Hello all, The details of all the LovelOck wills that are referenced on the 'Find A Will' website have been updated so that where we have been able to identify the testator their name is now linked to the appropriate entry in the gedcoms at Webtrees: http://lovelock.free.fr/documents/Wills%20from%201996%20onwards.html There are still 69 entries unattributed, which seems a little surprising considering how recent they all are. If you can identify any of the 69 please let me know and I will make the necessary amendments. Regards, Graham

As it happens we know of a James Lovelock who was recorded as a Wheelwright in 1871. Alas, he does not appear to have had a son named Henry, and in any case his wife was Elizabeth Maslen (Lieflock Line), which is nothing like Rosy Bell. Graham ________________________________ From: colinbm1 colinbm1 <colinbm1@bigpond.com> Sent: 01 November 2018 02:48 To: Lovelock family history Looks like, James Lovelock, a wheelwright, and Rosy Bell, are another elusive pair....? Col ------ Original Message ------ From: "Dianne Snowden" <dsnowden@tassie.net.au> To: "'Lovelock family history'" <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Cc: "'Graham Lovelock'" <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, 31 Oct, 2018 At 5:39 PM Dear Lovelock researchers, William Henry Lovelock appears to have married as 'Henry Lovelock': Marriage 3472/1881 LOVELOCK HENRY and MCVICKER LUCY EMMA DISTRICT OF CARCOAR I received his marriage certificate today: Henry Lovelock, a bachelor and fencer aged 21, married Lucy Emma McVicker, aged 17, 'of private life', on 4 July 1881 in Blayney Wesleyan Parsonage. Henry was the son of James Lovelock, a wheelwright, and Rosy (Bell). He was born in Windsor NSW. Lucy, born in Bathurst NSW, was the daughter of Donald McVicker, labourer, and Emma (Rodwell). Henry and Lucy were both living in Blayney at the time of the marriage. With best wishes Dianne -----Original Message----- From: Graham Lovelock [mailto:lovelockgraham@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 21 October 2018 3:07 AM To: Lovelock mailing list <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Hello all, Looking through some of our Australian data, prompted by one of the recent additions, and with a bit of help from 'Find a Grave' I have managed to put the following fragment together. Can anyone shed any light on the origins of William Henry Lovelock? William Henry Lovelock + Lucy Emma McVicker b ?, d 1916, m 1881 Herbert Ernest Charles Lovelock b 1884, d 19 Jan 1957 + Esther Ann Sadler b 1886, d 11 Mar 1952, m 1908 Dorothy E Lovelock b 1908, d 1908 Wilga E Lovelock b 1910 + Henry J McCarroll m 1928 Alice G Lovelock b 1912 + Arthur J Moon m 1935 Leila F Lovelock b 1914 + William Burrell m 1935 Mona Eileen Emily Lovelock b 1916 + Bruce Shea m 1951 Aubrey Richard Charles Lovelock b 1919, d 15 Feb 1988 + Irene Emily Minnie Grimshaw b 22 Apr 1918, d 21 Dec 1997, m 1938 + Sarah May Fitzpatrick m 1953 Florence R E R Lovelock b 1886 Albert G C Lovelock b 1888 Gertrude F Lovelock b 1891 William H Lovelock b ?, d 1937 Regards, Graham [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail>

Looks like, James Lovelock, a wheelwright, and Rosy Bell, are another elusive pair....? Col ------ Original Message ------ From: "Dianne Snowden" <dsnowden@tassie.net.au> To: "'Lovelock family history'" <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Cc: "'Graham Lovelock'" <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, 31 Oct, 2018 At 5:39 PM Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: An Australian Fragment - William Henry Lovelock Dear Lovelock researchers, William Henry Lovelock appears to have married as 'Henry Lovelock': Marriage 3472/1881 LOVELOCK HENRY and MCVICKER LUCY EMMA DISTRICT OF CARCOAR I received his marriage certificate today: Henry Lovelock, a bachelor and fencer aged 21, married Lucy Emma McVicker, aged 17, 'of private life', on 4 July 1881 in Blayney Wesleyan Parsonage. Henry was the son of James Lovelock, a wheelwright, and Rosy (Bell). He was born in Windsor NSW. Lucy, born in Bathurst NSW, was the daughter of Donald McVicker, labourer, and Emma (Rodwell). Henry and Lucy were both living in Blayney at the time of the marriage. With best wishes Dianne -----Original Message----- From: Graham Lovelock [mailto:lovelockgraham@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 21 October 2018 3:07 AM To: Lovelock mailing list <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LOVELOCK] An Australian Fragment Hello all, Looking through some of our Australian data, prompted by one of the recent additions, and with a bit of help from 'Find a Grave' I have managed to put the following fragment together. Can anyone shed any light on the origins of William Henry Lovelock? William Henry Lovelock + Lucy Emma McVicker b ?, d 1916, m 1881 Herbert Ernest Charles Lovelock b 1884, d 19 Jan 1957 + Esther Ann Sadler b 1886, d 11 Mar 1952, m 1908 Dorothy E Lovelock b 1908, d 1908 Wilga E Lovelock b 1910 + Henry J McCarroll m 1928 Alice G Lovelock b 1912 + Arthur J Moon m 1935 Leila F Lovelock b 1914 + William Burrell m 1935 Mona Eileen Emily Lovelock b 1916 + Bruce Shea m 1951 Aubrey Richard Charles Lovelock b 1919, d 15 Feb 1988 + Irene Emily Minnie Grimshaw b 22 Apr 1918, d 21 Dec 1997, m 1938 + Sarah May Fitzpatrick m 1953 Florence R E R Lovelock b 1886 Albert G C Lovelock b 1888 Gertrude F Lovelock b 1891 William H Lovelock b ?, d 1937 Regards, Graham _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hello all, With tongue firmly in cheek I have added something new on the Work in Progress page. Scroll down to the pale green box and follow the link: http://lovelock.free.fr/wip/wip.html If you know of other candidates for this section please let me know, although I think that we should probably restrict ourselves, at least initially, to Lovelocks who should appear in the records from 1837 onwards, whether in the UK or elsewhere. Regards, Graham PS Yes - I know what day it is (in the UK anyway) !!! [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail>

One step forward - two steps back ! Until now we had assumed that William Henry was William the son of John L and Janet Wilson, born in 1850, but clearly that is not so. Our NSW data does not include the marriage of a James L and Rosy Bell, nor the birth of a Henry in 1859 or 1860. There is no record in the UK data of James and Rosy's marriage so I presume that took place somewhere in Australia too. Where to now? And by the way ..... we no longer know what became of the 1850 William, do we? Regards, Graham ________________________________ From: Dianne Snowden <dsnowden@tassie.net.au> Sent: 31 October 2018 06:39 To: 'Lovelock family history' Dear Lovelock researchers, William Henry Lovelock appears to have married as 'Henry Lovelock': Marriage 3472/1881 LOVELOCK HENRY and MCVICKER LUCY EMMA DISTRICT OF CARCOAR I received his marriage certificate today: Henry Lovelock, a bachelor and fencer aged 21, married Lucy Emma McVicker, aged 17, 'of private life', on 4 July 1881 in Blayney Wesleyan Parsonage. Henry was the son of James Lovelock, a wheelwright, and Rosy (Bell). He was born in Windsor NSW. Lucy, born in Bathurst NSW, was the daughter of Donald McVicker, labourer, and Emma (Rodwell). Henry and Lucy were both living in Blayney at the time of the marriage. With best wishes Dianne -----Original Message----- From: Graham Lovelock [mailto:lovelockgraham@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 21 October 2018 3:07 AM To: Lovelock mailing list <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LOVELOCK] An Australian Fragment Hello all, Looking through some of our Australian data, prompted by one of the recent additions, and with a bit of help from 'Find a Grave' I have managed to put the following fragment together. Can anyone shed any light on the origins of William Henry Lovelock? William Henry Lovelock + Lucy Emma McVicker b ?, d 1916, m 1881 Herbert Ernest Charles Lovelock b 1884, d 19 Jan 1957 + Esther Ann Sadler b 1886, d 11 Mar 1952, m 1908 Dorothy E Lovelock b 1908, d 1908 Wilga E Lovelock b 1910 + Henry J McCarroll m 1928 Alice G Lovelock b 1912 + Arthur J Moon m 1935 Leila F Lovelock b 1914 + William Burrell m 1935 Mona Eileen Emily Lovelock b 1916 + Bruce Shea m 1951 Aubrey Richard Charles Lovelock b 1919, d 15 Feb 1988 + Irene Emily Minnie Grimshaw b 22 Apr 1918, d 21 Dec 1997, m 1938 + Sarah May Fitzpatrick m 1953 Florence R E R Lovelock b 1886 Albert G C Lovelock b 1888 Gertrude F Lovelock b 1891 William H Lovelock b ?, d 1937 Regards, Graham _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Wow, you bought it....Thanks Dianne Cheers Col ------ Original Message ------ From: "Dianne Snowden" <dsnowden@tassie.net.au> To: "'Lovelock family history'" <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Cc: "'Graham Lovelock'" <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, 31 Oct, 2018 At 5:39 PM Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: An Australian Fragment - William Henry Lovelock Dear Lovelock researchers, William Henry Lovelock appears to have married as 'Henry Lovelock': Marriage 3472/1881 LOVELOCK HENRY and MCVICKER LUCY EMMA DISTRICT OF CARCOAR I received his marriage certificate today: Henry Lovelock, a bachelor and fencer aged 21, married Lucy Emma McVicker, aged 17, 'of private life', on 4 July 1881 in Blayney Wesleyan Parsonage. Henry was the son of James Lovelock, a wheelwright, and Rosy (Bell). He was born in Windsor NSW. Lucy, born in Bathurst NSW, was the daughter of Donald McVicker, labourer, and Emma (Rodwell). Henry and Lucy were both living in Blayney at the time of the marriage. With best wishes Dianne -----Original Message----- From: Graham Lovelock [mailto:lovelockgraham@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 21 October 2018 3:07 AM To: Lovelock mailing list <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LOVELOCK] An Australian Fragment Hello all, Looking through some of our Australian data, prompted by one of the recent additions, and with a bit of help from 'Find a Grave' I have managed to put the following fragment together. Can anyone shed any light on the origins of William Henry Lovelock? William Henry Lovelock + Lucy Emma McVicker b ?, d 1916, m 1881 Herbert Ernest Charles Lovelock b 1884, d 19 Jan 1957 + Esther Ann Sadler b 1886, d 11 Mar 1952, m 1908 Dorothy E Lovelock b 1908, d 1908 Wilga E Lovelock b 1910 + Henry J McCarroll m 1928 Alice G Lovelock b 1912 + Arthur J Moon m 1935 Leila F Lovelock b 1914 + William Burrell m 1935 Mona Eileen Emily Lovelock b 1916 + Bruce Shea m 1951 Aubrey Richard Charles Lovelock b 1919, d 15 Feb 1988 + Irene Emily Minnie Grimshaw b 22 Apr 1918, d 21 Dec 1997, m 1938 + Sarah May Fitzpatrick m 1953 Florence R E R Lovelock b 1886 Albert G C Lovelock b 1888 Gertrude F Lovelock b 1891 William H Lovelock b ?, d 1937 Regards, Graham _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Dear Lovelock researchers, William Henry Lovelock appears to have married as 'Henry Lovelock': Marriage 3472/1881 LOVELOCK HENRY and MCVICKER LUCY EMMA DISTRICT OF CARCOAR I received his marriage certificate today: Henry Lovelock, a bachelor and fencer aged 21, married Lucy Emma McVicker, aged 17, 'of private life', on 4 July 1881 in Blayney Wesleyan Parsonage. Henry was the son of James Lovelock, a wheelwright, and Rosy (Bell). He was born in Windsor NSW. Lucy, born in Bathurst NSW, was the daughter of Donald McVicker, labourer, and Emma (Rodwell). Henry and Lucy were both living in Blayney at the time of the marriage. With best wishes Dianne -----Original Message----- From: Graham Lovelock [mailto:lovelockgraham@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 21 October 2018 3:07 AM To: Lovelock mailing list <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LOVELOCK] An Australian Fragment Hello all, Looking through some of our Australian data, prompted by one of the recent additions, and with a bit of help from 'Find a Grave' I have managed to put the following fragment together. Can anyone shed any light on the origins of William Henry Lovelock? William Henry Lovelock + Lucy Emma McVicker b ?, d 1916, m 1881 Herbert Ernest Charles Lovelock b 1884, d 19 Jan 1957 + Esther Ann Sadler b 1886, d 11 Mar 1952, m 1908 Dorothy E Lovelock b 1908, d 1908 Wilga E Lovelock b 1910 + Henry J McCarroll m 1928 Alice G Lovelock b 1912 + Arthur J Moon m 1935 Leila F Lovelock b 1914 + William Burrell m 1935 Mona Eileen Emily Lovelock b 1916 + Bruce Shea m 1951 Aubrey Richard Charles Lovelock b 1919, d 15 Feb 1988 + Irene Emily Minnie Grimshaw b 22 Apr 1918, d 21 Dec 1997, m 1938 + Sarah May Fitzpatrick m 1953 Florence R E R Lovelock b 1886 Albert G C Lovelock b 1888 Gertrude F Lovelock b 1891 William H Lovelock b ?, d 1937 Regards, Graham _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hello all, I refer to George Lovelock in the Lyneham Line that Col referred to in his last message. In 1860 George and family were recorded thus in the US Census: Kimshew, Butte County, California, USA Lovelock, Geo;36;England;Lumberman Lovelock, Mary;36;England Lovelock, Thos;8;England Lovelock, Helen;5;England Lovelock, Geo;3;California Lovelock, M J (Female);9mos;California And in the 1870 US Census thus: Lake, Humboldt, Nevada, USA Geo Lovelock;46;England;Quartz Mines Mary Lovelock;46;England;Keeps house Thos Lovelock;18;California;Teamster Nellie Lovelock;14;California;At home George Lovelock;12;California;At home Jane Lovelock;10;California;At home Daniel Lovelock;9;California;At home Why I am confused is that we have the children of George and Mary recorded as: Frederick born 1848 died 1915 Mary born 1849 died 1850 Thomas Eugene Daniel born 1851 died 1911 George born 1853 died before 1907 Daniel born 1854 died before 1907 Stephen born 1855 died before 1907 Nellie born 1858 died 1929 Jennie C (Ellen) born 1859 died 1920 Mary Jane born 1859 The fact that Frederick is missing from both Census entries is not a problem - we know that he was in England with grandparents in 1861, presumably left behind by his parents who were in England in 1860 as Mary Jane was baptised in Brewood, Staffordshire on 12 February. And in 1870 Frederick was in Boise, Idaho where he possibly met his wife, Aurora Holden. Mary having died in 1850 obviously did not appear in the Census records. The entries for Thomas are consistent. But why was George 3 instead of 6 or 7 in 1860, and 12 instead of 16 or 17 in 1870? I note that we do not quote an 'official' source for a date of birth in 1853, and we have no record of his death so should we amend his date of birth to one consistent with the Census entries? Similarly Daniel should have been 15 or 16 in 1870 instead of 9, and he was recorded as being 19 in 1880. Again we have no 'official' source for a date of birth in 1854 and we have no record of his death. There is some material in the Notes for George senior which says that Daniel was murdered but with no date, and that George junior died in 1893, but sources for these snippets are not quoted. The author was Chris Knight, and he put the information in an e-Mail, presumably to James, in 2004. I do not know if he is on this Mailing List? Returning to George senior's children, presumably Helen in 1860 and Nellie in 1870 are one and the same, but we have a date of birth of 1858 based on data on the Find A Grave website, so she should have been 2 and 12 respectively at the most in the Census entries, not 5 and 14. Jennie appears in the 1880 Census return, and her date of birth is as depicted in a photograph of her tombstone, so where was she in 1860 and 1870? Can anyone help stop my head from spinning? Regards, Graham

Thanks very much, Col. I have made some additions to the notes in George's Webtrees entry. Regards, Graham ________________________________ From: colinbm1 colinbm1 <colinbm1@bigpond.com> Sent: 30 October 2018 11:20 To: Lovelock family history Subject: [LOVELOCK] George Lovelock, Nevada, USA Hi Graham Some more flesh to the bones of George Lovelock at Lovelock, Nevada, USA. George Lovelock & Mary Forrest. Their migration before arriving at San Francisco. Arrived in Adelaide from England per 'Success', February 1848. Mary Anne Lovelock born South Australia. YEAR SURNAME GIVEN NAME FATHER NAME MOTHER NAME DISTRICT REG 1849 LOVELOCK Mary George LOVELOCK Mary FORREST Adelaide 2/173 Arrived in Hobart from Adelaide per 'Timbo', 3 December 1849, with wife & two children. Colonial Times (Hobart, Tas. : 1828 - 1857), Tuesday 4 December 1849, page 2 Shipping Intelligence. PORT OF HOBART TOWN. ARRIVALS. December 3_'Timbo', schooner, 123 tons, Capt Hill, from Adelaide, in ballast. Passengers- Steerage- George, Frederick, Mary, and Mary Jane Lovelock. Left Hobart for San Francisco per 'Caroline' 5 December 1849, with family. Courier (Hobart, Tas. : 1840 - 1859), Wednesday 5 December 1849, page 2 Shipping News. Cleared Out.-The barque 'Caroline', 330 tons, Capt Perry, for San Francisco, with passengers and general cargo. At Honolulu, 25 March 1850, 'Caroline' wrecked, & George Lovelock's infant child Mary Anne died. Britannia and Trades' Advocate (Hobart Town, Tas. : 1846 - 1851), Thursday 15 August 1850, page 2 DEATHS. In Honolulu, in April, Catherine Clark, aged 7 years and 5 months, daughter of Mr. W Clark. The family, were passengers on board the 'Caroline', wrecked off Honolulu. In Honolulu, in April, Mary Lovelock, infant daughter of Mr. George Lovelock, who were also passengers on the 'Caroline'. Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954), Friday 10 May 1850, page 2 Shipwreck and Loss of Life.- The British bark 'Caroline', of London, Captain Perry, 110 days from Hobart Town, anchored off our harbour (Honolulu) on Monday morning last, intending to remain only long enough to procure water and other supplies, being on her passage to California. During the early part of the day, the wind, which was from the southward, freshened considerably, and it became evident to all acquainted with the nature of our harbour, &c., that the situation of the vessel was one of extreme peril. Captain Maughn, the pilot, went on board in the morning, and at 5 p.m. the cables were slipped, and an attempt made to wear and stand out to sea, but owing to the heavy swell, it was impossible to get weigh (way) on her, and she struck on the reef at the leeward side of the passage, where she now lies.-After the vessel struck, it being understood that a number of women were on board, several of our citizens procured boats, and with praiseworthy courage pulled through the surf and brought all of them that could be reached in safety to the beach. Shortly after grounding, the standing rigging was cut, and the masts went by the board, carrying with them a seaman, named John Wilson, a native of Sweden, aged about 27 years. A rope and a grating were thrown to him, but it is supposed that he was struck by some of the falling rigging, and thus response was incapable of exertion before reaching the water. His body was found upon the reef yesterday morning, and identified by several of the passengers and crew. Captain Maughn arrived from the wreck last evening, leaving the master and five others still on board. Their situation, although anything but pleasant, we do not apprehend to be dangerous.-Honolulu Times, March 27. Cheers Col

Hi Graham Some more flesh to the bones of George Lovelock at Lovelock, Nevada, USA. George Lovelock & Mary Forrest. Their migration before arriving at San Francisco. Arrived in Adelaide from England per 'Success', February 1848. Mary Anne Lovelock born South Australia. YEAR SURNAME GIVEN NAME FATHER NAME MOTHER NAME DISTRICT REG 1849 LOVELOCK Mary George LOVELOCK Mary FORREST Adelaide 2/173 Arrived in Hobart from Adelaide per 'Timbo', 3 December 1849, with wife & two children. Colonial Times (Hobart, Tas. : 1828 - 1857), Tuesday 4 December 1849, page 2 Shipping Intelligence. PORT OF HOBART TOWN. ARRIVALS. December 3_'Timbo', schooner, 123 tons, Capt Hill, from Adelaide, in ballast. Passengers- Steerage- George, Frederick, Mary, and Mary Jane Lovelock. Left Hobart for San Francisco per 'Caroline' 5 December 1849, with family. Courier (Hobart, Tas. : 1840 - 1859), Wednesday 5 December 1849, page 2 Shipping News. Cleared Out.-The barque 'Caroline', 330 tons, Capt Perry, for San Francisco, with passengers and general cargo. At Honolulu, 25 March 1850, 'Caroline' wrecked, & George Lovelock's infant child Mary Anne died. Britannia and Trades' Advocate (Hobart Town, Tas. : 1846 - 1851), Thursday 15 August 1850, page 2 DEATHS. In Honolulu, in April, Catherine Clark, aged 7 years and 5 months, daughter of Mr. W Clark. The family, were passengers on board the 'Caroline', wrecked off Honolulu. In Honolulu, in April, Mary Lovelock, infant daughter of Mr. George Lovelock, who were also passengers on the 'Caroline'. Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954), Friday 10 May 1850, page 2 Shipwreck and Loss of Life.- The British bark 'Caroline', of London, Captain Perry, 110 days from Hobart Town, anchored off our harbour (Honolulu) on Monday morning last, intending to remain only long enough to procure water and other supplies, being on her passage to California. During the early part of the day, the wind, which was from the southward, freshened considerably, and it became evident to all acquainted with the nature of our harbour, &c., that the situation of the vessel was one of extreme peril. Captain Maughn, the pilot, went on board in the morning, and at 5 p.m. the cables were slipped, and an attempt made to wear and stand out to sea, but owing to the heavy swell, it was impossible to get weigh (way) on her, and she struck on the reef at the leeward side of the passage, where she now lies.-After the vessel struck, it being understood that a number of women were on board, several of our citizens procured boats, and with praiseworthy courage pulled through the surf and brought all of them that could be reached in safety to the beach. Shortly after grounding, the standing rigging was cut, and the masts went by the board, carrying with them a seaman, named John Wilson, a native of Sweden, aged about 27 years. A rope and a grating were thrown to him, but it is supposed that he was struck by some of the falling rigging, and thus response was incapable of exertion before reaching the water. His body was found upon the reef yesterday morning, and identified by several of the passengers and crew. Captain Maughn arrived from the wreck last evening, leaving the master and five others still on board. Their situation, although anything but pleasant, we do not apprehend to be dangerous.-Honolulu Times, March 27. Cheers Col

Hello all, Edith Mary Palmer married Edward Arthur Lovelock of the Shrewton Tree in 1927. Their entries in the 1939 Register are open to view, which provides her birth date of 28 Nov 1906. Edward Arthur died in 1971. The 1939 entry also records that Edith Mary later married someone named Cutler, other annotations suggesting that the marriage took place on or before 30 Jul 1973. However, Free BMD, Ancestry and Findmypast have no trace of the marriage, nor do they have any record of the death of an Edith M Lovelock or Cutler who was born in 1906. Does anyone have any other information? Regards, Graham

Thanks Graham & Yann I have put the photo of Thomas & Ann's cottage with his file. Is this Thomas & Ann in a tree online Please ? Cheers Col ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graham Lovelock" <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> To: "Lovelock family history" <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 29 Oct, 2018 At 10:25 PM Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: Lovelock convicts to Australia Hmmm! So Thomas was born in about 1797, which means not in New Zealand as I understand the history. I wonder if there are any candidates in our records? Regarding Col's earlier message, I think the idea that William might have returned to the UK and married Lucy White at least partly arose because there does not seem to be any record in Australia of his death. However, the necessary timing of events is not totally supported, I believe, by existing documentation. William was sentenced to 10 years on 25 November 1844, and I presume the clock started ticking from then. He did not actually arrive in Tasmania until 1846, so it would seem unfair to start the 10 years from then. If he did come back to the UK he could only have done that if he had received a Certificate of Freedom I believe (and of course been capable of paying for his passage, unless he joined a ship's crew). As Certificates of Freedom were issued at the end of a sentence William could have received his in November 1854, and just about been back in the UK in time to marry Lucy White in September 1855. We can be absolutely certain of the identity of the man sent to Tasmania because of the identification in the records of other members of the family, including his father, also named William. The marriage record from 1855 identifies him as a Cordwainer (Shoemaker), as was his father William, and in the 1861 and successive Censuses he gave his birthplace as Bermondsey, which is consistent with his baptism record and the family's residence in 1841. So it looks as though there is only one man at the heart of the story. What we are missing are the Certificate of Freedom, proof of him re-entering the UK, and anything to unequivocally link him to the rest of his family from 1855 onwards. A lot to ask! Regards, Graham ________________________________ From: Yann Lovelock via LOVELOCK <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: 29 October 2018 07:13 To: Lovelock family history Cc: Yann Lovelock I also know about that couple. Thomas Lovelock was a retired soldier who was given a bungalow which survived until the 1950s. I once found a photo of it online which I've preserved here https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=45237957475&set=a.10152696097167476&type=3&theater if anyone is interested. Yann From: colinbm1 colinbm1 <colinbm1@bigpond.com> To: Lovelock family history <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 29 October 2018, 5:05 Hi Graham, sorry to disturb you again. I can now confirm that the Ann LOVELOCK that died in 1892 in Tasmania, is NOT Ann the proposed wife of William LOVELOCK. Tasmanian newspaper.... Launceston Examiner (Tas. : 1842 - 1899), Friday 4 November 1892, page 1 Deaths. LOVELOCK -On 2nd November, at her residence, Queenstown, Westbury, Ann, relict of the late Mr Thomas Lovelock, aged 82 years. Cheers Col _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hmmm! So Thomas was born in about 1797, which means not in New Zealand as I understand the history. I wonder if there are any candidates in our records? Regarding Col's earlier message, I think the idea that William might have returned to the UK and married Lucy White at least partly arose because there does not seem to be any record in Australia of his death. However, the necessary timing of events is not totally supported, I believe, by existing documentation. William was sentenced to 10 years on 25 November 1844, and I presume the clock started ticking from then. He did not actually arrive in Tasmania until 1846, so it would seem unfair to start the 10 years from then. If he did come back to the UK he could only have done that if he had received a Certificate of Freedom I believe (and of course been capable of paying for his passage, unless he joined a ship's crew). As Certificates of Freedom were issued at the end of a sentence William could have received his in November 1854, and just about been back in the UK in time to marry Lucy White in September 1855. We can be absolutely certain of the identity of the man sent to Tasmania because of the identification in the records of other members of the family, including his father, also named William. The marriage record from 1855 identifies him as a Cordwainer (Shoemaker), as was his father William, and in the 1861 and successive Censuses he gave his birthplace as Bermondsey, which is consistent with his baptism record and the family's residence in 1841. So it looks as though there is only one man at the heart of the story. What we are missing are the Certificate of Freedom, proof of him re-entering the UK, and anything to unequivocally link him to the rest of his family from 1855 onwards. A lot to ask! Regards, Graham ________________________________ From: Yann Lovelock via LOVELOCK <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: 29 October 2018 07:13 To: Lovelock family history Cc: Yann Lovelock I also know about that couple. Thomas Lovelock was a retired soldier who was given a bungalow which survived until the 1950s. I once found a photo of it online which I've preserved here https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=45237957475&set=a.10152696097167476&type=3&theater if anyone is interested. Yann From: colinbm1 colinbm1 <colinbm1@bigpond.com> To: Lovelock family history <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 29 October 2018, 5:05 Hi Graham, sorry to disturb you again. I can now confirm that the Ann LOVELOCK that died in 1892 in Tasmania, is NOT Ann the proposed wife of William LOVELOCK. Tasmanian newspaper.... Launceston Examiner (Tas. : 1842 - 1899), Friday 4 November 1892, page 1 Deaths. LOVELOCK -On 2nd November, at her residence, Queenstown, Westbury, Ann, relict of the late Mr Thomas Lovelock, aged 82 years. Cheers Col

Hi everyone! I've just come across a news item from August in which the Leonard Lovelock was given a degree ceremony all his  own on his 100th birthday - https://www.ucl.ac.uk/campaign/news/2018/aug/leonard-lovelock-1940s-chemistry-alumnus The back story is that he originally graduated from London University in 1940 and was evacuated from the city before he could attend the ceremony. | | | | | | | | | | | Leonard Lovelock: 1940s Chemistry Alumnus Leonard Lovelock was awarded a BSc in Chemistry in 1940 and at 100 years old, is our oldest alumnus. | | | | Yann

I also know about that couple. Thomas Lovelock was a retired soldier who was  given a bungalow which survived until the 1950s. I once found a photo of it online which I've preserved here https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=45237957475&set=a.10152696097167476&type=3&theater if anyone is interested. Yann From: colinbm1 colinbm1 <colinbm1@bigpond.com> To: Lovelock family history <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 29 October 2018, 5:05 Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: Lovelock convicts to Australia Hi Graham, sorry to disturb you again. I can now confirm that the Ann LOVELOCK that died in 1892 in Tasmania, is NOT Ann the proposed wife of William LOVELOCK. Tasmanian newspaper.... Launceston Examiner (Tas. : 1842 - 1899), Friday 4 November 1892, page 1 Deaths. LOVELOCK -On 2nd November, at her residence, Queenstown, Westbury, Ann, relict of the late Mr Thomas Lovelock, aged 82 years. Cheers Col _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Graham, sorry to disturb you again. I can now confirm that the Ann LOVELOCK that died in 1892 in Tasmania, is NOT Ann the proposed wife of William LOVELOCK. Tasmanian newspaper.... Launceston Examiner (Tas. : 1842 - 1899), Friday 4 November 1892, page 1 Deaths. LOVELOCK -On 2nd November, at her residence, Queenstown, Westbury, Ann, relict of the late Mr Thomas Lovelock, aged 82 years. Cheers Col

Hi Graham More convicts..... http://lovelock.free.fr/crime-and-punishment.html William LOVELOCK who appears in the Beckenham Tree. I appears that William LOVELOCK may have married Anne ALLEN.... I can only attribute this death to be for Anne ALLEN....? https://librariestas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/search/detailnonmodal/ent:$002f$002fNAME_INDEXES$002f0$002fNAME_INDEXES:1241069/one?qu=NI_NAME%3Dlovelock&qu=NI_NAME%3Dann Of course I could be wrong, she is a widow, & I can't find a death for William LOVELOCK in Tasmania ? Cheers Col

Hello all, Tucked away in one of the obscurer corners of the Lyneham Line is the marriage of Eva Hill to Joseph James Groonette, somewhere in New Zealand in 1927. Issue 994, dated 13 December 1924, of the 'NZ Truth' contained this piece: "Was He A Bachelor? ALLEGED FALSE STATEMENT That he had made a false statement in the marriage notice book was the charge heard in the Magistrate's Court at Wellington against a barber, 36 years of age, named Joseph James Groonette, alias Wilfred Albert Hewen. Evidence was given by the Deputy-Registrar of Births, Deaths, and Marriages at Wellington, who produced the marriage notice book. Particulars were shown in this of a marriage on July 23, at which one of the parties was shown as Wilfred Albert Hewen, and was decribed as a bachelor. When he interviewed accused, said Detective Murray, Groonette admitted going under the name of Hewen. He also, said the detective, admitted marrying in Johannesburg in 1913, and in London in 1923. He arrested the accused on a warrant, as he believed Groonette was attempting to abscond. Groonette was stated to have arrived in this country in February last by the Corinthic. The accused, who was represented by Mr J F B Stevenson, pleaded not guilty and was committed to the Supreme Court for trial. It was stated by Chief Detective Kemp that when the marriage certificate arrived from South Africa the accused would be charged with bigamy." As Mr Groonette was apparently free to marry Miss Hill in 1927 it all sounds as though a genuine mistake had somehow been made. Regards, Graham

You are talking some partially ancient history here, Col, in terms of the life of the website, but let's see what others can recall. We eventually identified the family in the passenger record as part of the Dowdeswell Tree as explained on the 'Early Fragments' page: http://lovelock.free.fr/frags-history.html The head of the family was actually Henry William: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/individual.php?pid=I34&ged=dowdeswell You will see that the extract from the NSW Assisted Immigrants database that we have included on Henry William's page agrees entirely with the Passenger Record you link to below. However, you will also find that a Note accessible through the 'Notes' tab perpetuates the story of Henry William's father accompanying the family. Just why we have done this I can not recall, especially as, if you look at the entry for father Henry, we have him still living in Kent in 1861, and dying there in 1863 at the age of 82. If, despite the documentary evidence to the contrary, Henry did in fact make the trip to Australia in 1857 he must have been back in Kent by the time of the 1861 Census. Before making any changes to the Dowdeswell file let us see if anybody else can remember anything about this story. Regards, Graham ________________________________ From: colinbm1 colinbm1 <colinbm1@bigpond.com> Sent: 27 October 2018 15:17 To: Lovelock family history Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: Lovelock convicts to Australia Hi Again Graham Good I have found my way around thanks....;-) A quick look at one that bugged me ? On this page....http://lovelock.free.fr/fragments/lovelock-fragments.html This is not making sense to me.... "" Fragment 8 1 Henry Lovelock b.1863 Arrived in Moreton Bay, Queensland, Australia on "New Great Britain" in 1857 at age of 93 years. Accompanied by son William Henry and family. "" The passenger record is here.... http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?Page=NRS5316/4_4793/New%20Great%20Britain_6%20Jan%201857/4_479300239.jpg&No=1 Cheers Col ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graham Lovelock" <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> To: "Lovelock family history" <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 27 Oct, 2018 At 7:35 PM Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: Lovelock convicts to Australia Good day, Col, Ah - a question I do know the answer to, for a change! Two ways: one is to go to the 'Search' facility in the drop-down menu from the 'Home' tab at the top of the page. If you enter the word convicts in the Search box the first option that comes up is the 'Crime and Punishment' page. Go to that and scroll down to just about halfway and there's the material you are after. The other way (if you know your way about the website, which I realise most do not in the way I do) is to go to 'General' in the drop-down menu from the 'Sources' tab at the top of the page and then to select 'Crime and Punishment' from the links that appear. You will find that each of the five convicts that we know went to Australia are linked to their entries in the appropriate Webtrees file, in case that is what you are really after. Regards, Graham ________________________________ From: colinbm1 colinbm1 <colinbm1@bigpond.com> Sent: 27 October 2018 01:44 To: Lovelock family history Subject: [LOVELOCK] Lovelock convicts to Australia Hi Graham I have had difficulties in using the family trees on the Lovelock site, I just find it difficult to use....? At the moment I would like to see the convicts that came to Australia please. Cheers Col _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Again Graham Good I have found my way around thanks....;-) A quick look at one that bugged me ? On this page....http://lovelock.free.fr/fragments/lovelock-fragments.html This is not making sense to me.... "" Fragment 8 1 Henry Lovelock b.1863 Arrived in Moreton Bay, Queensland, Australia on "New Great Britain" in 1857 at age of 93 years. Accompanied by son William Henry and family. "" The passenger record is here.... http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?Page=NRS5316/4_4793/New%20Great%20Britain_6%20Jan%201857/4_479300239.jpg&No=1 Cheers Col ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graham Lovelock" <lovelockgraham@hotmail.com> To: "Lovelock family history" <lovelock@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 27 Oct, 2018 At 7:35 PM Subject: [LOVELOCK] Re: Lovelock convicts to Australia Good day, Col, Ah - a question I do know the answer to, for a change! Two ways: one is to go to the 'Search' facility in the drop-down menu from the 'Home' tab at the top of the page. If you enter the word convicts in the Search box the first option that comes up is the 'Crime and Punishment' page. Go to that and scroll down to just about halfway and there's the material you are after. The other way (if you know your way about the website, which I realise most do not in the way I do) is to go to 'General' in the drop-down menu from the 'Sources' tab at the top of the page and then to select 'Crime and Punishment' from the links that appear. You will find that each of the five convicts that we know went to Australia are linked to their entries in the appropriate Webtrees file, in case that is what you are really after. Regards, Graham ________________________________ From: colinbm1 colinbm1 <colinbm1@bigpond.com> Sent: 27 October 2018 01:44 To: Lovelock family history Subject: [LOVELOCK] Lovelock convicts to Australia Hi Graham I have had difficulties in using the family trees on the Lovelock site, I just find it difficult to use....? At the moment I would like to see the convicts that came to Australia please. Cheers Col _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lovelock family history Web pages: http://lovelock.free.fr/ Browse Lovelock trees on the Webtrees portal: http://loveluck.net/LovelockTrees/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lovelock@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community