Hello all, George William Lovelock was born in Jul-Sep 1874 and died in early January 1875, both in the Hackney RD. He was buried in the City of London and Tower Hamlets Cemetery on 15 Jan 1875. Frederick Lovelock was born in Oct-Dec 1876 and died in Jan-Mar 1878, both in the Poplar RD. The GRO Online Index shows that in both cases the mother's maiden name was BAKER. However, the only Lovelock/Baker marriages that Free BMD lists are Henry L to Eliza Baker in 1859 in Maidstone RD and George L to Sarah Bryant Baker in 1863 in Croydon RD. Henry died in 1873 and Eliza in 1888 respectively, both in the Maidstone RD, and they had been recorded there in the 1861 and 1871 Census Returns, so they seem most unlikely to be the parents of George William and Frederick above. George and Sarah died in 1885 and Eliza in 1897 respectively, both in the Croydon RD, and they had been recorded there in the 1871 and 1881 Census Returns, so they also seem most unlikely to be the parents of George William and Frederick above. Has anyone come across evidence of another Lovelock/Baker marriage that Free BMD does not include, or have one or other, or both, of the names been corrupted? Regards, Graham

Hello all, Wilfred James Lovelock died at the age of one in the Brentford RD in the Jan-Mar quarter of 1909. His birth was registered in the Brentford RD in the Apr-Jun quarter of 1907, and the GRO Online Index reveals his mother's maiden name as NULLEY. However, as there is no record of a Lovelock/Nulley marriage I assumed the bride had been previously married. Nice theory, but..... Free BMD has only one marriage of anyone named Nulley in the whole period from 1838 to 1907, and that was of a James Nulley in Brighton in 1857. Clearly, no matter how young his wife was she would be extremely unlikely to be able to produce a son in 1907! So just where and when did Mr Lovelock and Miss or Mrs Nulley marry? Another factor to take into account is that the only Nulley deaths in Free BMD's data are in 1849 and 1863, so if Mr Lovelock married a widowed Mrs Nulley her husband must have died abroad. There are no other records of a Lovelock/Nulley birth. I turned then to the 1901 Census and that does contain three Nulleys, including a Sarah aged 16 born in Arborfield in Berkshire. I believe, since there is no Nulley birth, that she might in fact be the Sarah NUTLEY whose birth was registered in Apr-Jun 1866 in the Wokingham RD, which includes Arborfield. She married an Alfred Eddy Sibley in 1909 and can be found easily in the 1911 Census, so can be eliminated from further enquiries. Can anyone supply any information which would avoid Wilfred James becoming another member of our 'Strays' page? Regards, Graham

Hello all, The Ropley, Crondall and Dogmersfield Tree contains Arthur Charles Lovelock (born 1878 according to the GRO Index entry we have recorded, but claimed by him at other times to be 1875 or 1876) and his wife Victoria Stilwell. They were recorded in Petersfield, Hampshire in the 1901 Census but Arthur went to the USA in 1904, Victoria followed in 1906, and they were recorded in Cook County, Illinois in 1910, 1920 and 1930 - in Chicago in the latter two cases. According to the FamilySearch website Victoria died on 24 April 1930. How then to explain another item on the FamilySearch website which records the birth in Chicago on 20 March 1927 of Ethel Alida Lovelock, the daughter of Arthur C Lovelock (age 52, born in England) and Ethel Jeanette Workman (age 30, born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin)? The birth of the Arthur Charles Lovelock who married Victoria Stilwell was recorded in the name of Arthur only, and in fact there was no Arthur Charles born before 1881, so it seems most unlikely that there is more than one man involved here. In 1940 Arthur C Lovelock (63) was recorded in Chicago with wife Ethel A (43), who died in 1985. But in 1930 Ethel Lovelock, with daughter Ethel, was with her parents in Iowa. If you can explain this unusual set of circumstances please reply off-list in deference to those who may be related and still living. Regards, Graham

Hello all, Shaun Lovelock is a member of the Ropley - Tidcombe Trees. An old friend of his is trying to re-establish contact with him. Does anyone know how to reach him? If so please contact me off-list. Thanks in anticipation, Graham Sent from Samsung Mobile

Back when I was running Lovelock Lines more actively, we ran an article that mentioned this guy and eventually were contacted by Australian member of his immediate family who promised us an article. Then he disappeared untraceably, but you'll find our article under the title "The Clapham Junction Line" in our second (2005) edition - http://lovelock.free.fr/l-lines/lovelock-lines-2nd-ed.pdf. Robin Lovelock is still around and said there that the money was stolen from the family factory, not a bank - but maybe the detail is that it was diverted from its bank account. Robin has a website here http://www.tsogpss.co.uk.gridhosted.co.uk/family.htm If he's not a member of the list, you could ask him. Yann From: Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> To: Lovelock mailing list <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 11 April 2017, 21:06 Subject: [LOVELOCK] Fw: An addition to the Crime and Punishment page Hello all, Marty Lovelock has asked if anyone can help regarding the following: He has another potential addition for the Crime and Punishment page but has not been able to verify the details of the crime. What he does have is family oral history concerning Thomas Charles lovelock (Dowdeswell, Gloucestershire tree) b. 1868, son of Thomas Charles and Sarah (Croucher). He was christened as Thomas Francis Albert but known by family and appeared in census documents as Thomas Charles. He is reputed to have been accused of embezzling, along with a fellow accountant, 250,000 pounds from the Bank of England and running off to Australia to avoid capture, not to be heard of again. This theft would have occurred after 1901 when he was still listed in the census as a victualler, presumably in the Tally Ho Public House which his mother had inherited on his father's death. Marty's family know the pub was sold to a brewery some time before 1916, so they assume that Thomas then worked at the Bank in some accounting capacity as he had been schooled in that field. Here's the dilemma: Marty is unable to identify that such a theft took place. He has searched the British Newspaper Archives from 1900 and found no reference, but wonders if the Bank may not have publicly acknowledged such activities. Thomas does not appear in the 1911 census so it seems quite possible that he had left the country, yet Marty is unable to find him among the passenger lists which he is able to search (but then, as a fugitive, he may have adopted an alias or possibly departed from a port on the Continent). Marty can also not find a record of him entering Australia. Does anyone have any suggestions on how this family mystery might be solved? Regards, Graham ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all, Marty Lovelock has asked if anyone can help regarding the following: He has another potential addition for the Crime and Punishment page but has not been able to verify the details of the crime. What he does have is family oral history concerning Thomas Charles lovelock (Dowdeswell, Gloucestershire tree) b. 1868, son of Thomas Charles and Sarah (Croucher). He was christened as Thomas Francis Albert but known by family and appeared in census documents as Thomas Charles. He is reputed to have been accused of embezzling, along with a fellow accountant, 250,000 pounds from the Bank of England and running off to Australia to avoid capture, not to be heard of again. This theft would have occurred after 1901 when he was still listed in the census as a victualler, presumably in the Tally Ho Public House which his mother had inherited on his father's death. Marty's family know the pub was sold to a brewery some time before 1916, so they assume that Thomas then worked at the Bank in some accounting capacity as he had been schooled in that field. Here's the dilemma: Marty is unable to identify that such a theft took place. He has searched the British Newspaper Archives from 1900 and found no reference, but wonders if the Bank may not have publicly acknowledged such activities. Thomas does not appear in the 1911 census so it seems quite possible that he had left the country, yet Marty is unable to find him among the passenger lists which he is able to search (but then, as a fugitive, he may have adopted an alias or possibly departed from a port on the Continent). Marty can also not find a record of him entering Australia. Does anyone have any suggestions on how this family mystery might be solved? Regards, Graham

Hello all, I have just added to the Crime and Punishment page the transcript of a piece published in the 'London Daily Advertiser' of 25 April 1738. The item concerns John Lovelock and his wife Patty (nee Cam), and whilst a little confusing paints a picture of John as a thorough scoundrel. I have not come across any report of his eventual sentence, but considering the size of the finances involved it should have been severe. The transcript is about a third of the way down the page: http://lovelock.free.fr/crime-and-punishment.html Regards, Graham

Dear all Unfortunately I am not able to offer any help on this one. To the best of my knowledge these people were not part of my family (Descended from Isaac Lovelock who emigrated to New Zealand from Kent on the Bolton in 1840) Best wishes all (New Zealand Graham Lovelock now living in Oxford) > On 10 April 2017 at 23:44 Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > I was wondering if you would be able to help on this one, Vicki, and so it seems. > > > I think we can probably assume now that the date of birth recorded in 1939 was an error, deliberate or otherwise, and that there only ever was one James C (Charles) Lovelock. > > > Interesting that he was in Otago by 1954 as he does not seem to be in any of the ships' passengers data that I can access online. I presume he and Elsie divorced before he left the UK as she died here, and his marriage to Hazel is not in the UK records either, so presumably that was a NZ event, although neither that nor Hazel's death are in the data Mary Pipe put together for us. > > > All three of James and Elsie's daughters seem to be still living, as far as UK records are concerned. Two of them married two brothers, and have 5 children between them, but the third appears not to have married. > > > The GRO Online Index reveals that James' mother's maiden name was Thompson, so this places him in the Ropley, Crondall and Dogmersfield Tree. Alas, this does not help to find a 1911 Census entry - the family (which should have included James' brother William Edward as well) somehow escaped being recorded. > > > Many thanks to both - I will amend the Tree shortly. > > > Regards, > > > Graham > > > ________________________________ > From: LOVELOCK <lovelock-bounces+lovelockgraham=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Vicki Houlbrooke <vicki@houlbrooke.co.nz> > Sent: 09 April 2017 23:35 > To: lovelocks6@btinternet.com; lovelock@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LOVELOCK] James C Lovelock > > Hi Graham, and Sue > > I have a bit more on James Charles LOVELOCK 1910-1975 in NZ. > > UK Births Mar 1911 LOVELOCK James C, Kingston, [SRY], 2a, 485 > > ? 1911 Census - not found > ? NZ Electoral Roll 1954 James Charles Lovelock, Central Otago, Otago > > NZ Death 23876/1975 [49007] LOVELOCK James Charles, DOB 21 Dec 1910, 64Y, > Papakura > > NZ Herald [7 Nov 1975]: "LOVELOCK, James Charles. On November 6, 1975 > (suddenly) at his residence (31 Hyde St, Manurewa), loved husband and > partner of Hazel. At rest. A service will be held at the Purewa Crematorium > Chapel, Meadowbank, tomorrow (Saturday) at 10 am. In place of flowers, > donations may be made to the National Heart Foundation, PO Box 17-128, > Green Lane." > NZ Herald [7 Nov 1975]: "LOVELOCK, Charles. On November 6, 1975. Sadly > missed. Dear friend and workmate of the maintenance staff at Kensington > Carpets." > > Purewa Cemetery Cremations: James Charles Lovelock, Sex Male, Age 64, Birth > year 1911, Death year -, Last residence 31 Hyde Street, Manurewa, Auckland, > Cremation date 08/11/1975, Cremation method Interment, Funeral director > Yearberry's Funeral Services, Comment Ashes Interred Plot 10/X/9, > Registration number 29327, Country New Zealand > > NZSG Probate: LOVELOCK James Charles, Auckland, Engineer, Auckland Court, > BBAE 1570 0584/76, Filed 9 Mar 1976, Will, Auckland Archives > > Regards > Vicki Houlbrooke > > On 10 April 2017 at 01:52, SUE LOVELOCK <lovelocks6@btinternet.com> wrote: > > > Hello Graham, > > I finally got round to having a look at this one. It's a bit of a long > > shot but there is a death entry for a James C Lovelock who was born 21 Dec > > 1910 (and therefore likely to have been registered in Q1 1911) - it's in > > New Zealand in 1975. His last residence is given as 31 Hyde Street, > > Manurewa, Auckland. He was cremated 8 Nov 1975 and his ashes were interred > > in a plot in Purewa Cemetery. Could this possibly be our man?? > > > > Regards > > Sue > > > > > > ----Original message---- > > From : lovelockgraham@hotmail.com > > Date : 04/04/2017 - 12:39 (GMTST) > > To : lovelock@rootsweb.com > > Subject : [LOVELOCK] James C Lovelock > > > > Hello all , > > > > > > Here's a simple one to state but a tricky one to resolve. > > > > > > The 1939 Register records James C Lovelock in Hampton, Middlesex, born 21 > > Dec 1909. > > > > > > Free BMD and the GRO Online database have no record of such a birth. They > > both do have the birth of a James C (Charles) Lovelock in the Jan-Mar > > quarter of 1911. > > > > > > In the 1939 Register James is recorded with a wife Elsie M, and Free BMD > > reveals that this is Elsie May Winslet; the couple married in Apr-Jun 1932 > > and had 3 daughters. > > > > > > Elsie May died in 1972, with the birthdate in the entry matching that in > > the 1939 entry. > > > > > > However, there does not seem to be a death entry for James C born in 1909 > > or James Charles born in 1911. > > > > Of course the 1909 birth might have been registered in Jan-Mar 1910, and > > the 1911 birth might actually have taken place in late 1910, but there is > > still no death entry that would fit either of those situations. > > > > > > Can anyone indicate James' origins and ultimate fate? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > > Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: > > http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > > Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: > > http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: > http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: > http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Indeed, that might have happened, Yann, but I do not have any internet access to any Ships' Passenger data that includes James C. Perhaps others do ..... Graham ________________________________ From: LOVELOCK <lovelock-bounces+lovelockgraham=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Yann Lovelock <yanda_lovelock@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: 10 April 2017 17:35 To: Graham Lovelock; lovelock@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LOVELOCK] James C Lovelock Had you thought of checking whether they arrived in NZ via Oz? Yann From: Graham Lovelock <graham.lovelock@xtra.co.nz> To: Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com>; lovelocks6@btinternet.com; lovelock@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 10 April 2017, 16:44 Subject: Re: [LOVELOCK] James C Lovelock Dear all Unfortunately I am not able to offer any help on this one. To the best of my knowledge these people were not part of my family (Descended from Isaac Lovelock who emigrated to New Zealand from Kent on the Bolton in 1840) Best wishes all (New Zealand Graham Lovelock now living in Oxford) > On 10 April 2017 at 23:44 Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > I was wondering if you would be able to help on this one, Vicki, and so it seems. > > > I think we can probably assume now that the date of birth recorded in 1939 was an error, deliberate or otherwise, and that there only ever was one James C (Charles) Lovelock. > > > Interesting that he was in Otago by 1954 as he does not seem to be in any of the ships' passengers data that I can access online. I presume he and Elsie divorced before he left the UK as she died here, and his marriage to Hazel is not in the UK records either, so presumably that was a NZ event, although neither that nor Hazel's death are in the data Mary Pipe put together for us. > > > All three of James and Elsie's daughters seem to be still living, as far as UK records are concerned. Two of them married two brothers, and have 5 children between them, but the third appears not to have married. > > > The GRO Online Index reveals that James' mother's maiden name was Thompson, so this places him in the Ropley, Crondall and Dogmersfield Tree. Alas, this does not help to find a 1911 Census entry - the family (which should have included James' brother William Edward as well) somehow escaped being recorded. > > > Many thanks to both - I will amend the Tree shortly. > > > Regards, > > > Graham > > > ________________________________ > From: LOVELOCK <lovelock-bounces+lovelockgraham=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Vicki Houlbrooke <vicki@houlbrooke.co.nz> > Sent: 09 April 2017 23:35 > To: lovelocks6@btinternet.com; lovelock@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LOVELOCK] James C Lovelock > > Hi Graham, and Sue > > I have a bit more on James Charles LOVELOCK 1910-1975 in NZ. > > UK Births Mar 1911 LOVELOCK James C, Kingston, [SRY], 2a, 485 > > ? 1911 Census - not found > ? NZ Electoral Roll 1954 James Charles Lovelock, Central Otago, Otago > > NZ Death 23876/1975 [49007] LOVELOCK James Charles, DOB 21 Dec 1910, 64Y, > Papakura > > NZ Herald [7 Nov 1975]: "LOVELOCK, James Charles. On November 6, 1975 > (suddenly) at his residence (31 Hyde St, Manurewa), loved husband and > partner of Hazel. At rest. A service will be held at the Purewa Crematorium > Chapel, Meadowbank, tomorrow (Saturday) at 10 am. In place of flowers, > donations may be made to the National Heart Foundation, PO Box 17-128, > Green Lane." > NZ Herald [7 Nov 1975]: "LOVELOCK, Charles. On November 6, 1975. Sadly > missed. Dear friend and workmate of the maintenance staff at Kensington > Carpets." > > Purewa Cemetery Cremations: James Charles Lovelock, Sex Male, Age 64, Birth > year 1911, Death year -, Last residence 31 Hyde Street, Manurewa, Auckland, > Cremation date 08/11/1975, Cremation method Interment, Funeral director > Yearberry's Funeral Services, Comment Ashes Interred Plot 10/X/9, > Registration number 29327, Country New Zealand > > NZSG Probate: LOVELOCK James Charles, Auckland, Engineer, Auckland Court, > BBAE 1570 0584/76, Filed 9 Mar 1976, Will, Auckland Archives > > Regards > Vicki Houlbrooke > > On 10 April 2017 at 01:52, SUE LOVELOCK <lovelocks6@btinternet.com> wrote: > > > Hello Graham, > > I finally got round to having a look at this one. It's a bit of a long > > shot but there is a death entry for a James C Lovelock who was born 21 Dec > > 1910 (and therefore likely to have been registered in Q1 1911) - it's in > > New Zealand in 1975. His last residence is given as 31 Hyde Street, > > Manurewa, Auckland. He was cremated 8 Nov 1975 and his ashes were interred > > in a plot in Purewa Cemetery. Could this possibly be our man?? > > > > Regards > > Sue > > > > > > ----Original message---- > > From : lovelockgraham@hotmail.com > > Date : 04/04/2017 - 12:39 (GMTST) > > To : lovelock@rootsweb.com > > Subject : [LOVELOCK] James C Lovelock > > > > Hello all , > > > > > > Here's a simple one to state but a tricky one to resolve. > > > > > > The 1939 Register records James C Lovelock in Hampton, Middlesex, born 21 > > Dec 1909. > > > > > > Free BMD and the GRO Online database have no record of such a birth. They > > both do have the birth of a James C (Charles) Lovelock in the Jan-Mar > > quarter of 1911. > > > > > > In the 1939 Register James is recorded with a wife Elsie M, and Free BMD > > reveals that this is Elsie May Winslet; the couple married in Apr-Jun 1932 > > and had 3 daughters. > > > > > > Elsie May died in 1972, with the birthdate in the entry matching that in > > the 1939 entry. > > > > > > However, there does not seem to be a death entry for James C born in 1909 > > or James Charles born in 1911. > > > > Of course the 1909 birth might have been registered in Jan-Mar 1910, and > > the 1911 birth might actually have taken place in late 1910, but there is > > still no death entry that would fit either of those situations. > > > > > > Can anyone indicate James' origins and ultimate fate? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > > Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: > > http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > > Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: > > http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: > http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: > http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Had you thought of checking whether they arrived in NZ via Oz? Yann From: Graham Lovelock <graham.lovelock@xtra.co.nz> To: Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com>; lovelocks6@btinternet.com; lovelock@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 10 April 2017, 16:44 Subject: Re: [LOVELOCK] James C Lovelock Dear all Unfortunately I am not able to offer any help on this one. To the best of my knowledge these people were not part of my family (Descended from Isaac Lovelock who emigrated to New Zealand from Kent on the Bolton in 1840) Best wishes all (New Zealand Graham Lovelock now living in Oxford) > On 10 April 2017 at 23:44 Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > I was wondering if you would be able to help on this one, Vicki, and so it seems. > > > I think we can probably assume now that the date of birth recorded in 1939 was an error, deliberate or otherwise, and that there only ever was one James C (Charles) Lovelock. > > > Interesting that he was in Otago by 1954 as he does not seem to be in any of the ships' passengers data that I can access online. I presume he and Elsie divorced before he left the UK as she died here, and his marriage to Hazel is not in the UK records either, so presumably that was a NZ event, although neither that nor Hazel's death are in the data Mary Pipe put together for us. > > > All three of James and Elsie's daughters seem to be still living, as far as UK records are concerned. Two of them married two brothers, and have 5 children between them, but the third appears not to have married. > > > The GRO Online Index reveals that James' mother's maiden name was Thompson, so this places him in the Ropley, Crondall and Dogmersfield Tree. Alas, this does not help to find a 1911 Census entry - the family (which should have included James' brother William Edward as well) somehow escaped being recorded. > > > Many thanks to both - I will amend the Tree shortly. > > > Regards, > > > Graham > > > ________________________________ > From: LOVELOCK <lovelock-bounces+lovelockgraham=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Vicki Houlbrooke <vicki@houlbrooke.co.nz> > Sent: 09 April 2017 23:35 > To: lovelocks6@btinternet.com; lovelock@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LOVELOCK] James C Lovelock > > Hi Graham, and Sue > > I have a bit more on James Charles LOVELOCK 1910-1975 in NZ. > > UK Births Mar 1911 LOVELOCK James C, Kingston, [SRY], 2a, 485 > > ? 1911 Census - not found > ? NZ Electoral Roll 1954 James Charles Lovelock, Central Otago, Otago > > NZ Death 23876/1975 [49007] LOVELOCK James Charles, DOB 21 Dec 1910, 64Y, > Papakura > > NZ Herald [7 Nov 1975]: "LOVELOCK, James Charles. On November 6, 1975 > (suddenly) at his residence (31 Hyde St, Manurewa), loved husband and > partner of Hazel. At rest. A service will be held at the Purewa Crematorium > Chapel, Meadowbank, tomorrow (Saturday) at 10 am. In place of flowers, > donations may be made to the National Heart Foundation, PO Box 17-128, > Green Lane." > NZ Herald [7 Nov 1975]: "LOVELOCK, Charles. On November 6, 1975. Sadly > missed. Dear friend and workmate of the maintenance staff at Kensington > Carpets." > > Purewa Cemetery Cremations: James Charles Lovelock, Sex Male, Age 64, Birth > year 1911, Death year -, Last residence 31 Hyde Street, Manurewa, Auckland, > Cremation date 08/11/1975, Cremation method Interment, Funeral director > Yearberry's Funeral Services, Comment Ashes Interred Plot 10/X/9, > Registration number 29327, Country New Zealand > > NZSG Probate: LOVELOCK James Charles, Auckland, Engineer, Auckland Court, > BBAE 1570 0584/76, Filed 9 Mar 1976, Will, Auckland Archives > > Regards > Vicki Houlbrooke > > On 10 April 2017 at 01:52, SUE LOVELOCK <lovelocks6@btinternet.com> wrote: > > > Hello Graham, > > I finally got round to having a look at this one. It's a bit of a long > > shot but there is a death entry for a James C Lovelock who was born 21 Dec > > 1910 (and therefore likely to have been registered in Q1 1911) - it's in > > New Zealand in 1975. His last residence is given as 31 Hyde Street, > > Manurewa, Auckland. He was cremated 8 Nov 1975 and his ashes were interred > > in a plot in Purewa Cemetery. Could this possibly be our man?? > > > > Regards > > Sue > > > > > > ----Original message---- > > From : lovelockgraham@hotmail.com > > Date : 04/04/2017 - 12:39 (GMTST) > > To : lovelock@rootsweb.com > > Subject : [LOVELOCK] James C Lovelock > > > > Hello all , > > > > > > Here's a simple one to state but a tricky one to resolve. > > > > > > The 1939 Register records James C Lovelock in Hampton, Middlesex, born 21 > > Dec 1909. > > > > > > Free BMD and the GRO Online database have no record of such a birth. They > > both do have the birth of a James C (Charles) Lovelock in the Jan-Mar > > quarter of 1911. > > > > > > In the 1939 Register James is recorded with a wife Elsie M, and Free BMD > > reveals that this is Elsie May Winslet; the couple married in Apr-Jun 1932 > > and had 3 daughters. > > > > > > Elsie May died in 1972, with the birthdate in the entry matching that in > > the 1939 entry. > > > > > > However, there does not seem to be a death entry for James C born in 1909 > > or James Charles born in 1911. > > > > Of course the 1909 birth might have been registered in Jan-Mar 1910, and > > the 1911 birth might actually have taken place in late 1910, but there is > > still no death entry that would fit either of those situations. > > > > > > Can anyone indicate James' origins and ultimate fate? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > > Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: > > http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > > Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: > > http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: > http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: > http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was wondering if you would be able to help on this one, Vicki, and so it seems. I think we can probably assume now that the date of birth recorded in 1939 was an error, deliberate or otherwise, and that there only ever was one James C (Charles) Lovelock. Interesting that he was in Otago by 1954 as he does not seem to be in any of the ships' passengers data that I can access online. I presume he and Elsie divorced before he left the UK as she died here, and his marriage to Hazel is not in the UK records either, so presumably that was a NZ event, although neither that nor Hazel's death are in the data Mary Pipe put together for us. All three of James and Elsie's daughters seem to be still living, as far as UK records are concerned. Two of them married two brothers, and have 5 children between them, but the third appears not to have married. The GRO Online Index reveals that James' mother's maiden name was Thompson, so this places him in the Ropley, Crondall and Dogmersfield Tree. Alas, this does not help to find a 1911 Census entry - the family (which should have included James' brother William Edward as well) somehow escaped being recorded. Many thanks to both - I will amend the Tree shortly. Regards, Graham ________________________________ From: LOVELOCK <lovelock-bounces+lovelockgraham=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Vicki Houlbrooke <vicki@houlbrooke.co.nz> Sent: 09 April 2017 23:35 To: lovelocks6@btinternet.com; lovelock@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LOVELOCK] James C Lovelock Hi Graham, and Sue I have a bit more on James Charles LOVELOCK 1910-1975 in NZ. UK Births Mar 1911 LOVELOCK James C, Kingston, [SRY], 2a, 485 ? 1911 Census - not found ? NZ Electoral Roll 1954 James Charles Lovelock, Central Otago, Otago NZ Death 23876/1975 [49007] LOVELOCK James Charles, DOB 21 Dec 1910, 64Y, Papakura NZ Herald [7 Nov 1975]: "LOVELOCK, James Charles. On November 6, 1975 (suddenly) at his residence (31 Hyde St, Manurewa), loved husband and partner of Hazel. At rest. A service will be held at the Purewa Crematorium Chapel, Meadowbank, tomorrow (Saturday) at 10 am. In place of flowers, donations may be made to the National Heart Foundation, PO Box 17-128, Green Lane." NZ Herald [7 Nov 1975]: "LOVELOCK, Charles. On November 6, 1975. Sadly missed. Dear friend and workmate of the maintenance staff at Kensington Carpets." Purewa Cemetery Cremations: James Charles Lovelock, Sex Male, Age 64, Birth year 1911, Death year -, Last residence 31 Hyde Street, Manurewa, Auckland, Cremation date 08/11/1975, Cremation method Interment, Funeral director Yearberry's Funeral Services, Comment Ashes Interred Plot 10/X/9, Registration number 29327, Country New Zealand NZSG Probate: LOVELOCK James Charles, Auckland, Engineer, Auckland Court, BBAE 1570 0584/76, Filed 9 Mar 1976, Will, Auckland Archives Regards Vicki Houlbrooke On 10 April 2017 at 01:52, SUE LOVELOCK <lovelocks6@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hello Graham, > I finally got round to having a look at this one. It's a bit of a long > shot but there is a death entry for a James C Lovelock who was born 21 Dec > 1910 (and therefore likely to have been registered in Q1 1911) - it's in > New Zealand in 1975. His last residence is given as 31 Hyde Street, > Manurewa, Auckland. He was cremated 8 Nov 1975 and his ashes were interred > in a plot in Purewa Cemetery. Could this possibly be our man?? > > Regards > Sue > > > ----Original message---- > From : lovelockgraham@hotmail.com > Date : 04/04/2017 - 12:39 (GMTST) > To : lovelock@rootsweb.com > Subject : [LOVELOCK] James C Lovelock > > Hello all , > > > Here's a simple one to state but a tricky one to resolve. > > > The 1939 Register records James C Lovelock in Hampton, Middlesex, born 21 > Dec 1909. > > > Free BMD and the GRO Online database have no record of such a birth. They > both do have the birth of a James C (Charles) Lovelock in the Jan-Mar > quarter of 1911. > > > In the 1939 Register James is recorded with a wife Elsie M, and Free BMD > reveals that this is Elsie May Winslet; the couple married in Apr-Jun 1932 > and had 3 daughters. > > > Elsie May died in 1972, with the birthdate in the entry matching that in > the 1939 entry. > > > However, there does not seem to be a death entry for James C born in 1909 > or James Charles born in 1911. > > Of course the 1909 birth might have been registered in Jan-Mar 1910, and > the 1911 birth might actually have taken place in late 1910, but there is > still no death entry that would fit either of those situations. > > > Can anyone indicate James' origins and ultimate fate? > > > Regards, > > > Graham > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: > http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: > http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Graham, and Sue I have a bit more on James Charles LOVELOCK 1910-1975 in NZ. UK Births Mar 1911 LOVELOCK James C, Kingston, [SRY], 2a, 485 ? 1911 Census - not found ? NZ Electoral Roll 1954 James Charles Lovelock, Central Otago, Otago NZ Death 23876/1975 [49007] LOVELOCK James Charles, DOB 21 Dec 1910, 64Y, Papakura NZ Herald [7 Nov 1975]: "LOVELOCK, James Charles. On November 6, 1975 (suddenly) at his residence (31 Hyde St, Manurewa), loved husband and partner of Hazel. At rest. A service will be held at the Purewa Crematorium Chapel, Meadowbank, tomorrow (Saturday) at 10 am. In place of flowers, donations may be made to the National Heart Foundation, PO Box 17-128, Green Lane." NZ Herald [7 Nov 1975]: "LOVELOCK, Charles. On November 6, 1975. Sadly missed. Dear friend and workmate of the maintenance staff at Kensington Carpets." Purewa Cemetery Cremations: James Charles Lovelock, Sex Male, Age 64, Birth year 1911, Death year -, Last residence 31 Hyde Street, Manurewa, Auckland, Cremation date 08/11/1975, Cremation method Interment, Funeral director Yearberry's Funeral Services, Comment Ashes Interred Plot 10/X/9, Registration number 29327, Country New Zealand NZSG Probate: LOVELOCK James Charles, Auckland, Engineer, Auckland Court, BBAE 1570 0584/76, Filed 9 Mar 1976, Will, Auckland Archives Regards Vicki Houlbrooke On 10 April 2017 at 01:52, SUE LOVELOCK <lovelocks6@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hello Graham, > I finally got round to having a look at this one. It's a bit of a long > shot but there is a death entry for a James C Lovelock who was born 21 Dec > 1910 (and therefore likely to have been registered in Q1 1911) - it's in > New Zealand in 1975. His last residence is given as 31 Hyde Street, > Manurewa, Auckland. He was cremated 8 Nov 1975 and his ashes were interred > in a plot in Purewa Cemetery. Could this possibly be our man?? > > Regards > Sue > > > ----Original message---- > From : lovelockgraham@hotmail.com > Date : 04/04/2017 - 12:39 (GMTST) > To : lovelock@rootsweb.com > Subject : [LOVELOCK] James C Lovelock > > Hello all , > > > Here's a simple one to state but a tricky one to resolve. > > > The 1939 Register records James C Lovelock in Hampton, Middlesex, born 21 > Dec 1909. > > > Free BMD and the GRO Online database have no record of such a birth. They > both do have the birth of a James C (Charles) Lovelock in the Jan-Mar > quarter of 1911. > > > In the 1939 Register James is recorded with a wife Elsie M, and Free BMD > reveals that this is Elsie May Winslet; the couple married in Apr-Jun 1932 > and had 3 daughters. > > > Elsie May died in 1972, with the birthdate in the entry matching that in > the 1939 entry. > > > However, there does not seem to be a death entry for James C born in 1909 > or James Charles born in 1911. > > Of course the 1909 birth might have been registered in Jan-Mar 1910, and > the 1911 birth might actually have taken place in late 1910, but there is > still no death entry that would fit either of those situations. > > > Can anyone indicate James' origins and ultimate fate? > > > Regards, > > > Graham > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: > http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: > http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Graham, I finally got round to having a look at this one. It's a bit of a long shot but there is a death entry for a James C Lovelock who was born 21 Dec 1910 (and therefore likely to have been registered in Q1 1911) - it's in New Zealand in 1975. His last residence is given as 31 Hyde Street, Manurewa, Auckland. He was cremated 8 Nov 1975 and his ashes were interred in a plot in Purewa Cemetery. Could this possibly be our man?? Regards Sue ----Original message---- >From : lovelockgraham@hotmail.com Date : 04/04/2017 - 12:39 (GMTST) To : lovelock@rootsweb.com Subject : [LOVELOCK] James C Lovelock Hello all , Here's a simple one to state but a tricky one to resolve. The 1939 Register records James C Lovelock in Hampton, Middlesex, born 21 Dec 1909. Free BMD and the GRO Online database have no record of such a birth. They both do have the birth of a James C (Charles) Lovelock in the Jan-Mar quarter of 1911. In the 1939 Register James is recorded with a wife Elsie M, and Free BMD reveals that this is Elsie May Winslet; the couple married in Apr-Jun 1932 and had 3 daughters. Elsie May died in 1972, with the birthdate in the entry matching that in the 1939 entry. However, there does not seem to be a death entry for James C born in 1909 or James Charles born in 1911. Of course the 1909 birth might have been registered in Jan-Mar 1910, and the 1911 birth might actually have taken place in late 1910, but there is still no death entry that would fit either of those situations. Can anyone indicate James' origins and ultimate fate? Regards, Graham ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all , Here's a simple one to state but a tricky one to resolve. The 1939 Register records James C Lovelock in Hampton, Middlesex, born 21 Dec 1909. Free BMD and the GRO Online database have no record of such a birth. They both do have the birth of a James C (Charles) Lovelock in the Jan-Mar quarter of 1911. In the 1939 Register James is recorded with a wife Elsie M, and Free BMD reveals that this is Elsie May Winslet; the couple married in Apr-Jun 1932 and had 3 daughters. Elsie May died in 1972, with the birthdate in the entry matching that in the 1939 entry. However, there does not seem to be a death entry for James C born in 1909 or James Charles born in 1911. Of course the 1909 birth might have been registered in Jan-Mar 1910, and the 1911 birth might actually have taken place in late 1910, but there is still no death entry that would fit either of those situations. Can anyone indicate James' origins and ultimate fate? Regards, Graham

Hello Graham, The Irish Census record for 1911 shows Cormack Rooney and his wife Mary living in Leeson Street (Falls Road area) in Belfast. He was born in Co Sligo but her place of birth is shown as Wiltshire, and 3 children from her first marriage are living with them (James, Sarah and Eliza Cunningham), all born in Belfast. Cormack was a carpenter. I also found a record from the 1901 census which shows Mary Jane Cunnigham (sic) with Francis and 6 children, including the 3 mentioned above. There is a death entry for a Francis Cunningham in Jul-Sep 1903 in Belfast, which fits in well. It records that he was born in 1857, and the census entry gives year of birth as 1856 which is close enough. Francis was a dealer in fish, though the census record says he was illiterate. Sadly this entry only records Mary's place of birth as England. And the birth entries for their children do not mention mother's maiden name. My hunch is that Mary Jane may have been the daughter of George and Mary (nee Comley) on the Lyneham line, though George is usually shown as an agricultural labourer rather than a gardener. However there seems to be no trace of her after 1881 and I guess Francis took her back to Ireland after their marriage. If I find anything more conclusive I'll let you know. Kind regards Sue ----Original message---- >From : lovelockgraham@hotmail.com Date : 23/03/2017 - 16:20 (GMTST) To : lovelock@rootsweb.com Subject : [LOVELOCK] Mary Jane Lovelock Hello all, Our small collection of Irish records includes the marriage in Belfast on 4 Sep 1909 of Cormack Rooney and Mary Jane Cunningham. Mary Jane's father is named as George Lovelock, Gardener, and she was recorded as a widow. A Mary Jane Lovelock may have married Francis Cunningham in the Devizes RD in Jan-Mar 1882. Does anyone know if the Mary Jane in each event is the same lady, and if so what her origins were? Regards, Graham ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Z -------- Original message --------From: Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> Date: 25/03/2017 21:46 (GMT+08:00) To: Lovelock mailing list <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LOVELOCK] 1939 and All That Hello all, When a new family history resource appears online it often helps to clarify relationships that have puzzled us for some time, but it can also generate some new puzzles to take the place of those it has solved. The 1939 Register is no exception. Consider for example the following. At 24 Stanhope Road in the Chislehurst and Sidcup district in Kent in 1939 were Ernest J Lovelock and Edith L Lovelock, who were both married, and we therefore assume to each other. A quick check in the Free BMD data reveals that Ernest J K Lovelock married Edith L Wright in the Oct-Dec quarter of 1925. Ernest's date of birth is quite clearly recorded in the 1939 Register as 3 Feb 1900. Free BMD has no record of an Ernest J born in 1900, nor of an Ernest J K born at any time. There are two births of an Ernest J in the period 1870-1910, both being Ernest John: Oct-Dec 1877 in the Hungerford RD and Apr-Jun 1899 in the Islington RD. Turning to the records of deaths, the man born in 1877 died at the age of 66 in Apr-Jun 1944 in the Warwick RD, and there was another death aged 53 in Apr-Jun 1956 in the Ealing RD. So we have a birthdate in 1900 that apparently can not be true, another birthdate in 1902 or 1903 that also apparently can not be true, a man born in 1899 who has apparently yet to die, and a man who married in 1925 that was apparently never born. Nil desperandum, as the saying goes. For the death was recorded in Oct-Dec 1983 of Ernest James K Lovelock, with a birthdate of 3 Feb 1900. So the man married in 1925 must surely have been born in 1900, but clearly not as a Lovelock, unless he was born overseas. There were in fact two UK births registered in the Apr-Jun quarter (none in the Jan-Mar quarter) of 1900 of interest: Ernest James Kelly Edwards (mother Kelly) in the Lewisham RD and Ernest James Kitchener Fawcett (mother Burt) in the Dewsbury RD. And so we move on to the next problem: there are no records of a Lovelock/Fawcett marriage between 1900 and 1925 that would explain a change of name. There are seven Lovelock/Edwards marriages, but none of them look to be likely candidates. To cap it all, I have not been able to identify Ernest James K Edwards/Fawcett/Lovelock in either the 1901 or 1911 Census Returns. Any ideas, anyone? Regards, Graham ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELOCK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all, When a new family history resource appears online it often helps to clarify relationships that have puzzled us for some time, but it can also generate some new puzzles to take the place of those it has solved. The 1939 Register is no exception. Consider for example the following. At 24 Stanhope Road in the Chislehurst and Sidcup district in Kent in 1939 were Ernest J Lovelock and Edith L Lovelock, who were both married, and we therefore assume to each other. A quick check in the Free BMD data reveals that Ernest J K Lovelock married Edith L Wright in the Oct-Dec quarter of 1925. Ernest's date of birth is quite clearly recorded in the 1939 Register as 3 Feb 1900. Free BMD has no record of an Ernest J born in 1900, nor of an Ernest J K born at any time. There are two births of an Ernest J in the period 1870-1910, both being Ernest John: Oct-Dec 1877 in the Hungerford RD and Apr-Jun 1899 in the Islington RD. Turning to the records of deaths, the man born in 1877 died at the age of 66 in Apr-Jun 1944 in the Warwick RD, and there was another death aged 53 in Apr-Jun 1956 in the Ealing RD. So we have a birthdate in 1900 that apparently can not be true, another birthdate in 1902 or 1903 that also apparently can not be true, a man born in 1899 who has apparently yet to die, and a man who married in 1925 that was apparently never born. Nil desperandum, as the saying goes. For the death was recorded in Oct-Dec 1983 of Ernest James K Lovelock, with a birthdate of 3 Feb 1900. So the man married in 1925 must surely have been born in 1900, but clearly not as a Lovelock, unless he was born overseas. There were in fact two UK births registered in the Apr-Jun quarter (none in the Jan-Mar quarter) of 1900 of interest: Ernest James Kelly Edwards (mother Kelly) in the Lewisham RD and Ernest James Kitchener Fawcett (mother Burt) in the Dewsbury RD. And so we move on to the next problem: there are no records of a Lovelock/Fawcett marriage between 1900 and 1925 that would explain a change of name. There are seven Lovelock/Edwards marriages, but none of them look to be likely candidates. To cap it all, I have not been able to identify Ernest James K Edwards/Fawcett/Lovelock in either the 1901 or 1911 Census Returns. Any ideas, anyone? Regards, Graham

Hello all, Henry G Lovelock married Mary Christina Meade in the Gosport Registration District in the Jul-Sep quarter of 1942. Mary was born on 27 Dec 1923, as recorded in the 1939 Register and the registration of her death in June 1997. But who was her husband? The only births of a Henry G Lovelock in Free BMD's data after 1880 were in Jul-Sep 1893 (Hendon RD) and Oct-Dec 1898 (Kingston RD). The latter died in the same quarter as his birth, leaving only the man born in 1893 who seems unlikely to have been the husband of Mary, being 30 years older than her. There is, however, no apparent record of his death. An HG Lovelock was killed in Belgium in 1917, but his age is not recorded and, apart from the Henry G born in 1893, there are a couple of other possible candidates. Wondering whether Mary Meade's husband may have been one of those men who reversed the order of their forenames I have searched for a possible G H Lovelock, but that only turns up George Henry in 1898 (West Ham), which again seems rather early. Henry and Mary had two daughters, both of whom married in the Gosport area and are still living. Can anyone identify Henry G Lovelock? Regards, Graham