Hello Vicki, There doesn't seem to be any Will of Isaac's anywhere online, so no clues from that direction I'm afraid - unless you have better luck than me. I have added the deduced birth and burial details to Ann Moss. As there is no burial date for Isaac, his death might be the reason there were only the 2 children. I shall follow your suggestion for adding the marriage to Elias Isaac to Mary's entry, with appropriate Notes to record its (at this stage) speculative nature. Watch out for the next puzzle shortly! Regards, Graham From: vicki.houlbrooke@gmail.com <vicki.houlbrooke@gmail.com> on behalf of Vicki Houlbrooke <vicki@houlbrooke.co.nz> Sent: 09 April 2018 10:54 To: Lovelock family history Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: Luckington Tree Hi Graham If Mary Lovelock were the one baptised in 1775 at Bitton, the daughter of Isaac & Ann Lovelock - would there be anything helpful in a will of Isaac Lovelock? I see Isaac & Ann only appear to have had 2 children, mind you, Isaac must have been about 48 years when he married. (There is a burial of an Ann Lovelock in Bitton in 1816 - aged 75, born about 1741. Her abode was Oldham Common. This would make her about 34 years when married). I couldn't find a burial for Isaac Lovelock. There seem to be Tax records for Oldham up to 1811, then nothing. Would it be helpful to "pencil in" the marriage of Mary Lovelock to Elias Isaac, under the Luckington tree and hope for some further information in future? Regards Vicki On 9 April 2018 at 05:02, Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for checking things out, Vicky. > > Elias's will is available on Ancestry - I hadn't thought to check that - > but it doesn't tell us a lot. Essentially Elias left everything to Mary as > you would expect, and on her death it was all to pass to his daughter > Elizabeth. The only new fact that comes to light is that Elias died on 18 > Oct 1840. > > As he made the Will on 8 Feb 1840 Mary was still alive then, and indeed > when Elizabeth pursued probate on 3 Sep 1841 Mary was apparently still > living. So she can't be the lady who died in 1823. There was the death of a > Mary in the Chipping Sodbury RD (interestingly enough - to me! - where my > house is located) in 1853 and the GRO Online Index gives her age as 75, > indicating a birth in 1778. That would mean she married at 19, when Elias > was already 45 which does seem a little unlikely, although clearly not > impossible. IF, a big if, Mary fibbed at some point about her age she could > be the one baptised in Bitton in 1775. That would make her 21, coming on 22 > at the time of the marriage, and as an example of the possibility of her > being the right lady I quote the instance of my own father and mother who > were 44 and 22 respectively when they married. > > However, that's all a bit of a red herring I suspect as the 1851 Census > has a Mary Isaac, aged 74, the wife of Moses, at Horton, which is in the > Chipping Sodbury RD, and she seems more likely to be the one who died in > 1853. > > Back to Free BMD deaths in Chipping Sodbury RD : there is only Mary Ann > Isaac in 1856 but she was only 35. > > No likely looking re-marriages, so I turned to Elizabeth, who I thought > must be the girl baptised in 1803. The Will shows that she was still > unmarried in Sep 1841. There are no marriages after that date in the > Chipping Sodbury area, but there are no less than 5 deaths up to 1861. The > GRO Online Index provides: > > Died 1844, age 44 > > Died 1847, age 72 > > Died 1849, age 85 > > Died 1851, age 78 > > Died 1861, age 68 > > Drat! But, nil desperandum, as we are often wont to say. In Oct-Dec 1882 > there was the death of a 79 year-old in the Gloucester RD. No proof, of > course, but at least it's a fit. Alas this Elizabeth left no Will, but she > is easy enough to find in the 1881 Census, in Longford St Mary, which is a > part of the Gloucester RD. She was living, apparently as an aunt, with a > Charles Washbourne (spelt Washborn by the Enumerator) and his wife Jemima > (nee Ashbee). Haven't pursued that pairing, but the important part of the > entry is that Elizabeth was 78 years old and born in Sodbury, which I think > clinches it. Infuriatingly I have not been able to find her in 1841, 1851 > or 1861, and the 1871 entry adds nothing of substance, except that, > probably not surprisingly, Mary was not with her. > > Trying to think of other avenues of enquiry ..... > > Graham > ________________________________ > From: vicki.houlbrooke@gmail.com <vicki.houlbrooke@gmail.com> on behalf > of Vicki Houlbrooke <vicki@houlbrooke.co.nz> > Sent: 08 April 2018 05:57 > To: Lovelock family history > Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: Luckington Tree > > Hi Graham > > I have checked findmypast and can only add:- > In 1795 an Elias Isaac was a Cordwainer Master with an apprentice called > Benjamin Rallings > In 1841 in the Consistory Court of Gloucestershire, the will of Elias > Isaac, Cordwainer, Old Sodbury, was proved > In 1841 Index to Death Duty Registers, Elias Isaac, Old Sodbury, Elizth > Isaac, Gloster. > > Also there is another marriage of an Elias Isaac to Sarah Long 1822, > Tetbury (15 miles away) and a child called John born 1825 ??? > > Couldn't find an appropriate death / burial for Mary Isaac, unless... > .... one in Marshfield (6.4 miles away) in 1823 aged 57Y, which could link > with Mary Lovelock baptised 1765. > > Would the will be worth pursuing? Sorry, I couldn't find it at National > Archives. > > Regards > Vicki Houlbrooke > > On 8 April 2018 at 03:53, Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > I have been indulging in some musing regarding the Luckington Tree. > > Although we have identified every other Tormarton event as part of that > > Tree, the marriage of Mary Lovelock and Elias Issac on 4 Jun 1797 is not > > presently so attributed. > > > > The main reason for this seems to be that there is no record of Mary's > > baptism in the Tormarton records. The imagery at Ancestry of the relevant > > record slip in the Pallot Index shows that at the time of the marriage > Mary > > was 'of Tormarton' whilst Elias was 'of Old Sodbury'. > > > > An Elias 'of Old Sodbury' was buried in Old Sodbury on 22 Oct 1840 at the > > age of 88, indicating a birth in about 1752. Is that too early for a man > > married in 1797? It certainly would make him much older than the average > > age at marriage for the times. There was a baptism in Old Sodbury of an > > Elias on 20 Jan 1754, which could well be the man who died in 1840, and > he > > also looks likely to be the one who married Betty Margrove in Old Sodbury > > on 23 May 1774. > > > > An Elizabeth Isaac was buried in Old Sodbury on 27 Feb 1793, which would > > conveniently free up Elias to marry Mary Lovelock. (Incidentally, I am > > relying on the imagery at Ancestry.co.uk for most of this information.) > > Elias and Betty baptised Ann (1774), Samuel (1776), Hannah (1778), Jane > > (1780), Sarah (1782), Edward (1785), Harriet (1788) and Elias (1790) at > Old > > Sodbury, so with such a comparatively young family after Betty died he > > might well have decided to take another wife. > > > > If this is the same man, Elias and Mary baptised Jemima (1799), Elias > > (1800) and Elizabeth (1803) in Old Sodbury. What indirectly supports the > > idea that it's the same Elias fathering both families is the burial in > Old > > Sodbury on 13 Sep 1791 of an Elias, possibly he that had been baptised > the > > year before. > > > > This is all very well, but the big question is who was Mary Lovelock? > > Although said at her marriage to be 'of Tormarton' there is no record of > > her birth in the Tormarton Register. There are currently 3 Marys in the > > Luckington file of whom all we know is their baptism dates: 26 Jun 1763 > in > > Doynton, 13 Jan 1765 in Poole Keynes, and 18 Nov 1775 in Bitton. I have > not > > been able to find any link between any of them and Tormarton or Elias > > Isaac, so my musing must needs remain just that ..... > > > > ..... unless, of course, you know different! > > > > Regards, > > > > Graham

Hi Graham If Mary Lovelock were the one baptised in 1775 at Bitton, the daughter of Isaac & Ann Lovelock - would there be anything helpful in a will of Isaac Lovelock? I see Isaac & Ann only appear to have had 2 children, mind you, Isaac must have been about 48 years when he married. (There is a burial of an Ann Lovelock in Bitton in 1816 - aged 75, born about 1741. Her abode was Oldham Common. This would make her about 34 years when married). I couldn't find a burial for Isaac Lovelock. There seem to be Tax records for Oldham up to 1811, then nothing. Would it be helpful to "pencil in" the marriage of Mary Lovelock to Elias Isaac, under the Luckington tree and hope for some further information in future? Regards Vicki On 9 April 2018 at 05:02, Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for checking things out, Vicky. > > > Elias's will is available on Ancestry - I hadn't thought to check that - > but it doesn't tell us a lot. Essentially Elias left everything to Mary as > you would expect, and on her death it was all to pass to his daughter > Elizabeth. The only new fact that comes to light is that Elias died on 18 > Oct 1840. > > > As he made the Will on 8 Feb 1840 Mary was still alive then, and indeed > when Elizabeth pursued probate on 3 Sep 1841 Mary was apparently still > living. So she can't be the lady who died in 1823. There was the death of a > Mary in the Chipping Sodbury RD (interestingly enough - to me! - where my > house is located) in 1853 and the GRO Online Index gives her age as 75, > indicating a birth in 1778. That would mean she married at 19, when Elias > was already 45 which does seem a little unlikely, although clearly not > impossible. IF, a big if, Mary fibbed at some point about her age she could > be the one baptised in Bitton in 1775. That would make her 21, coming on 22 > at the time of the marriage, and as an example of the possibility of her > being the right lady I quote the instance of my own father and mother who > were 44 and 22 respectively when they married. > > > However, that's all a bit of a red herring I suspect as the 1851 Census > has a Mary Isaac, aged 74, the wife of Moses, at Horton, which is in the > Chipping Sodbury RD, and she seems more likely to be the one who died in > 1853. > > > Back to Free BMD deaths in Chipping Sodbury RD : there is only Mary Ann > Isaac in 1856 but she was only 35. > > > No likely looking re-marriages, so I turned to Elizabeth, who I thought > must be the girl baptised in 1803. The Will shows that she was still > unmarried in Sep 1841. There are no marriages after that date in the > Chipping Sodbury area, but there are no less than 5 deaths up to 1861. The > GRO Online Index provides: > > > Died 1844, age 44 > > Died 1847, age 72 > > Died 1849, age 85 > > Died 1851, age 78 > > Died 1861, age 68 > > Drat! But, nil desperandum, as we are often wont to say. In Oct-Dec 1882 > there was the death of a 79 year-old in the Gloucester RD. No proof, of > course, but at least it's a fit. Alas this Elizabeth left no Will, but she > is easy enough to find in the 1881 Census, in Longford St Mary, which is a > part of the Gloucester RD. She was living, apparently as an aunt, with a > Charles Washbourne (spelt Washborn by the Enumerator) and his wife Jemima > (nee Ashbee). Haven't pursued that pairing, but the important part of the > entry is that Elizabeth was 78 years old and born in Sodbury, which I think > clinches it. Infuriatingly I have not been able to find her in 1841, 1851 > or 1861, and the 1871 entry adds nothing of substance, except that, > probably not surprisingly, Mary was not with her. > > Trying to think of other avenues of enquiry ..... > > Graham > > > > ________________________________ > From: vicki.houlbrooke@gmail.com <vicki.houlbrooke@gmail.com> on behalf > of Vicki Houlbrooke <vicki@houlbrooke.co.nz> > Sent: 08 April 2018 05:57 > To: Lovelock family history > Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: Luckington Tree > > Hi Graham > > I have checked findmypast and can only add:- > In 1795 an Elias Isaac was a Cordwainer Master with an apprentice called > Benjamin Rallings > In 1841 in the Consistory Court of Gloucestershire, the will of Elias > Isaac, Cordwainer, Old Sodbury, was proved > In 1841 Index to Death Duty Registers, Elias Isaac, Old Sodbury, Elizth > Isaac, Gloster. > > Also there is another marriage of an Elias Isaac to Sarah Long 1822, > Tetbury (15 miles away) and a child called John born 1825 ??? > > Couldn't find an appropriate death / burial for Mary Isaac, unless... > .... one in Marshfield (6.4 miles away) in 1823 aged 57Y, which could link > with Mary Lovelock baptised 1765. > > Would the will be worth pursuing? Sorry, I couldn't find it at National > Archives. > > Regards > Vicki Houlbrooke > > On 8 April 2018 at 03:53, Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > I have been indulging in some musing regarding the Luckington Tree. > > Although we have identified every other Tormarton event as part of that > > Tree, the marriage of Mary Lovelock and Elias Issac on 4 Jun 1797 is not > > presently so attributed. > > > > The main reason for this seems to be that there is no record of Mary's > > baptism in the Tormarton records. The imagery at Ancestry of the relevant > > record slip in the Pallot Index shows that at the time of the marriage > Mary > > was 'of Tormarton' whilst Elias was 'of Old Sodbury'. > > > > An Elias 'of Old Sodbury' was buried in Old Sodbury on 22 Oct 1840 at the > > age of 88, indicating a birth in about 1752. Is that too early for a man > > married in 1797? It certainly would make him much older than the average > > age at marriage for the times. There was a baptism in Old Sodbury of an > > Elias on 20 Jan 1754, which could well be the man who died in 1840, and > he > > also looks likely to be the one who married Betty Margrove in Old Sodbury > > on 23 May 1774. > > > > An Elizabeth Isaac was buried in Old Sodbury on 27 Feb 1793, which would > > conveniently free up Elias to marry Mary Lovelock. (Incidentally, I am > > relying on the imagery at Ancestry.co.uk for most of this information.) > > Elias and Betty baptised Ann (1774), Samuel (1776), Hannah (1778), Jane > > (1780), Sarah (1782), Edward (1785), Harriet (1788) and Elias (1790) at > Old > > Sodbury, so with such a comparatively young family after Betty died he > > might well have decided to take another wife. > > > > If this is the same man, Elias and Mary baptised Jemima (1799), Elias > > (1800) and Elizabeth (1803) in Old Sodbury. What indirectly supports the > > idea that it's the same Elias fathering both families is the burial in > Old > > Sodbury on 13 Sep 1791 of an Elias, possibly he that had been baptised > the > > year before. > > > > This is all very well, but the big question is who was Mary Lovelock? > > Although said at her marriage to be 'of Tormarton' there is no record of > > her birth in the Tormarton Register. There are currently 3 Marys in the > > Luckington file of whom all we know is their baptism dates: 26 Jun 1763 > in > > Doynton, 13 Jan 1765 in Poole Keynes, and 18 Nov 1775 in Bitton. I have > not > > been able to find any link between any of them and Tormarton or Elias > > Isaac, so my musing must needs remain just that ..... > > > > ..... unless, of course, you know different! > > > > Regards, > > > > Graham > > > > _______________________________________________ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: > http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. 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Thanks for checking things out, Vicky. Elias's will is available on Ancestry - I hadn't thought to check that - but it doesn't tell us a lot. Essentially Elias left everything to Mary as you would expect, and on her death it was all to pass to his daughter Elizabeth. The only new fact that comes to light is that Elias died on 18 Oct 1840. As he made the Will on 8 Feb 1840 Mary was still alive then, and indeed when Elizabeth pursued probate on 3 Sep 1841 Mary was apparently still living. So she can't be the lady who died in 1823. There was the death of a Mary in the Chipping Sodbury RD (interestingly enough - to me! - where my house is located) in 1853 and the GRO Online Index gives her age as 75, indicating a birth in 1778. That would mean she married at 19, when Elias was already 45 which does seem a little unlikely, although clearly not impossible. IF, a big if, Mary fibbed at some point about her age she could be the one baptised in Bitton in 1775. That would make her 21, coming on 22 at the time of the marriage, and as an example of the possibility of her being the right lady I quote the instance of my own father and mother who were 44 and 22 respectively when they married. However, that's all a bit of a red herring I suspect as the 1851 Census has a Mary Isaac, aged 74, the wife of Moses, at Horton, which is in the Chipping Sodbury RD, and she seems more likely to be the one who died in 1853. Back to Free BMD deaths in Chipping Sodbury RD : there is only Mary Ann Isaac in 1856 but she was only 35. No likely looking re-marriages, so I turned to Elizabeth, who I thought must be the girl baptised in 1803. The Will shows that she was still unmarried in Sep 1841. There are no marriages after that date in the Chipping Sodbury area, but there are no less than 5 deaths up to 1861. The GRO Online Index provides: Died 1844, age 44 Died 1847, age 72 Died 1849, age 85 Died 1851, age 78 Died 1861, age 68 Drat! But, nil desperandum, as we are often wont to say. In Oct-Dec 1882 there was the death of a 79 year-old in the Gloucester RD. No proof, of course, but at least it's a fit. Alas this Elizabeth left no Will, but she is easy enough to find in the 1881 Census, in Longford St Mary, which is a part of the Gloucester RD. She was living, apparently as an aunt, with a Charles Washbourne (spelt Washborn by the Enumerator) and his wife Jemima (nee Ashbee). Haven't pursued that pairing, but the important part of the entry is that Elizabeth was 78 years old and born in Sodbury, which I think clinches it. Infuriatingly I have not been able to find her in 1841, 1851 or 1861, and the 1871 entry adds nothing of substance, except that, probably not surprisingly, Mary was not with her. Trying to think of other avenues of enquiry ..... Graham ________________________________ From: vicki.houlbrooke@gmail.com <vicki.houlbrooke@gmail.com> on behalf of Vicki Houlbrooke <vicki@houlbrooke.co.nz> Sent: 08 April 2018 05:57 To: Lovelock family history Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: Luckington Tree Hi Graham I have checked findmypast and can only add:- In 1795 an Elias Isaac was a Cordwainer Master with an apprentice called Benjamin Rallings In 1841 in the Consistory Court of Gloucestershire, the will of Elias Isaac, Cordwainer, Old Sodbury, was proved In 1841 Index to Death Duty Registers, Elias Isaac, Old Sodbury, Elizth Isaac, Gloster. Also there is another marriage of an Elias Isaac to Sarah Long 1822, Tetbury (15 miles away) and a child called John born 1825 ??? Couldn't find an appropriate death / burial for Mary Isaac, unless... .... one in Marshfield (6.4 miles away) in 1823 aged 57Y, which could link with Mary Lovelock baptised 1765. Would the will be worth pursuing? Sorry, I couldn't find it at National Archives. Regards Vicki Houlbrooke On 8 April 2018 at 03:53, Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hello all, > > I have been indulging in some musing regarding the Luckington Tree. > Although we have identified every other Tormarton event as part of that > Tree, the marriage of Mary Lovelock and Elias Issac on 4 Jun 1797 is not > presently so attributed. > > The main reason for this seems to be that there is no record of Mary's > baptism in the Tormarton records. The imagery at Ancestry of the relevant > record slip in the Pallot Index shows that at the time of the marriage Mary > was 'of Tormarton' whilst Elias was 'of Old Sodbury'. > > An Elias 'of Old Sodbury' was buried in Old Sodbury on 22 Oct 1840 at the > age of 88, indicating a birth in about 1752. Is that too early for a man > married in 1797? It certainly would make him much older than the average > age at marriage for the times. There was a baptism in Old Sodbury of an > Elias on 20 Jan 1754, which could well be the man who died in 1840, and he > also looks likely to be the one who married Betty Margrove in Old Sodbury > on 23 May 1774. > > An Elizabeth Isaac was buried in Old Sodbury on 27 Feb 1793, which would > conveniently free up Elias to marry Mary Lovelock. (Incidentally, I am > relying on the imagery at Ancestry.co.uk for most of this information.) > Elias and Betty baptised Ann (1774), Samuel (1776), Hannah (1778), Jane > (1780), Sarah (1782), Edward (1785), Harriet (1788) and Elias (1790) at Old > Sodbury, so with such a comparatively young family after Betty died he > might well have decided to take another wife. > > If this is the same man, Elias and Mary baptised Jemima (1799), Elias > (1800) and Elizabeth (1803) in Old Sodbury. What indirectly supports the > idea that it's the same Elias fathering both families is the burial in Old > Sodbury on 13 Sep 1791 of an Elias, possibly he that had been baptised the > year before. > > This is all very well, but the big question is who was Mary Lovelock? > Although said at her marriage to be 'of Tormarton' there is no record of > her birth in the Tormarton Register. There are currently 3 Marys in the > Luckington file of whom all we know is their baptism dates: 26 Jun 1763 in > Doynton, 13 Jan 1765 in Poole Keynes, and 18 Nov 1775 in Bitton. I have not > been able to find any link between any of them and Tormarton or Elias > Isaac, so my musing must needs remain just that ..... > > ..... unless, of course, you know different! > > Regards, > > Graham >

Hi Graham I have checked findmypast and can only add:- In 1795 an Elias Isaac was a Cordwainer Master with an apprentice called Benjamin Rallings In 1841 in the Consistory Court of Gloucestershire, the will of Elias Isaac, Cordwainer, Old Sodbury, was proved In 1841 Index to Death Duty Registers, Elias Isaac, Old Sodbury, Elizth Isaac, Gloster. Also there is another marriage of an Elias Isaac to Sarah Long 1822, Tetbury (15 miles away) and a child called John born 1825 ??? Couldn't find an appropriate death / burial for Mary Isaac, unless... .... one in Marshfield (6.4 miles away) in 1823 aged 57Y, which could link with Mary Lovelock baptised 1765. Would the will be worth pursuing? Sorry, I couldn't find it at National Archives. Regards Vicki Houlbrooke On 8 April 2018 at 03:53, Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hello all, > > > I have been indulging in some musing regarding the Luckington Tree. > Although we have identified every other Tormarton event as part of that > Tree, the marriage of Mary Lovelock and Elias Issac on 4 Jun 1797 is not > presently so attributed. > > > The main reason for this seems to be that there is no record of Mary's > baptism in the Tormarton records. The imagery at Ancestry of the relevant > record slip in the Pallot Index shows that at the time of the marriage Mary > was 'of Tormarton' whilst Elias was 'of Old Sodbury'. > > > An Elias 'of Old Sodbury' was buried in Old Sodbury on 22 Oct 1840 at the > age of 88, indicating a birth in about 1752. Is that too early for a man > married in 1797? It certainly would make him much older than the average > age at marriage for the times. There was a baptism in Old Sodbury of an > Elias on 20 Jan 1754, which could well be the man who died in 1840, and he > also looks likely to be the one who married Betty Margrove in Old Sodbury > on 23 May 1774. > > > An Elizabeth Isaac was buried in Old Sodbury on 27 Feb 1793, which would > conveniently free up Elias to marry Mary Lovelock. (Incidentally, I am > relying on the imagery at Ancestry.co.uk for most of this information.) > Elias and Betty baptised Ann (1774), Samuel (1776), Hannah (1778), Jane > (1780), Sarah (1782), Edward (1785), Harriet (1788) and Elias (1790) at Old > Sodbury, so with such a comparatively young family after Betty died he > might well have decided to take another wife. > > > If this is the same man, Elias and Mary baptised Jemima (1799), Elias > (1800) and Elizabeth (1803) in Old Sodbury. What indirectly supports the > idea that it's the same Elias fathering both families is the burial in Old > Sodbury on 13 Sep 1791 of an Elias, possibly he that had been baptised the > year before. > > > This is all very well, but the big question is who was Mary Lovelock? > Although said at her marriage to be 'of Tormarton' there is no record of > her birth in the Tormarton Register. There are currently 3 Marys in the > Luckington file of whom all we know is their baptism dates: 26 Jun 1763 in > Doynton, 13 Jan 1765 in Poole Keynes, and 18 Nov 1775 in Bitton. I have not > been able to find any link between any of them and Tormarton or Elias > Isaac, so my musing must needs remain just that ..... > > > ..... unless, of course, you know different! > > > Regards, > > > Graham > > > PS: You will find that the Rootsweb Mailing List archive back to 2013 has > now been restored. > > _______________________________________________ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://lovelock.free.fr/ > Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: > http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:lovelock-leave@rootsweb.com > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lovelock@rootsweb.com/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hello all, I have been indulging in some musing regarding the Luckington Tree. Although we have identified every other Tormarton event as part of that Tree, the marriage of Mary Lovelock and Elias Issac on 4 Jun 1797 is not presently so attributed. The main reason for this seems to be that there is no record of Mary's baptism in the Tormarton records. The imagery at Ancestry of the relevant record slip in the Pallot Index shows that at the time of the marriage Mary was 'of Tormarton' whilst Elias was 'of Old Sodbury'. An Elias 'of Old Sodbury' was buried in Old Sodbury on 22 Oct 1840 at the age of 88, indicating a birth in about 1752. Is that too early for a man married in 1797? It certainly would make him much older than the average age at marriage for the times. There was a baptism in Old Sodbury of an Elias on 20 Jan 1754, which could well be the man who died in 1840, and he also looks likely to be the one who married Betty Margrove in Old Sodbury on 23 May 1774. An Elizabeth Isaac was buried in Old Sodbury on 27 Feb 1793, which would conveniently free up Elias to marry Mary Lovelock. (Incidentally, I am relying on the imagery at Ancestry.co.uk for most of this information.) Elias and Betty baptised Ann (1774), Samuel (1776), Hannah (1778), Jane (1780), Sarah (1782), Edward (1785), Harriet (1788) and Elias (1790) at Old Sodbury, so with such a comparatively young family after Betty died he might well have decided to take another wife. If this is the same man, Elias and Mary baptised Jemima (1799), Elias (1800) and Elizabeth (1803) in Old Sodbury. What indirectly supports the idea that it's the same Elias fathering both families is the burial in Old Sodbury on 13 Sep 1791 of an Elias, possibly he that had been baptised the year before. This is all very well, but the big question is who was Mary Lovelock? Although said at her marriage to be 'of Tormarton' there is no record of her birth in the Tormarton Register. There are currently 3 Marys in the Luckington file of whom all we know is their baptism dates: 26 Jun 1763 in Doynton, 13 Jan 1765 in Poole Keynes, and 18 Nov 1775 in Bitton. I have not been able to find any link between any of them and Tormarton or Elias Isaac, so my musing must needs remain just that ..... ..... unless, of course, you know different! Regards, Graham PS: You will find that the Rootsweb Mailing List archive back to 2013 has now been restored.

Hello all, Here's a situation that I don't think we have come across before. Gladys Mary Lovelock from the Tangley Tree married James Willoughby in Jul-Sep 1941. Her death was registered in Oct-Dec 1964 in the Wood Green Registration District (RD) - reference 5f 483. Curiously the death of Gladys Mary Rowley was registered at the same time, same RD, same reference. Her entry in the 1939 Register indeed shows that as far as the compilers of the Register were concerned she married first a Mr Willoughby and secondly a Mr Rowley. Free BMD has only one record of a Rowley/Willoughby marriage, and that does not involve Gladys Mary, and no record at all of a Rowley/Lovelock marriage. Can anyone add to this short tale, and in particular explain how a birth can be registered in two different names? Regards, Graham

Oh - well worked out, Steve. I had focused a bit too closely on Anthonys. Anton was a member of the New Brentford Tree: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/individual.php?pid=I106&ged=NewBrentford so I have added a few details to his entry, and to his mother's. I think it's fairly certain that he is the man who married Angela Masters, but I am still puzzling over the marriage to Doreen M Byner. IF she was the lady who died in the Cheltenham RD in 2004 there is no birth entry to match the date of 7 Sep 1918 that is included in the death entry. Also, of course, if she was born in 1918 it seems very unlikely that she would have married Anton who was born in 1950. She may have been previously married to a Byner, but the only marriage fitting that bill would make her a Doreen M Roper and there's no 1918 birth to match that name either. There was another Doreen Mary Lovelock who died on 9 Apr 2007. Curiously Ancestry do not include this in their 1916-2007 collection but it is in their 2007-2015 set of data. The entry refers to her as MS Doreen Mary Lovelock rather than Mrs, but there is no entry to match her supposed birth in 1925. Free BMD has only one Doreen M Lovelock, born in 1927, but the 1939 Register tells us that she married Jack Kirton in 1945. The 1939 Register comes partly to the rescue here, though, I now find, because it includes a Doreen M Greaves who later married a Lovelock. Her date of birth is given as 7 Sep 1918, so she is the lady who died in 2004. BUT - she married John David Lovelock (from the Kingsclere Line) in 1946 (the Free BMD entry spells her surname as Greeves), so can not be Doreen M Byner. It began to look as though the 1977 wife might be the lady who died in 2007, despite the 'MS' appellation, but if she was born in 1925 she also looks an unlikely match for Anton born 1950. However, this last lady would be a good match for my cousin born in 1927, except that he didn't marry. Or did he? I think I shall have to get the 1977 marriage certificate if I'm ever to get to the bottom of this one. Many thanks, Steve, for moving this one along. Regards, Graham ________________________________ From: tns750--- via LOVELOCK <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: 22 March 2018 16:46 To: lovelock@rootsweb.com Cc: tns750@aol.com Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: Can anyone help? Anton (sic) L Lovelock birth reg. 2nd qu 1950 EALING Mother's maiden name Ebel. Could the mother have married under a previous maiden name, possibly Ebel, to someone called Masters? Steve Tanner -----Original Message----- From: Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> To: lovelock <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 12:31 Subject: [LOVELOCK] Can anyone help? Hello all, Anthony Lionel Lovelock (1927-1986) was a cousin of mine. Having never met or communicated with him, I was told by another family member, also no longer living, that he never married. However, Free BMD has two marriages of an Anthony L Lovelock: to Angela Masters (1946-2005) in 1970 and to Doreen Mary Byner (1918-2004) in 1977. There appears to be no issue from either marriage. Ancestry lists the death in 1994 of an Anthony Louis Lovelock, apparently born on 1 Jun 1950, although I can find no record of the registration. Does anyone know anything of these 4 people that will explain the full situation? Regards, Graham

Anton (sic) L Lovelock birth reg. 2nd qu 1950 EALING Mother's maiden name Ebel. Could the mother have married under a previous maiden name, possibly Ebel, to someone called Masters? Steve Tanner -----Original Message----- From: Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> To: lovelock <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 12:31 Subject: [LOVELOCK] Can anyone help? Hello all, Anthony Lionel Lovelock (1927-1986) was a cousin of mine. Having never met or communicated with him, I was told by another family member, also no longer living, that he never married. However, Free BMD has two marriages of an Anthony L Lovelock: to Angela Masters (1946-2005) in 1970 and to Doreen Mary Byner (1918-2004) in 1977. There appears to be no issue from either marriage. Ancestry lists the death in 1994 of an Anthony Louis Lovelock, apparently born on 1 Jun 1950, although I can find no record of the registration. Does anyone know anything of these 4 people that will explain the full situation? Regards, Graham ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/

Hello all, Anthony Lionel Lovelock (1927-1986) was a cousin of mine. Having never met or communicated with him, I was told by another family member, also no longer living, that he never married. However, Free BMD has two marriages of an Anthony L Lovelock: to Angela Masters (1946-2005) in 1970 and to Doreen Mary Byner (1918-2004) in 1977. There appears to be no issue from either marriage. Ancestry lists the death in 1994 of an Anthony Louis Lovelock, apparently born on 1 Jun 1950, although I can find no record of the registration. Does anyone know anything of these 4 people that will explain the full situation? Regards, Graham

My mind that is. Try this one: Emma Jane Lovelock was baptised at Sheerness, Kent on 13 Oct 1833, the daughter of John Lovelock and Maria Case. Lydston Maynard Lovelock was baptised at Greenwich, Kent on 1 Jan 1858, the son of Lydston and Emma Jane Lovelock. The GRO Online Index reveals that Lydston Maynard's mother's maiden name was Bancroft. Our data states that his father was a Commercial Traveller. Minnie Emma Lovelock was baptised at Yarmouth, Norfolk on 25 Sep 1865, the daughter of Lydstone and Emma Jane Lovelock. The GRO Online Index reveals in this case that Minnie Emma's mother's maiden name was Lovelock. On 31 Jan 1848 Emma Jane Lovelock's sister Mary Anne married John Bancroft. Free BMD has no other Lovelock/Bancroft marriage. Free BMD has no Lydston Lovelock marriage. Free BMD has no death of a Lydston or an Emma Jane Lovelock. Turning to the census data: in 1861 Lydston and Emma were in Greenwich with a daughter recorded as 'L L Lovelock' with an addition which reveals she was a Louisa L. The GRO Online Index records her as Louisa Lusia Newman, mother's maiden name Lovelock, born Jul-Sep 1854 in Sheppey RD which includes Sheerness where Louisa was born. Lydston was recorded as a Bricklayer's Labourer, somewhat at odds with being a Commercial Traveller 3 years earlier, and he was apparently born in Defford, Worcestershire in 1824 or 1825. Fortunately Ancestry has a transcript of the relevant baptism - 9 Aug 1854 at Holy Trinity, Sheerness, Louisa Lucy the daughter of Lydston and Emma Jane Newman. So the situation so far is that Lydston Lovelock and Emma Jane Lovelock had 3 Children: Louisa Lusia/Lucy Newman, mother's maiden name Lovelock Lydston Maynard Lovelock, mother's maiden name Bancroft Minnie Emma Lovelock, mother's maiden name Lovelock Odd, but let's go on to the 1871 Census. We there find Emma Jane with a new husband, John Berry, a Professor of Music, in Greenwich. The household includes step-daughter Louisa L Lovelock and step-son Lydston M Lovelock. However, Minnie is recorded as Minnie Berry, daughter, not step-daughter. Odder still. Especially as Emma Jane and John Berry did not marry until Jul-Sep 1866. Free BMD has no trace of a Newman/Lovelock marriage nor of the death of a Lydston Newman in the right timeframe. There was a Lydston Newman in 1871, but he was a Baronet and High Sheriff of Devon, so definitely not Emma Jane's husband! By 1881 Lydston Maynard seems to have followed his father's example and disappeared. Louisa Lucy died in Oct-Dec 1878 in the Greenwich RD, aged 24. Lots of questions - but does anyone have any answers? Regards, Graham

Thanks for this, Sue, although it doesn't get us much further, alas. Not a peep from across the water - I' m often left wondering whether in fact a lot of those who are notionally on the Mailing List are really connected at all. You'll not be surprised to hear that, yet again, one mystery leads to another, or rather in this case two or three. Having checked the Canadian Census data that we have and, of course, finding no William born in 1881 I was about to turn for no particular reason to Free BMD to see whether there was an unaccounted-for William born here in 1881, who had later emigrated, when my eye was caught by the William Lovelock born in England on 16 Feb 1875 in the last entry of our 1901 Canada Census collection. He is presently marked as a member of the Collingbourne Kingston tree, but for some reason I found myself looking in Free BMD for William Lovelocks born in 1875. There are only the two - both in the Apr-Jun quarter, one in Poplar RD the other in Pewsey RD. So the man in Canada seems to be yet another fibber, unless there's another explanation. So I next turned to the Collingbourne Kingston tree on Webtrees, and blow me, there's no William in it born in the 19th century. So why I have marked up that Canadian Census entry so I can't imagine. Going back to the 1875 Free BMD entries, the Pewsey man was in fact William Oliver Lovelock who is a member of the Lieflock Line and fully accounted for. I then checked the GRO Online Index to discover that the Poplar man's mother's maiden name was Rodwinch. A very unusual name, and there's only one Lovelock/Rodwinch marriage on record - in the Stepney Tree. However, not only did we not have this William in the file, but we didn't have his brothers John Thomas (1872) and George (1878) either. And then comes the second mystery. Sarah Rodwinch's husband John Lovelock died in 1879, being buried on 16 June, and on 26 December Sarah married Thomas Crook. But none of the boys are with Mr and Mrs Crook in 1881, and I haven't yet found any of them in 1881 or 1891. Sarah's daughter Alice Lovelock is there in 1881, but recorded as Alice Crook. There were 3 sisters older than Alice, but we do not have an 1881 entry for any of them. The eldest daughter of John L and Sarah Rodwinch was recorded as Sarah M Lovelock aged 8 in 1871. John and Sarah did not marry until 1864 so naturally enough one assumes Sarah M to be an illegitimate child. There is no record of the birth of a Sarah Rodwinch. She was baptised in 1867 as Sarah Matilda, but we have no idea what name her birth might have been registered under. Rather worryingly there isn't a single female Rodwinch birth entry between 1858 and 1871. Goodness! How do I get into these messes so easily? Regards, Graham ________________________________ From: SUE LOVELOCK via LOVELOCK <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: 14 March 2018 13:14 To: lovelock@rootsweb.com Cc: SUE LOVELOCK Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: One for our Canadian cousins Hello Graham, There is a record on Find My Past for the birth of Anne Spicker on 22 Nov 1875 in Sunnidale, Simcoe, Ontario. Her parents were Sylvester and Elizabeth Spicker (nee Rayner). But unfortunately I can find no marriage record to link her conclusively to William Lovelock. Regards Sue Lovelock ----Original message---- From : lovelockgraham@hotmail.com Date : 13/03/2018 - 20:04 (GMTST) To : lovelock@rootsweb.com Subject : [LOVELOCK] One for our Canadian cousins Greetings, The 'findagrave' website has a photograph of the memorial to William Lovelock (1881 - 1930) and his wife Annie Spicker Lovelock (1875 - 1957) in the Stayner Union Cemetery, in Simcoe County, Ontario. The couple do not appear in any of the Canadian Census information we have on the website, nor in any of the Ontario BMD entries we have collected. Does anyone know anything of the couple? Guess you will be looking forward to the last of the snow ..... but not just yet? Regards, Graham ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Lovelock Family History<http://lovelock.free.fr/> lovelock.free.fr Purpose The purpose of this Web Site is to collect together family history information concerning families with the Lovelock ... Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/

Hello Graham, There is a record on Find My Past for the birth of Anne Spicker on 22 Nov 1875 in Sunnidale, Simcoe, Ontario. Her parents were Sylvester and Elizabeth Spicker (nee Rayner). But unfortunately I can find no marriage record to link her conclusively to William Lovelock. Regards Sue Lovelock ----Original message---- From : lovelockgraham@hotmail.com Date : 13/03/2018 - 20:04 (GMTST) To : lovelock@rootsweb.com Subject : [LOVELOCK] One for our Canadian cousins Greetings, The 'findagrave' website has a photograph of the memorial to William Lovelock (1881 - 1930) and his wife Annie Spicker Lovelock (1875 - 1957) in the Stayner Union Cemetery, in Simcoe County, Ontario. The couple do not appear in any of the Canadian Census information we have on the website, nor in any of the Ontario BMD entries we have collected. Does anyone know anything of the couple? Guess you will be looking forward to the last of the snow ..... but not just yet? Regards, Graham ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/

Greetings, The 'findagrave' website has a photograph of the memorial to William Lovelock (1881 - 1930) and his wife Annie Spicker Lovelock (1875 - 1957) in the Stayner Union Cemetery, in Simcoe County, Ontario. The couple do not appear in any of the Canadian Census information we have on the website, nor in any of the Ontario BMD entries we have collected. Does anyone know anything of the couple? Guess you will be looking forward to the last of the snow ..... but not just yet? Regards, Graham

Hello all, If the answer to the question is yes then you may be pleased to find that a separate page has been created to list our Yorkshire records. The page can be reached as per all the other County pages by selecting 'England and Wales' from the 'Sources' drop-down menu and then following the appropriate link in the table: http://lovelock.free.fr/uk-county-records.html If you find any problems, or know of any other information that should be linked from the new page please let us know. Regards, Graham

Hello all, The GRO Death Index includes an entry for John Wesley Lovelock in the Apr-Jun quarter of 1861 in the West London Registration District. The Online Index reveals that he was 22 years of age when he died, pointing to a birth in 1838 or 1839. The 'deceasedonline' website records that he was buried somewhere in Lewisham on 14 April 1861. That seems to be all the information available on him - certainly Google doesn't help. Has anyone come across any other indisputable references to him? Regards, Graham

Hello all, In January the Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office negotiated a contract with Ancestry for the latter to present on their website the very extensive collection of Wills, Administration Bonds, and Inventories from the Salisbury Diocesan Probate collection, including the appropriate imagery. You will of course need an Ancestry subscription to access this resource unless you can find a library that provides free access. Meanwhile, appropriate amendments have been made to our website page, and the transcripts of three more Lovelocks have been added to our collection: John Lovelock of Aldbourne - 1701 John Lovelock of Warminster - 1703 John Lovelock of Moordown - 1731 Each can be accessed from the links in the table: http://lovelock.free.fr/documents/wilts-wills.html The last is of particular interest to me as my father was born in Moordown (it is a single farmhouse rather than a hamlet) in 1902. Regards, Graham

If you are you will probably already be familiar with a certain publication, details of which have now been added to the 'Other Matters of Lovelock Interest' page: The item in question appears at the third bullet: http://lovelock.free.fr/Other-Matters.html Regards, Graham

Hello all, Further to my previous message, here's one that didn't quite make it when Rootsweb pulled up the drawbridge: ________________________________ From: Graham Lovelock <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> Sent: 25 January 2018 11:52 To: lovelock@rootsweb.com Subject: US Lovelocks in 1890 Hello all, As you are probably aware the 1890 US Census and the 1931 UK Census have something in common - essentially they were both destroyed by fire. The UK loss is perhaps partially offset by the release of the 1939 Register, which we have drawn significantly on in recent months. Alas there is no equivalent 'gap-filler' with respect to US data. However, the New York City Police did carry out a Census of sorts for their own purposes, and this very sparse and limited dataset is available at FamilySearch. The Lovelock entries have been extracted and added to our USA and Canada records page: http://lovelock.free.fr/n-america-records.html Also now included on the page is a link to a website that tells the story of what actually happened to the 1890 US Census, and from an archivist's or genealogist's point of view it's a particularly horrifying tale. Do check it out. Regards, Graham

Well done to Graham and James. Keep up the fantastic work you do. Regards Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: "Graham Lovelock" <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> Sent: ‎07/‎03/‎2018 09:42 To: "lovelock@rootsweb.com" <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LOVELOCK] Some good news ..... some not so good news Hello all, Yes - the Mailing List has been restored. That's the good news. The not so good news is that the Mailing List Archive has not yet been restored, but Rootsweb are on the case. There is an enormous amount of material in the Archives, of course, and it is not clear what security measures need to be applied to that before it becomes available once more. In the meantime .... for those who have not been keeping an eye on the 'What's New' page the following have occurred since the Mailing List went offline on 25 January: 1. Data from the 1890 Police Census of New York City was added on 25 Jan 2. Updates to the Lieflock Line, Wootton Rivers and Tangley Trees gedcom were added on 30 Jan, 1 Feb and 13 Feb 3. A large update to the St Pancras (Main) Tree gedcom was added on 19 Feb 4. A large update to the Kingsclere Tree gedcom was added on 24 Feb 5. Amendments to the Brimpton Branch file were made on 8 Feb (there is no gedcom on Webtrees for this branch) 6. Various other gedcoms were updated on 1 Feb, 2 Feb, 7 Feb, 28 Feb, 1 Mar, 2 Mar, 3 Mar, 4 Mar and 6 Mar 7. Birth and Baptism data for military establishments or for locations outside the UK was added on 2 Feb and last, but by no means least, thanks to one of Malcolm Lovelock's sons we have been able to add an item about a certain coffee shop to the 'Other Matters of Lovelock Interest' page: http://lovelock.free.fr/Other-Matters.html I should add that the majority of amendments to the various gedcoms have been concerned with tying off the loose ends of Lovelock spouses or of the children of Lovelock ladies who married, but scattered around there are some additional Lovelocks and data on some additional Lovelock events. All is accessible of course through the 'What's New' page: http://lovelock.free.fr/new.html Regards, Graham ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/

Hello all, Yes - the Mailing List has been restored. That's the good news. The not so good news is that the Mailing List Archive has not yet been restored, but Rootsweb are on the case. There is an enormous amount of material in the Archives, of course, and it is not clear what security measures need to be applied to that before it becomes available once more. In the meantime .... for those who have not been keeping an eye on the 'What's New' page the following have occurred since the Mailing List went offline on 25 January: 1. Data from the 1890 Police Census of New York City was added on 25 Jan 2. Updates to the Lieflock Line, Wootton Rivers and Tangley Trees gedcom were added on 30 Jan, 1 Feb and 13 Feb 3. A large update to the St Pancras (Main) Tree gedcom was added on 19 Feb 4. A large update to the Kingsclere Tree gedcom was added on 24 Feb 5. Amendments to the Brimpton Branch file were made on 8 Feb (there is no gedcom on Webtrees for this branch) 6. Various other gedcoms were updated on 1 Feb, 2 Feb, 7 Feb, 28 Feb, 1 Mar, 2 Mar, 3 Mar, 4 Mar and 6 Mar 7. Birth and Baptism data for military establishments or for locations outside the UK was added on 2 Feb and last, but by no means least, thanks to one of Malcolm Lovelock's sons we have been able to add an item about a certain coffee shop to the 'Other Matters of Lovelock Interest' page: http://lovelock.free.fr/Other-Matters.html I should add that the majority of amendments to the various gedcoms have been concerned with tying off the loose ends of Lovelock spouses or of the children of Lovelock ladies who married, but scattered around there are some additional Lovelocks and data on some additional Lovelock events. All is accessible of course through the 'What's New' page: http://lovelock.free.fr/new.html Regards, Graham