Hi all I have updated the combined Vital Records for Berkshire and Wiltshire with information kindly supplied by John Dixon at the end of last year - and which I have only just found time to finally merge with these records. Thanks John! I have sent the files to James Loveluck who will undoubtedly in due course place them on the Lovelock website. In the meantime, if anyone from the list would like a copy, please email me separately and I will send them (As you know, I can't send attachments to the list.) The additional information is baptisms, marriages and burials for the parish of Shaw in Berkshire plus assorted Will references which I have placed under their referenced parish so that they can be more easily related to burial records. I can't remember whether James has already placed this material on the website - but I wanted to locate it within the appropriate county's vital records. All the best Robert Sterry ---------------------------------------- Lovelock Web Site: www.ri.silicomp.fr/~loveluck/genealogy/lovelock

Hi Robert, ----- Original Message ----- > I think the Jane you found is a very likely possibility. Crookham (mentioned > in the baptism entry) is a town not a parish but is probably in the parish > of Thatcham in Berkshire. It is on the border of Hampshire and about 10-15 > miles from Crondall and Winchfield. It is likely that either Daniel or > Elizabeth came from there. > Not so. The Crookham referred to in the Crondall records is (or was) part of Crondall parish, as it was a tything of the parish. It is just to the 'north' of Crondall village. With reference to Lovelocks in Hampshire, I have extracted the name from the Parish Registers for Heckfield and Eversley, and am in the process of typing them up. Hope you had a wonderful time in Europe. Helen

Hi Mike Yes. I remember seeing your query whilst I was travelling overseas. You have obviously already come a long way in tracing your Lovelock ancestry. As you probably know Crondall and Winchfield are adjoining parishes in Hampshire. It was quite common to be born in one parish and baptised in the adjoining one. The entry you found for Jane d. Daniel and Elizabeth in Hampshire is a baptism. You should also be aware that she may not have been baptised the same year as her birth. I think the Jane you found is a very likely possibility. Crookham (mentioned in the baptism entry) is a town not a parish but is probably in the parish of Thatcham in Berkshire. It is on the border of Hampshire and about 10-15 miles from Crondall and Winchfield. It is likely that either Daniel or Elizabeth came from there. The only Daniel baptism I can find around 1791 is Daniel L bp 1790 in Milton Lilbourne in Wiltshire s. John L and Sarah Batt on the Lieflok Lovelock line. Milton Lilbourne is about 15 miles west of Thatcham and we have his date of death as 1866 not 1853. A bit of a longshot I think. How do you know when Daniel died by the way? Like all genealogy, suggesting and then proving connections is really a question of 'best fit' of available information. We really need to try and find the marriage of Daniel and Elizabeth presumeably abt 1820 in either Hampshire or possibly Berkshire. It would also be worth trying to trace what happened Jane's siblings: 1821 __(?) Caroline (of) Daniel and Elizabeth Lovelock 1823 Dec 25 James (of) Daniel and Elizabeth Lovelock, Crookham, labourer It is possible that the baptism entry 1808 Jan 17 Daniel illegitimate son of Elizabeth Lovelock is a child of Elizabeth and Daniel before they were married. They were then probably both underage - perhaps 15 or 16 at the time. But it sure was certainly a long time before they decided to actually get married! The more we can find out about all members of the family, the more likely we'll be able to establish other connections. I would prefer to have the actual wording from the various certificates and census you have already found - if possible. It's always better to work directly from source material. Also please bear in mind that only a relatively small number of parishes in Hampshire have been searched for Lovelocks. There's bound to be plenty more out there, including probably some of your line. Hope this helps. Best wishes Robert > Michael Turner died in 1866 he was married to Jane > Lovelock. In 1869 Jane, now a widow, remarried one Timothy > Summerfield in Hartley Wintney and therefore appears in the census > with the name Summerfield, but with a son from the first marriage who > continued to bear the name Turner (naturally). In both > censuses Jane says her birthplace was Winchfield. She > dies in the HW registration area in 1902 (but we haven't > acquired her death certificate yet). Here comes the > single line incontrovertible fact (actually two facts). > > 1 Michael Turner married Jane Lovelock on 13 June 1844 at Newnham > 2 and her father is named on the certificate as Daniel Daniel died in 1853 and from the presumed age he was born in > about 1791. Jane's 'guesses' (and given the variations we have > encountered they were guesses) at her own age in the marriage > certificate, 1871 and 1881 censuses, and from the death register > suggest she was born in the mid 1820s. > > We knew the one vital fact and these other suppositions before I saw > the Lovelock site yesterday. My concern is whether the supposed > Winchfield birth place is correct, because if not is this the same Jane > who was born in 1824 to Daniel and Elizabeth Lovelock in Crondall.

Hi Val Sorry! I seem to have mis-led you on Emma's Father. I didn't really give you the full info on him. I was just thinking about the Lovelock side. What I shall do is send you a copy of Frank's entry on the 1881 census. He was living at St. Mary's -in -the-Marsh in 1881 and was married to his first wife, Elizabeth Newing. Elizabeth died about 1882/83 which is why Frank must have needed a house-keeper, because ,by then, he had two children to look after. I'll also send you a copy of the 1891 census. By the way, in 1881 Frank was Boulden not Boulding. There is a family story of a rift that caused him to change the spelling, but we'll never know for sure. Did I send you a copy of Emma's marriage certificate ? I really can't remember if I did, so I'll send another copy of those too. Hopefully this has cleared up a few things and once again I send my apologies. Thanks for additional info. The copy of the 1891 & 1891 census would be excellent. Yes. You sent a copy of Emma's birth and marriage certificates. Thanks. I'll copy to the Lovelock list. I look forward to your additional information. Cheers Robert

Hello all Loveluck researchers, I was very interested in todays story of the Loveluck saving the life of Thomas Talbot of Margam. As far as the Loveluck family is concerned and to me it remains only a story. Would be delighted if anyone could supply any proof which would make it into something else. I am a Margam boy interested in the Loveluck family in my area as they lived close to my Roderick family, who were the stonemasons who made some stones for Lovelucks in Kenfig, Pyle and Margam. Always willing to be of assistance in any way here in Margam area . Regards Allen Blethyn in sunny Aberavon.

Hi John Sorry I have only just been able to respond to your letter 18.5.2001. I have been overseas and have only recently returned. However, I was delighted to receive your letter together with the copy of the letter from John Talbot. You are clearly directly related to my own line of Lovelocks. The letter from John Talbot (21 Cranborne Waye, Hayes, Middlesex UB4 0HW Email: jtalbot@fdn.co.uk) is intriguing. He has so much information on the Berkshire Lovelock line but says he is not connected in any way. And even more curious, there is a Talbot-Lovelock connection in Wiltshire! Coincidence perhaps? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- There is a legend in the Welsh Loveluck families concerning Thomas Talbot of Talbot's Laycock Abbey, Wiltshire, an M.P. in the English Parliament, who, in the 1700s inherited Margam Abbey and lands in Wales. Two Lovelock ancestors were employed by Thomas Talbot and were taken to Wales to build up the rundown Margam Abbey and surrounding land, to stock it with live stock which could be hunted, "foresters" being an ideal choice or this landscaping and game keeping project. One ancestor, John Lovelock, had a brother, George (Occupation: Groom) who left with him at the same time from Wiltshire. In Wales, George lived at Pengrug Farm and relatives in Glamorgan. Margam Abbey was supposed to become a first class gentleman's park and hunting area, well stocked with animal life. Talbot had a beautiful Orangery built - one of the finest in Britain outside of London. Thomas Talbot wanted Italian Statues as was the fashion to decorate the area. Talbot tool John Lovelock along to get the statues transported from Italy. On the way back via ship, they were attacked by pirates off the coast of North Africa. In the ensuing struggle, Talbot's life was saved by John Lovelock and a young protege of Talbot called David Marandaz. In gratitude, they were each allowed to have a farm rent free for the extent of their lives. From then on, John went to live a few miles away at Kenfrig and became a "burgher" (or Port Reve) of that old town and chairman of the local council. John's eldest daughter married M. Marendaz and their descendants eventually left the farm (because they were not Loveluck's in name). It is interesting to note that two grandsons became well known. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- I am copying this to John Talbot and also to the Lovelock 'list'. Because there is a Lovelock website which you apparently haven't yet discovered: www.ri.silicomp.fr/~loveluck/genealogy/lovelock as well as a 'list' where you post and receive the latest Lovelock research from quite a sizable group of Lovelock researchers. I will send you and John Talbot separately a gedcom of the Berkshire Lovelock line. I assume you can read gedcom format but let me know if this is a problem. I have incorporated John Talbot's excellent additional information showing him as the source. The concurrence in material is quite remarkable. However, there are of course a few variants which I list below: 1. James Lovelock, butcher who married Eliza I have as the son of John L 1783-1848 and Martha. John Talbot thought he might be another son of James Lovelock and Sarah Wright. 2. Were George William Lovelock (bn 1846) and Ellen Webb Lovelock (bn 1849), son and daughter of George L and Ann Squires Gordge baptised in Watlington, Oxfordshire 3. Was Frederic L. 1817-1869 buried in Shirburn, Oxon? 4. James Lovelock who married Clara Ellen Wood may be James L bn abt 1879 in Middlesex, London (grandson of George L and Ann Squires Gordge whom he was living with in the 1881 census at Henley On Thames, Oxford, England - then aged 11. 5. Mary Matilda Lovelock who married John Stone in 1842 may be Mary L. bn 1810 daughter of John Lovelock 1783-1848 and Martha. 6. I have the burial of John Thomas L.(1812-1850) as 1.7.1850 not 15.7.1850. This is as I copied the date from the PR. 7. The burial of John L. age 17 on 18.8.1817 at Wallingford St Mary le More, Berkshire is I think that of John L (1739-1817) not John L (1739-1817)who married Mary Whitick. 8. I agree that John Lovelock who was born in 1839 but did not marry Mary Whitwick until 1879 and then had several children is a bit suspicious. In fact this is the only one of the children of John Lovelock and Elizabeth Woolfe whom we have yet traced. It is quite possible that we've missed a generation here - or at least an earlier marriage. 9. In the census return for 1841 for St Martin St [Wallingford, Berkshire] the family of William L. (1786-1845) and Hannah (I assume the 'A' and 'C' code on John Talbot's family tree should be placed against Hannah rather than Catherine as Catherine died in 1824) is listed with some unknown Lovelocks: Francis age 7 and Frederick age 50. Who were they? 10.I could not locate the burial 7.1.1856 Wallingford St Mary Le More of Sarah wife of George L (1819-1870) in the PRs - from which I have extracted Lovelocks. Did I miss that one or perhaps she was buried at Wallingford St Peters or St Leonard? 11. The age at burial of Thomas L. (1788-1849) is I think 61 not 31. 12. The baptism of Julia L daughter of George L (1819-1870) and Sarah is I think 8.1.1848 not 'b-6-1848'. 13. Elizabeth Lovelock who married James Dearlove is I think Elizabeth L. d. of John L and Mary Whitwick 14. Mary Lovelock who married George Leach is I think Mary Lovelock also d. of John L and Mary Whitwick 15. The burial of Robert Lovelock 8.3.1876 is I think Robert L son of George L (1819-1870) and Sarah. John Talbot very kindly offers to reference Oxon FHS PRs and census. I would very much like to see the PR source material for Lovelock Baptisms, Marriages and Burials for Wallingford St Peters and Wallingford St Leonards in Berkshire - of which I have only referenced Wallingford St Peter Baptisms 1605-1969 and Watlington in Oxfordshire - of which I have only extracted Lovelock Baptisms 1635-1842, Marriages 1635-1837, Banns 1654-1657 and Burials 1635-1857. This appears to be where most of John Talbot's new information is coming from. I would also like very much to have all Lovelocks in the 1841 and 1851 census for anywhere in Berkshire that John is willing to extract. Thanks John once again for forwarding all that lovely new info through. I hope John Talbot also received this email. The gedcom attachment will follow by separate email. The picture you sent through of Hedgerley looks a very beautiful area. I toured England for 3 weeks earlier this year but unfortunately did not manage to catch up with Buckinghamshire. Best wishes to all on the Lovelock list. Robert Sterry ---------------------------------------- Lovelock Web Site: www.ri.silicomp.fr/~loveluck/genealogy/lovelock

Hi All Robert here! Finally back after five months of travel around Europe. Wonderful to spend a weekend with James Loveluck and his delightful family in Grenoble. What a view! So here's my very first post for 2001! I have a letter in from a Val Sears, whose great-aunt was Emma Lovelock. She sent me a marriage certificate dated Oct 12, 1908 at Parish Church of Boughton under Blean, Kent of Emma, then aged 22, a spinster, resident Ospringe (Kent), father: Frank Lovelock, deceased who married Mark Marley, aged 24, labourer, resident: Boughton (Kent), Father: John Marley, labourer. Wit: William Marley, Emily Marley. According to Val, the information Emma gave on her marriage certificate is not correct. Frank Lovelock was in fact Frank Boulding and he was still very much alive in 1908. Val also enclosed a copy of a birth certificate of Emma Lovelock dated Feb 23, 1887. Emma was born at Street, Bethersden; mother Harriet Lovelock, housekeeper, then resident at Street, Bethersden (Kent). No father listed. According to Val's letter, the story goes that Emma Lovelock's father was in fact Frank Boulding. Emma's mother, Harriet, was employed as a housekeeper at the Boulding home. Val says that Frank married Harriet and then married a second time to a Charlotte (unknown) in 1887. Frank and Charlotte Boulding then 'adopted' Emma and Emma appears as Emma Boulding in the 1891 census, still living with Frank and Charlotte. However, Emma Boulding/Lovelock called herself Emma Lovelock on her marriage certificate. Personally, I am doubtful that Frank Boulding ever married Harriet Lovelock. The misinformation Emma Lovelock gave at her wedding suggests she is covering up the truth. Val does not say what happened to Harriet Lovelock. Here's a copy of the return letter (Val is not on email) I sent: ____________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________ Thank you so much for sending through the family information on your great-aunt Emma. I cannot connect Emma’s mother Harriet to any known Lovelock line. There is now a Lovelock site on the internet that you may like to have a look at for yourself: www.ri.silicomp.fr/~loveluck/genealogy/lovelock I wondered whether Emma’s mother, Harriet, really ever married Frank Boulding, especially since she gave birth to her daughter Emma the same year as Frank married Charlotte. I checked in the 1881 census to see if I could find Harriet. One might assume she was quite young in 1887 when she gave birth to Emma so she was probably then aged somewhere between about 20-25. There was no Harriet Lovelock that really fitted. The closest was: Dwelling: 13 John St Census Place: Greenwich, Kent, England Source: FHL Film 1341168 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0721 Folio 130 Page 20 Mar Age Sex Birthplace John Pl. LOVELOCK M 63 M Mile End, Middlesex, England Rel:Head Occ: Mattress Maker (Cabr Mkr) Mary Ann LOVELOCK M 49 F New Cross, Kent, England Rel: Wife Occ: Laundress Harriet LOVELOCK U 14 F Greenwich, Kent, England Rel: Daur But Greenwich is of course a long way from Bethersden in Kent. However, it was not unusual to travel a good way from home to take up a job as a ‘housekeeper’. I also checked for a Frank Boulding living in Kent in the 1881 census: The most likely match was: Dwelling: Preston Street 6 Limes Place Census Place: Faversham, Kent, England Source: FHL Film 1341230 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0968 Folio 93 Page 14 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Frank W. BOULDING M 45 M Lynstock, Kent, England Rel: Head Occ: Butcher Master Martha BOULDING M 41 F Waterloo Town, Middlesex, England Rel: Wife Frank A. BOULDING 14 M Faversham, Kent, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Charles W. BOULDING 11 M Faversham, Kent, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Herbert H. BOULDING 9 M Faversham, Kent, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Sydney W. BOULDING 7 M Faversham, Kent, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Mary E. BOULDING 5 F Faversham, Kent, England Rel: Daur Ernest A. BOULDING 3 M Faversham, Kent, England Rel: Son Alice M. BOULDING 11 m F Faversham, Kent, England Rel: Daur Esther HUNT U 19 F Faversham, Kent, England Rel: Serv Occ: General Serv Domestic That would of course make Frank Boulding only twenty when he married Charlotte and the same age as Harriet Lovelock. It would help if we knew where Frank Boulding was living in 1881 and his age. Perhaps you know his age from his marriage to Charlotte in 1887? When you say that Emma Lovelock appears in ‘all the census’ as Emma Boulding, I assume you mean the 1891. It would be great to have that detail if at all possible. I’ll pass all this information onto the other Lovelock researchers – of which there are now quite a few – and see what they might turn up. Thanks very much once again for sending me the Lovelock information. Really appreciated. ____________________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Val does however go on to say that Emma Lovelock and Mark Marley had eight children: Winifred, Harry Richard (bn:abt 1909). John (Jack) William (bn:abt 1913), Dorothy Joyce (bn:30 June 1927), Emily Gladys (bn:abt 1916), Lillian Kathleen (bn:26 Dec 1924), George Edward (bn:4 Nov 1922) and Ida Peggy (bn:1930 d: 2 July 1949) Emma died 23 Mar 1968 at Faversham Cottage Hospital. Any thoughts? Cheers to you all Robert Sterry

Good Day, everyone I have had an enquiry from a lady whose husband is descended from a Thomas COX born 17 August 1855 at St Cross Winchester to Thomas COX and Mary Ann COX (formerly LOVELOCK). Mary Ann LOVELOCK is believed to have been baptised on 18 June 1837 at St Faith & St Cross Winchester the daughter of Charles and Mary LOVELOCK. We have nothing on the Website that fits any of these people (or have I missed it?), so has anybody come across them before? Regards, as ever Graham in a wet and soggy Yate (well it is summer in England!) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Graham, This is an intriguing variant on the Lovelock name. Have you actually seen records of it used as a surname? Anyway, I think its worth making a note of it on the Web page concerning the Lovelock name. I think I've found the missing name for the Hungerford - St Lawrence baptism - its Marianne Lovelock. You'll recall that Robert notes this series of Hungerford - St Lawrence baptisms as coming from the IGI. So I checked on the LDS FamilySearch Web site and there it was, along with the other children of James L and Lucy. Here are the details: Marianne LOVELOCK Sex: F Event(s): Christening: 23 Sep 1821 Hungerford, Berkshire, England Parents: Father: James LOVELOCK Mother: Lucy Source Information: Batch number: C018803 Dates: 1813-1832 Source Call No.: 1040521 Type: Film Printout Call No.: 6900125 ----- Regards, James --- Graham Lovelock wrote: > > Good day all > > I have just come across the Anglo-Saxon word luflice and wondered if anyone had ever seen it suggested as a possible origin of LOVELOCK? > > In case you were wondering, it means "lovingly". > > No answer yet I see to my enquiry about the HUNGERFORD ST LAWRENCE BAPTISM on 23 Sep 1821: > > LOVELOCK, Father: James LOVELOCK Mother: Lucy > > I presume nobody has been able to get near the records to find out what this child's Christian name was? Will we have to wait for Robert to get home, perhaps? > > Regards to all > > Graham > > lovelockgraham@hotmail.com >

Hello all Has anyone a link with "My " Lovelocks? They were in the village of Shipton Moyne , on the Gloucester/Wilts border, in the period 1790-1870: Thomas Lovelock married Mary LNU 16/6/1799 Shipton Moyne - I'd like to know where he came from - IGI has a solitary Thomas born abt 1773 in Dowdeswell,but that is about 20 miles north, and there is no proven link. Chidren: Eliza ch 1/9/1799 (married John Rickards 25/12/1818 Maria ch 3/7/1803 (my great-great grandmother, married Charles Tanner) Hannah ch 17/7/1808 John b 1810 married Ann LNU of North Nibley 14/10/1833 Chidren of the latter couple: Mary Anne 1835 Thomas 1837 Hannah 1840 George 1842 Elizb 1844 Charles 1845 John 1847 Thomas moved to Wilts (dropping a couple of years of age?): (1881 census): Dwelling: Brokenborough Farm Census Place: Brokenborough, Wiltshire, Thomas LOVELOCK M 40 M Shipton Moyne, Wiltshire, England Rel: Lodger (Head) Occ: Agr Labr Sarah LOVELOCK M 37 F Shipton Moyne, Wiltshire, England Rel: Wife Occ: Agr Labr Wife Elizabeth LOVELOCK 5 F Shipton Moyne, Wiltshire, England Rel: Daur William LOVELOCK 1 M Shipton Moyne, Wiltshire, England Rel: So Charles (above) is in the 1881 census: : 30 Liversage St Census Place: Derby St Peter, Derby, England Charles LOVELOCK M 35 M Shipton Moyne, Gloucester, England Rel: Head Occ: Railway Signalman Bertha LOVELOCK M 29 F Alderton, Wiltshire, England Rel: Wife Henry Charles LOVELOCK 7 M Bristol, Gloucester, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Bertha Elizabeth LOVELOCK 5 F Derby, Derby, England Rel: Daughter Occ: Scholar Frederick Thomas LOVELOCK 2 M Derby, Derby, England Rel: Son Eva Georgina LOVELOCK 1 m F Derby, Derby, England Rel: Daughter William Arthur LOVELOCK U 20 M Shipton Moyne, Gloucester, England Rel: Brother Occ: Rail Engin Maker Labourer Locomotive Works Some had reached London by then: 2 sisters appear below, (Hannah Lansdown being presumably nee Lovelock) Dwelling: 107 Victoria St Census Place: Westminster St Margaret, London, Middlesex, England Hannah LANSDOWN M 41 F Shipton Moyne, Gloucester, England Rel: Wife (Head) Occ: Housekeeper Elizabeth LANSDOWN 10 F London Westminster, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Daug Occ: Scholar William C. LANSDOWN 7 M London Westminster, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Alfred LANSDOWN 5 M London Westminster, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Frank LANSDOWN 4 M London Westminster, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Minnie LANSDOWN 2 F London Westminster, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Daug Percy LANSDOWN 7 m M London Westminster, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Elizabeth LOVELOCK U 37 F Shipton Moyne, Gloucester, England Rel: Sister To Wife Occ: Servant Ann PRICE U 18 F Alton, Hereford, England Rel: Serv Occ: General Servant The George below is another from the same family ( allowing for the misspelling of his birthplace: Dwelling: 20 Lienster St Census Place: Paddington, London, Middlesex, George LOVELOCK U 38 M Shipstons Muse, Gloucester, England Rel: Lodger Occ: Groom ANY links -either further back from Thomas, sideways to neighbouring villages, or forwards to the present descendants -would be gratefully appreciated. Steve Tanner (based Wales : Beili-glas Rhydargaeau Carmarthen SA 32 7HY)

Allow me to introduce myself as a new member to the Lovelock list. Let me thank Graham L who replied very promptly when I discovered his name in a Hampshire reference site. Graham recommended that I look at the web site, and having subscribed to it let me thank James L for his words of welcome. I probably join with more questions than answers, but I can add one new event to the ones I have seen so far on the site. Forgive my verbosity but it is in the nature of my business to tell a story. My name is Michael Turner (born in London 1948) son of Edward Ernest (born in Cambridge 1918 as a WW1 evacuee) son of Edward Ernest (born in Pontefract Yorkshire in 1880) and the fact that I am writing to you from Yorkshire is down to the chance of employment because Edward Ernest was the son of Robert John (born in Winchfield according to the 1881 census) who married in Pontefract into an immigrant Irish family called Burke So that establishes the Hampshire connection. Or at least in the 1881 census Robert John says that his birthplace was Winchfield. From his marriage certificate we discover that his father was Michael Turner. Michael died in 1866, but by a careful analysis of the 1871 and 1881 censuses for Hampshire, and from the births, deaths, and marriages indexes, we were able to establish that he had been married to Jane Lovelock. In 1869 Jane, now a widow, remarried one Timothy Summerfield in Hartley Wintney and therefore appears in the census with the name Summerfield, but with a son from the first marriage who continued to bear the name Turner (naturally). In both censuses Jane says her birthplace was Winchfield. She dies in the HW registration area in 1902 (but we haven't acquired her death certificate yet). Here comes the single line incontrovertible fact (actually two facts). 1 Michael Turner married Jane Lovelock on 13 June 1844 at Newnham 2 and her father is named on the certificate as Daniel Working remotely here in Yorkshire is not easy, yet from the births, deaths and marriages indexes that we have on microfische we think that this Daniel in 1853 and from the presumed ages he was born in about 1791. Jane's 'guesses' (and given the variations we have encountered they were guesses) at her own age in the marriage certificate, 1871, 1881 censuses and from the death register suggest she was born in the mid 1820s. We knew the one vital fact and these other suppositions before I saw the Lovelock site yesterday. My concern is whether the supposed Winchfield birth place is correct, because if not is this the same Jane who was born in 1824 to Daniel and Elizabeth Lovelock in Crondall. With best wishes to all of the Lovelocks from a once lost great-great-grandson of Jane. Michael Turner Professor Michael Turner Economic Studies University of Hull Hull HU6 7RX tel: 01482 465913 fax: 01482 466216 e-mail: M.E.Turner@hull.ac.uk

Hello all I have received an enquiry about a Jane Lovelock who was apparently born in Winchfield, Hampshire in the early 1820s. She died in 1902. Her father was Daniel Lovelock who died in 1853. She married Michael Turner from Hartley Wintney in 1844. I have checked out the data on the site for Winchfield and Hartley Wintney, but to no avail. Does anybody by any chance know anything of the Lovelocks from this part of the world? Regards Graham

Good day all I have just come across the Anglo-Saxon word luflice and wondered if anyone had ever seen it suggested as a possible origin of LOVELOCK? In case you were wondering, it means "lovingly". No answer yet I see to my enquiry about the HUNGERFORD ST LAWRENCE BAPTISM on 23 Sep 1821: LOVELOCK, Father: James LOVELOCK Mother: Lucy I presume nobody has been able to get near the records to find out what this child's Christian name was? Will we have to wait for Robert to get home, perhaps? Regards to all Graham lovelockgraham@hotmail.com Yate, S Glos UK

hi list, just reposting my intrests im researching LOVELOCK from Kingsclere(Ashford hill) Hampshire,England,uk

Hi Brian It seems to me an awful task searching the Kinsclere area for BEL in the 1891 census. If you have the birth cert for 1882 this should give the name of the parents and place. If you have the marriage cert for 1910 you should again have name and profession of the father and abode of BEL. If you have death cert 1941 you should have date & place of birth (not nec correct). With this sort of info and access to Berks directories the ad of the father should be findable. Then we might be better placed to know where to look in the '91 census! So give us a bit more info & one of us might help! John Dixon (mother Loveluck)

hi listers does anyone have access for 1891 and could do a look up for me Beatrice Eugenie LOVELOCK born 1882 married 1910 died 1941 registered in the kingsclere,registration district thanks

hi listers can anyone do a 1891 look up on Beatrice Eugenie LOVELOCK born 1882,married 1910,died 1941 from the kinsclere,Berkshire,England,uk area its from the 1891 i need as she just missed the 1881 any information about her or her family be most appreciated thankyou greyhound@crowe49.freeserve.co.uk

Brian According to some data I have her birth was registered in the Kingsclere Registration District in the April-June quarter of 1882, under the name of Beatrice Eugenie. I also have a note of the marriage of a Beatrice E in the Oct-Dec quarter of 1910, also in the Kingsclere Registration District. The Kingsclere Lovelocks are not part of either of my trees, but I do have more data tucked away. Will let you know of anything I find, unless another lister comes up trumps. Regards to all Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: brian <greyhound@crowe49.freeserve.co.uk> To: <LOVELOCK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 31 March 2001 12:14 Subject: Lovelock in england uk > hi listers > does anyone have any information on > beatrice.e.lovelock > born 1883 > died 1941 at kinsclere,berkshire,uk > married to an olford,alford or alfred cooper > known to be around the newbury,berkshire,uk area > any info or help be much appreciated > thanks in advance > greyhound@crowe49.freeserve.co.uk > > > ==== LOVELOCK Mailing List ==== > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://www.ri.silicomp.fr/~loveluck/genealogy/lovelock > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

hi listers does anyone have any information on beatrice.e.lovelock born 1883 died 1941 at kinsclere,berkshire,uk married to an olford,alford or alfred cooper known to be around the newbury,berkshire,uk area any info or help be much appreciated thanks in advance greyhound@crowe49.freeserve.co.uk

Dear All As a result of a current exchange of mail with a non-lister it has come to my notice that in the data for HUNGERFORD ST LAWRENCE BAPTISMS 1559 - 1812 there is the following: 1821 Sep 23 LOVELOCK, Father: James LOVELOCK Mother: Lucy Does anybody have any idea what this child's Christian name was? Happy New Year to everyone. Graham lovelockgraham@hotmail.com Yate, S Glos UK