virus-free. www.avast.com                                     ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the PhpGedView portal: http://lovelock.free.fr/PGV/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Graham The Dorothy May Lovelock of 10 Haig Road Stanmore who died on the 23rd December 1975 is my grandmother. She is buried in the Parish Church of St Lawrence Little Stanmore alias Whitchurch, Whitchurch Lane, Edgware along with my grandfather William James Lovelock who died in 1977. Hope this helps. Regards Doreen Sent from my iPad > On 15 Jun 2016, at 14:38, Graham Lovelock via <lovelock@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hello all, > > I have been working through the file which contains National Probate Calendars Data from 1850 - 1995, trying to determine which of our family trees each entry is connected with. > > There are still over 100 entries that I have been unable to allocate, but I am sure there must be some on the Mailing List who can do better than me at tracking down the affiliations. > > Please have a look - the problem ones (from my point of view!) are obviously those with a question mark (?) in the right-hand column: > > http://lovelock.free.fr/documents/national-probate-wills-2.html > > Any contributions, as always, gratefully received. > > Regards > > Graham > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the PhpGedView portal: > http://lovelock.free.fr/PGV/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all, I have been working through the file which contains National Probate Calendars Data from 1850 - 1995, trying to determine which of our family trees each entry is connected with. There are still over 100 entries that I have been unable to allocate, but I am sure there must be some on the Mailing List who can do better than me at tracking down the affiliations. Please have a look - the problem ones (from my point of view!) are obviously those with a question mark (?) in the right-hand column: http://lovelock.free.fr/documents/national-probate-wills-2.html Any contributions, as always, gratefully received. Regards Graham Virus-free. www.avast.com

Hi Graham There's a David J LOVELOCK in 1939 Register born 1934, with Edward & Ethel A LOVELOCK in Harrow, Middlesex. Edward was a painter and decorator. Looks like she later remarried to NUNN There's a marriage between Edward M LOVELOCK and Ethel A SHAKESPEARE in Dec 1924, Hendon, Middlesex. Not sure how that helps? Vicki Houlbrooke On 13 June 2016 at 06:45, Graham Lovelock via <lovelock@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello all, > > James David Lovelock was born on 19 Jan 1934. The birth is recorded by > Free BMD as taking place in the Pancras RD (which at that time was of > course the St Pancras RD), and his mother's maiden name was Matthews. > > There is no Lovelock/Matthews marriage that fits (I am discounting the > Thomas Woodhouse Lovelock/Ada Mary Matthews marriage from the Kingsclere > Line in 1921 as it seems an unlikely match) so I assume the bride had been > previously married. > > Does anyone know the answer to this particular riddle? > > Regards > > Graham > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the PhpGedView portal: > http://lovelock.free.fr/PGV/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello all, James David Lovelock was born on 19 Jan 1934. The birth is recorded by Free BMD as taking place in the Pancras RD (which at that time was of course the St Pancras RD), and his mother's maiden name was Matthews. There is no Lovelock/Matthews marriage that fits (I am discounting the Thomas Woodhouse Lovelock/Ada Mary Matthews marriage from the Kingsclere Line in 1921 as it seems an unlikely match) so I assume the bride had been previously married. Does anyone know the answer to this particular riddle? Regards Graham

Hello all, Additions have been made to 'Fragment E' which appears on our page of Ireland Lovelock Records: http://lovelock.free.fr/ireland-records.html Everything from Charles Bonnie Lovelock (in the 3rd generation of the Fragment) is new. Alas we still do not seem to know the origins of the William Ritchard Lovelock who heads the Fragment ..... unless you know different! Regards Graham

Hi Graham Not sure if this helps, but... 1901 Census there is an Ernest KENWARD (3 months old) living with Henry W LOVELOCK, Harriet & family (Lambeth-Australia Tree). Relationship to Head is stated as "cousin". Ernest's birth recorded as 1901 St Lukes Middlesex. Being so very young, maybe he was adopted by this family?? There is an earlier KENWARD - LOVELOCK marriage, which may or may not have any relevance. Eliza KENWARD married Thomas LOVELOCK (Berkshire Aldermaston Tree) Dec 1864 Marylebone. They can be found in Battersea in 1871, 1881, 1891 censuses, but no evidence of a James Kenward. Just thinking that maybe James was born before the marriage and he or his son later took up the Lovelock name - rather a long shot though. Regards Vicki Houlbrooke New Zealand On 1 June 2016 at 06:44, Graham Lovelock via <lovelock@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > Here's another puzzling individual. > > Free BMD records that Ernest J K Lovelock married Edith Louisa Wright in > the Bromley RD in Oct-Dec 1925. The 1939 Register gives his date of birth > as 3 Feb 1900. His death as Ernest James Kenward Lovelock occurred on 22 > Dec 1983 in Bexley RD. The death registration also quotes a birthdate of 3 > Feb 1900. We know the precise date of death from the Probate Calendars data > on the website. > > Free BMD has no record of the birth of an Ernest James K Lovelock, or even > of an Ernest James. > > The only Ernest J appearing in the 1901 Census was Ernest John born in > 1899 who was killed in France in 1917. He also appears in the 1911 Census. > > There is an Ernest James in the 1911 Census but he was born in Kildare, > Ireland in 1904. > > Fortunately the 'Geni' website provides some helpful information. This > suggests that the man in question was actually born Ernest James Kenward, > the son of James and Harriet (nee Mullis), and such a birth was indeed > registered in the Holborn RD in 1900. > > Alas what the 'Geni' website does not reveal is why he assumed the surname > of Lovelock. The 'obvious' answer would be that his mother married again to > a Lovelock and her son carried both surnames forward. However, there is no > record in Free BMD of such a marriage. > > Any ideas anyone? > > Regards > > Graham > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the PhpGedView portal: > http://lovelock.free.fr/PGV/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You've done it again, Vicki! I have checked the Census image again, because Ernest should have been nearer 13 months than 3 if he is the one born 3 Feb 1900. Unfortunately there are some checkmarks added after the Enumerator had finished his work, but I think it is arguable with the benefit of hindsight that the entry does say '13M'. St Lukes was covered by the Holborn RD, so I think that confirms the boy's identity. Rather oddly when I added the Census data to the Webtrees file I put Ernest's age down as 13 months, and yet did not adjust the entry on the main website (which I shall of course now do!), so I wonder what possessed me to do that as my usual method is to cut and paste from the main website to Webtrees? By 1911 the family had moved to Mottingham in Kent and Ernest (recorded as Earnest) aged 11 was recorded as a son of Henry and Harriet. Ernest's baptism in early March 1900 confirms his date of birth, and presumably both parents were present for that. However, I suspect that his mother is the Harriet Kenward whose death occurred in Oct-Dec 1900 (Pancras RD) at the age of 28. She was recorded as being 26 at her marriage on 17 Oct 1897. Various other bits of info identify Ernest's father as the James born in Oct-Dec 1860 in St Leonards, Sussex. I can't identify him in 1901 or 1911, so perhaps he is the man aged 40 who died in the Eastbourne RD in Apr-Jun 1901. Be all that as it may it does not explain why Ernest was recorded as a Cousin to Henry William Lovelock in 1901, as it would appear he was more of what used to be referred to as a nursechild. However, it would seem that he was adopted, informally one presumes, by the Lovelocks, hence the use of the epithet from at least 1911 onwards. He and Edith Wright had one daughter, who is still living as far as I can tell. Gosh - a puzzle resolved for once! Thanks again, Kind regards Graham Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 11:19:44 +1200 Subject: Re: [LOVELOCK] Ernest Lovelock From: vicki@houlbrooke.co.nz To: lovelockgraham@hotmail.com; lovelock@rootsweb.com Hi Graham Not sure if this helps, but... 1901 Census there is an Ernest KENWARD (3 months old) living with Henry W LOVELOCK, Harriet & family (Lambeth-Australia Tree). Relationship to Head is stated as "cousin". Ernest's birth recorded as 1901 St Lukes Middlesex. Being so very young, maybe he was adopted by this family?? There is an earlier KENWARD - LOVELOCK marriage, which may or may not have any relevance. Eliza KENWARD married Thomas LOVELOCK (Berkshire Aldermaston Tree) Dec 1864 Marylebone. They can be found in Battersea in 1871, 1881, 1891 censuses, but no evidence of a James Kenward. Just thinking that maybe James was born before the marriage and he or his son later took up the Lovelock name - rather a long shot though. Regards Vicki Houlbrooke New Zealand On 1 June 2016 at 06:44, Graham Lovelock via <lovelock@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello all, Here's another puzzling individual. Free BMD records that Ernest J K Lovelock married Edith Louisa Wright in the Bromley RD in Oct-Dec 1925. The 1939 Register gives his date of birth as 3 Feb 1900. His death as Ernest James Kenward Lovelock occurred on 22 Dec 1983 in Bexley RD. The death registration also quotes a birthdate of 3 Feb 1900. We know the precise date of death from the Probate Calendars data on the website. Free BMD has no record of the birth of an Ernest James K Lovelock, or even of an Ernest James. The only Ernest J appearing in the 1901 Census was Ernest John born in 1899 who was killed in France in 1917. He also appears in the 1911 Census. There is an Ernest James in the 1911 Census but he was born in Kildare, Ireland in 1904. Fortunately the 'Geni' website provides some helpful information. This suggests that the man in question was actually born Ernest James Kenward, the son of James and Harriet (nee Mullis), and such a birth was indeed registered in the Holborn RD in 1900. Alas what the 'Geni' website does not reveal is why he assumed the surname of Lovelock. The 'obvious' answer would be that his mother married again to a Lovelock and her son carried both surnames forward. However, there is no record in Free BMD of such a marriage. Any ideas anyone? Regards Graham ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the PhpGedView portal: http://lovelock.free.fr/PGV/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all, Here's another puzzling individual. Free BMD records that Ernest J K Lovelock married Edith Louisa Wright in the Bromley RD in Oct-Dec 1925. The 1939 Register gives his date of birth as 3 Feb 1900. His death as Ernest James Kenward Lovelock occurred on 22 Dec 1983 in Bexley RD. The death registration also quotes a birthdate of 3 Feb 1900. We know the precise date of death from the Probate Calendars data on the website. Free BMD has no record of the birth of an Ernest James K Lovelock, or even of an Ernest James. The only Ernest J appearing in the 1901 Census was Ernest John born in 1899 who was killed in France in 1917. He also appears in the 1911 Census. There is an Ernest James in the 1911 Census but he was born in Kildare, Ireland in 1904. Fortunately the 'Geni' website provides some helpful information. This suggests that the man in question was actually born Ernest James Kenward, the son of James and Harriet (nee Mullis), and such a birth was indeed registered in the Holborn RD in 1900. Alas what the 'Geni' website does not reveal is why he assumed the surname of Lovelock. The 'obvious' answer would be that his mother married again to a Lovelock and her son carried both surnames forward. However, there is no record in Free BMD of such a marriage. Any ideas anyone? Regards Graham

Hello all, Free BMD records the birth in Oct-Dec 1901 of Richard George Lovelock in the Lambeth RD. Free BMD also records the death in Jan-Mar 1962 of Richard G Lovelock, aged 60, in the Wandsworth RD. The images at Ancestry and Findmypast record the death in Jan-Mar 1981 of Richard George Lovelock in the Hounslow RD, date of birth 26 Nov 1902. Our Probate Calendar data tells us that the death occurred on 14 Feb 1981. Casting the net a little wider, Free BMD has no other birth of a Richard George between 1890 and 1910. The 1911 Census has only the Richard George born in 1901 and his namesake father who died in 1941. Knowing the propensity for some Lovelocks to reverse the order of their forenames I have also checked Free BMD for a George Richard and there is none between 1890 and 1910. The 1939 Register contains only two instances of a Richard G lovelock - the man born in 1901 and his father. There is no entry for a Richard born in 1902, nor for a George. Does anyone know the true identity of Richard George Lovelock born 26 Nov 1902, died 14 Feb 1981 or his origins? Regards Graham

Thanks Sue. The 1939 image actually shows that he was recorded as Reginald F Lovelock, and his occupation was actually Milk Purveyor (Retail). Bless those transcribers! Graham > Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 14:34:42 +0100 > From: lovelocks6@btinternet.com > To: lovelockgraham@hotmail.com; lovelock@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LOVELOCK] Which family tree? > > Hello Graham, > In case it helps anyone to identify the elusive Reginald F F Lovelock, I note that he served as a gunner in the Royal Artillery during WWI (service numbers 1306 & 955162). He married Winifred L Shoebridge in Q2 of 1938 in Surrey South Eastern RD, and in 1939 was living in Godstone, Surrey, working as a milk surveyor. (The 1939 register shows him as Reginald G F Lovelock but the presence of Winifred L is enough to convince me that the G is just another of the many transcription errors in the 1939 register.) > > But, like you, I have found no trace of him in the 1901 or 1911 census records. I'll have another think about it & let you know if I come across any more clues. > > Best wishes > Sue Lovelock > > > > ----Original message---- > From : lovelock@rootsweb.com > Date : 06/05/2016 - 17:09 (GMTST) > To : lovelock@rootsweb.com > Subject : [LOVELOCK] Which family tree? > > > > > Hello all, > > Can anybody place Reginald Francis Frederick Lovelock in one of our family trees? > > He was born in Oct-Dec 1895 in the Greenwich Registration District and died on 2 July 1962 according to our National Probate Calendar data. Alas he does not seem to be identifiable in either the 1901 or 1911 Census Returns, unless someone has a better search strategy than I and can track him down. > > Regards > > Graham > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the PhpGedView portal: > http://lovelock.free.fr/PGV/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Graham, In case it helps anyone to identify the elusive Reginald F F Lovelock, I note that he served as a gunner in the Royal Artillery during WWI (service numbers 1306 & 955162). He married Winifred L Shoebridge in Q2 of 1938 in Surrey South Eastern RD, and in 1939 was living in Godstone, Surrey, working as a milk surveyor. (The 1939 register shows him as Reginald G F Lovelock but the presence of Winifred L is enough to convince me that the G is just another of the many transcription errors in the 1939 register.) But, like you, I have found no trace of him in the 1901 or 1911 census records. I'll have another think about it & let you know if I come across any more clues. Best wishes Sue Lovelock ----Original message---- >From : lovelock@rootsweb.com Date : 06/05/2016 - 17:09 (GMTST) To : lovelock@rootsweb.com Subject : [LOVELOCK] Which family tree? Hello all, Can anybody place Reginald Francis Frederick Lovelock in one of our family trees? He was born in Oct-Dec 1895 in the Greenwich Registration District and died on 2 July 1962 according to our National Probate Calendar data. Alas he does not seem to be identifiable in either the 1901 or 1911 Census Returns, unless someone has a better search strategy than I and can track him down. Regards Graham ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the PhpGedView portal: http://lovelock.free.fr/PGV/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all, Can anybody place Reginald Francis Frederick Lovelock in one of our family trees? He was born in Oct-Dec 1895 in the Greenwich Registration District and died on 2 July 1962 according to our National Probate Calendar data. Alas he does not seem to be identifiable in either the 1901 or 1911 Census Returns, unless someone has a better search strategy than I and can track him down. Regards Graham

< I do not have the World Subscription which means I can not see the Castlebar burial entry,> The burial record states he was buried 1st April, and was Capt John B Lovelock, of Castlebar, for 25 years Barrack Master of that town and formerly Capt in the 28th regiment. The record is a transcription. And if I'm reading it right, original source was Freemans Journal. Helen Melbourne, Australia First name(s) John B Last name Lovelock Year 1819 Diocese Armagh Spouse's first name(s) Arabella S Spouse's last name Hamilton Same marriage - different years?! Findmypast also has a burial in Ireland:- Tipperary Clans Archive Transcription First name(s) John B Last name Lovelock Year 1849 Place Castlebar Graveyard 0 County Mayo But nothing to confirm him as the man you're looking for though. Hope this helps Vicki Houlbrooke On 16 April 2016 at 04:30, Graham Lovelock via <lovelock@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello all, An entry concerning John Birmingham Lovelock has been added to the 'Strays' page: http://lovelock.free.fr/wip/Strays.html If you can add to the information in any way whatever please let us know. Regards Graham ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the PhpGedView portal: http://lovelock.free.fr/PGV/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the PhpGedView portal: http://lovelock.free.fr/PGV/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Graham A Google search reveals:- Saint Luran's Parish Church, Derryloran, County Tyrone Birth, Baptized, Marriage, Death Records in the Years 1810-1829 Marriages 1820 Jan 15 John Birmingham Lovelock Sr (Birmingham is underlined) Leut 29th foot reg. & Anabella Sophia Hamilton, widow of the late Wm Hamilton of Cookstown Licence No other Lovelock entries. Findmypast has:- Ireland Diocesan and Prerogative Marriage Licence Bonds indexes 1623-1866 Transcription First name(s) John B Last name Lovelock Year 1819 Diocese Armagh Spouse's first name(s) Arabella S Spouse's last name Hamilton Same marriage - different years?! Findmypast also has a burial in Ireland:- Tipperary Clans Archive Transcription First name(s) John B Last name Lovelock Year 1849 Place Castlebar Graveyard 0 County Mayo But nothing to confirm him as the man you're looking for though. Hope this helps Vicki Houlbrooke On 16 April 2016 at 04:30, Graham Lovelock via <lovelock@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello all, > > An entry concerning John Birmingham Lovelock has been added to the > 'Strays' page: > > http://lovelock.free.fr/wip/Strays.html > > If you can add to the information in any way whatever please let us know. > > Regards > > Graham > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the PhpGedView portal: > http://lovelock.free.fr/PGV/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Interesting mix of information there, Helen. If he was Barrack Master up until his death he would have been appointed in 1824, just before he went on to half pay, which seems odd as the post does not seem to have been a sinecure. Perhaps there were ways of supplementing one's pay. Very odd that he is referred to as a Captain in the 28th when everything else points to him being a Lieutenant in the 29th. The two regiments would not have been confused by anyone with any military familiarity. Interesting also that his rank is not included in that Address to Earl Lucan, and in a document associated with The Hibernian Society, which concerned itself with spreading the scriptures amongst Irish children, he is recorded as John B Lovelock Esquire, as indeed he is if that is he mentioned on the gravestone in Galway. Regards Graham > From: helmar@bigpond.net.au > To: lovelockgraham@hotmail.com; lovelock@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 22:10:26 +1000 > > < I do not have the World Subscription which means I can not see the > Castlebar burial entry,> > > The burial record states he was buried 1st April, and was Capt John B > Lovelock, of Castlebar, for 25 years Barrack Master of that town and > formerly Capt in the 28th regiment. > > The record is a transcription. And if I'm reading it right, original source > was Freemans Journal. > > Helen > Melbourne, Australia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First name(s) > John B > > > Last name > Lovelock > > > Year > 1819 > > > Diocese > Armagh > > > Spouse's first name(s) > Arabella S > > > Spouse's last name > Hamilton > Same marriage - different years?! > > Findmypast also has a burial in Ireland:- > > Tipperary Clans Archive Transcription > First name(s) > John B > > > Last name > Lovelock > > > Year > 1849 > > > Place > Castlebar > > > Graveyard > 0 > > > County > Mayo > But nothing to confirm him as the man you're looking for though. > > Hope this helps > Vicki Houlbrooke > > On 16 April 2016 at 04:30, Graham Lovelock via <lovelock@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > Hello all, > > > > An entry concerning John Birmingham Lovelock has been added to the 'Strays' > page: > > > > http://lovelock.free.fr/wip/Strays.html > > > > If you can add to the information in any way whatever please let us know. > > > > Regards > > > > Graham > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > > Browse Lovelock trees on the PhpGedView portal: > > http://lovelock.free.fr/PGV/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the PhpGedView portal: > http://lovelock.free.fr/PGV/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >