Hi all I have now discovered that if you search for the IGI alone (by clicking on left side of search engine) and not All Resources, you get the second search window and in turn the Wales Lovelucks. And yes - there are 76 Lovelock/lucks in Wales. However, there are none unfortunately in the counties of Flintshire or Denbighshire. Mostly in Glamorgan. By the way, I could not get the 'counties' field to work at all. I just get an error message. Most peculiar. Best wishes Robert

I think I may have found the problem. I finally got on to the LDS site and had a fiddle about. I discovered that if you simply use the first search engine that pops up and enter Wales as the country you get nothing. However, if you search for England and when you get your first names downloaded (none being from Wales) and then click the Refine search button, you get a different search window which allows you to specify the county. If you then enter Wales, it produces the Loveluck names. However, when I tried to repeat this search, I couldn't get back up this second search window which allows searching by counties - which would be very handy. In fact I've never seen it before. I only kept getting the first search window which steadfastly refuses to devulge any Lovelucks at all in Wales. Something very strange going on here. I will send to the LDS list and see what they make of it. Very odd. Perhaps there's something wrong with my browser. Could a few of you please try the LDS site: www.familysearch.org and see if you can bring up any Lovelucks in Wales? I'd be most interested to see how you fare. Best wishes Robert Sterry

Thanks Allen for double checking. But I'm curious why the LDS site indicated there were none? I've just tried again and can't get on at all so site must be busy or down. I must admit I was a bit dubious when I got zero hits. I even double checked England to be sure it was working correctly and they all came up ok. Any ideas? I'm sure they'd like to know if their engine wasn't working correctly or intermittently or whatever - and for that matter so would I as I use their site quite a lot and often don't double check the fiche. Cheers Robert > I have checked IGI Site and there over 70 hits for LOVELUCKS IN WALES. > > Regards Allen in Aberavon

Hello Robert, I only use the I.G.I. to search, you will then get same results every time. >From initial page, choose from list on the left. Other searches are usefull to me , but only as a guide, as with it all if it comes to that. Best Regards Allen in Aberavon.

Malcolm I can save you the trouble Malcolm. I just checked the LDS website www.familysearch.org and there are no Lovelocks or Lovelucks in the IGI for Wales. Pity. Best wishes Robert > I am not sure what you mean by printed copies. Can't your local > LDS Family History Centre help?> > I am trying to get printed copies of the IGI's birth and > marriages for Lovelock's in the counties of Flintshire and > Denbighshire. Does any one know the address of any company > selling the printed copies? as it's years since I've requested IGI copies.

In a message dated 14/10/01 10:07:02 GMT Daylight Time, LOVELOCK-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << From: "Robert Sterry" <rsterry@zip.com.au> To: LOVELOCK-L@rootsweb.com >> I have checked IGI Site and there over 70 hits for LOVELUCKS IN WALES. Regards Allen in Aberavon

Malcolm, I am not sure what you mean by printed copies. Can't your local LDS Family History Centre help? Dianne Snowden Richmond, Tasmania M F Lovelock wrote: > Hi All > > I am trying to get printed copies of the IGI's birth and marriages for Lovelock's in the counties of Flintshire and Denbighshire. Does any one know the address of any company selling the printed copies? as it's years since I've requested IGI copies. > > Regards > > Malcolm "L" > > ==== LOVELOCK Mailing List ==== > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://www.ri.silicomp.fr/~loveluck/genealogy/lovelock > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html

Hi All I am trying to get printed copies of the IGI's birth and marriages for Lovelock's in the counties of Flintshire and Denbighshire. Does any one know the address of any company selling the printed copies? as it's years since I've requested IGI copies. Regards Malcolm "L"

Hi All I received a copy today of Thomas William Lovelock's Birth certificate.(see below for details). When and Where Born Name Fathers Name Mothers Name and (Maiden Name) Occ Father Reg Date 10/07/1871 Thomas Thomas Sarah Ann *(Mindenhall) Farm Lab 12/08/1871 Shalbourne William Lovelock Lovelock Registration District Hungerford Birth in the Sub-district of Kintbury in the Counties of Berks, Hants asnd Wilts Certificate No BXBZ 323154 I also received three other birth certificates for Thomas and Sarah Ann's children born in Noth Wales. I will send their details directly if anyone is interested. I have now narrowed my search for only one other child of Thomas and Sarah Ann, a John Lovelock born around 1876 in North Wales. Regards Malcolm "L"

Hi Malcolm Bagshot is mentioned as being part of Shalbourne in my book on Wiltshire Place names. Also, Bagshot is not mentioned as a parish on a map of Wiltshire Parishes. Will see if I can find further information tomorrow. Rgds, Helen Melbourne, Australia ----- Original Message ----- > I received a copy today of Sarah Ann Lovelock's Birth certificate.(see below for details). > <snip> > > Does anyone know if Bagshot is a parish on its own or just comes under Shalbourne as I am not sure?

Malcolm (and all) Bagshot has never been a parish - it is little more than a hamlet, just a little downstream (in a more or less northerley direction) from Shalbourne. It does have either a chapel or small church, but it is so long since I was there that I can not remember which. The stream is un-named, rises not much above Shalbourne and eventually has been engineered to feed the Kennet and Avon canal just west of Hungerford. On some old maps the hamlet was the site of a mill, sometimes referred to as BUGSHOT Mill. The place has been around a while though, because it got a mention in the Domesday Book. Regards Graham _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Hi All I received a copy today of Sarah Ann Lovelock's Birth certificate.(see below for details). When and Where Born Name Fathers Name Mothers Name and (Maiden Name) Occ Father Reg Date 21/11/1869 Sarah Thomas Sarah Ann *(Mildenhall) Farm Lab 26/12/1869 Bagshot Shalbourne Ann Lovelock Lovelock * Mildenhall with the first L crossed out. Registration District Hungerford Birth in the Sub-district of Kintbury in the Counties of Berks, Hants asnd Wilts Certificate No BXBZ 315506 Application No Y007615 Does anyone know if Bagshot is a parish on its own or just comes under Shalbourne as I am not sure? I have sent off for further copies of Thomas and Sarah Ann (Mildenhall) Lovelock's chidren in Wiltshire and N. Wales will pass on details. Regards Malcolm "L"

Some of you may remember that some months ago we (especially Graham and Robert) had a lively discussion about the "Lieflock Line" (see the page "Wiltshire Fragments" in the "Fragments" section of the Web pages). Graham has pointed out that one set of comments did not get included on the Web page. I have now corrected this omission, and you will find it linked to the page referred to above - there is also a direct link on the "What's New" page. My apologies to Graham for this negligence! Regards, James

Hi all Having been sent lots more Lovelock GRO entries by Graham Lovelock and James Loveluck pointing out that John Dixon had also put together a very extensive Loveluck GRO database that was already on the Loveluck website that I might like to incorporate, I have been rather busy typing! The latest version of the Lovelock GRO database now stands at 2493 entries. Sending to James as usual. Email me separately if you would like your own copy. Best wishes Robert PS Any more GRO stuff out there please? PPS Please bear in mind there are still lots of gaps and undoubtedly typing and interpretation errors so please use with caution until it can be rechecked.

Hello all, I've added to the Web pages the Lovelock extracts from the GRO which Robert provided. Robert's data was originally in the form of an MS Access file, but I'm not sure whether everyone has MS Access, so I've converted the data to both HTML and Excel formats. If anyone would like the original MS Access file, Robert or I would be pleased to provided it. The complete HTML file took quite a while to load, so I've split it into 3 files (births marriages and deaths) which take a little bit less time to load. The files are available from the page: Sources -> General and are also linked to the "What's New" page. Regards, James

Hello all, I've updated two files to include the latest revisions from Robert: 9-Sep-01: Updated the file Lovelocks from Hampshire by Parish to the latest version provided by Robert Sterry. This version includes records recently extracted for Vernham Dean 9-Sep-01: Updated the file Lovelocks in Wiltshire by parish to the latest version provided by Robert Sterry. This version includes MIs and Apprenticeship records for Lovelocks in Wiltshire, provided by Malcolm Lovelock. The MIs are mostly post 1900 and the Apprenticeships are mainly for Wootton Rivers. The Wiltshire file has, as usual, been "sanitised" to eliminate potentially living individuals. (Complete version available on demand from Robert or myself). Regards, James

Hi All Now I'm sure you have all been wondering why I'd been so quiet the last few days haven't you? Well, I've been busy typing up 1129 Lovelock birth, death and marriage events from the GRO (the old St Catherine House index). I have combined what I inherited from cousin Gwen together with data bases kindly supplied by Alison Turner and Graham Lovelock. Its far from complete of course but not a bad start all the same. Mostly from 1837 to the 1880s. Hopefully one day I can persuade one or two of you to help me complete it. In the meantime, what we have will hopefully be a useful resource. As usual I will send to James to place somewhere on the Lovelock website. Email me separately if you want your copy direct. I have used Access 2000 for the database so if you have an earlier version of Access or do not have Access at all, I can send it in a variety of other formats. Please let me know what format you would like. Best wishes Robert

Hello all, In addition to other holiday activities, I found a little time during my (second) summer holiday to make a couple of additions to the Lovelock Web pages. Details from the "What's New" page are as follows: 24-Aug-01: Added extracts for Lovelock and related names from the Nimrod Index - 1851 Wiltshire Census (Excel format, HTML format) 23-Aug-01: Added a new page for Glamorgan to the Sources section. Currently this includes: - Lovelock/Loveluck extracts from the IGI for Glamorgan - Loveluck MIs for the Abbey Church of St Mary's Margam and St. Mary Magdalene's Parish Church, Mawdlam, Kenfig. - Glamorgan census extracts for Loveluck and related families For the Nimrod 1851 census extracts, I've included all entries on the paper copy (which was provided my Gwen Eastment via Robert Sterry) for Lovelock, Lovelocke and Loveluck, including those where the head of the household has one of these names. However, I have not included entries which were on the paper copy for names such as Lovell, Loveridge, Lovesey, etc., which I don't believe are related to the Lovelock name. I've provided versions of the listing in both HTML and Excel formats. The latter is useful of one wants to reorder the entries. The default is sorted on name, parish then house code. Concerning the Glamorgan sources, many of you are aware that I have additional material on my Glamorgan Loveluck branch, which is not publicly accessible. The reason for this is that some of the information was gathered privately from various members of the Loveluck family (notably by Janet Hearle, née Loveluck) who may not have intended their information to be widely diffused. However, I also have quite a lot of material which has been obtained from parish or public records, and I have decided to "liberate" such material by linking it to the Lovelock Web pages (I trust that everyone will accept Loveluck as a legitimate variant on the Lovelock name!) I shall probably add other material as I identify suitable candidates. Regards, James

Hi Sally Have now completed the film of Vernham Dean PRs. Rather than send two emails with split information, I have added any new info to what I sent previously. See below. Any apparent gaps in register are indicated. The film is faint and difficult to read in places. Film of Vernham Dean, Hampshire. LDS #1041219. Baptisms 1598-1674, 1680-1701, 1800-1839 1600 Aug 23 Jonne the Daughter of John Lovlocke was baptised the xxiii of August 1600 1601 Sep 4 Margaret Lyvelock the daughter of John Lyvelock was baptised the fourth day of September 1604 Feb 14 Dorothy the Daughter of John Livelocke was baptised the xiv daye of ffebruary 1607 DEc 23 Joane Lyvelock the daughter of John Lyvelock was baptised the xxiiith day of Decemb. 1621 Sep 23 Richard Livelock the sonne of Christopher Livelock was baptised the xiii day of September 1623 Apr 19 Margery Livelocke the daughter of Christopher Livelocke was baptised the xixth of Aprill 1624 Feb 17 Mary Livlocke the Daughter of Christopher Livlocke was baptised the xviithe day of ffebruary 1626 Jan 13 Will Livlocke the son of Christopher Livlocke was baptised the xiiith day of Januarii 1632 Aug 5 John Livelock the sonne of Christopher Livelock was baptised the vth of August 1634 May 4(?) Jane(?) Livelocke the daughter of xopher Livlocke baptised the 4th(?) day of May 1635 ____ ____ Livelocke the daughter of xopher Livelocke was baptised 5th of March 1640 Apr 3 Xopher Livelocke the sonne of xopher Livelocke baptised ye 3th day of Aprilis 1642 Oct 8 Richard the son of Christopher Livelock and his wife Joan was baptised the 8th day of october 1813 Aug 29 Susannah daughter of Stephen & Mary Lovelock, Vernham, labourer 1816 May 26 Arter son of Stephen & Mary Lovelock 1822 May 12 Eliza daughter of Stephen & Mary Lovelock 1824 Jun 27 Jane daughter of of Stephen & Mary Lovelock 1827 Apr 1 Anne daughter of of Stephen & Mary Lovelock 1827 Apr 15 Henry son of Stephen & Mary Lovelock 1827 Apr 15 Joshua son of Stephen & Mary Lovelock 1830 Jun 6 Anna Maria daughter of of Stephen & Mary Lovelock 1833 Oct 27 William son of Stephen & Mary Lovelock Marriages 1607-1673, 1695-1696 1607 Jan 26 Thomas Perse & Edyth Lyvelock were married the xxvi day of Januarii 1638 Oct 11 Wm Spenser of Fostasbury(?) in cadwels(?) & Anne Livelocke married 11th october 1638 1657 Oct 1 Thomas Symms widower & Joane Livelocke widow were married the first day of October Burials 1598-1629, 1654-1677, 1695, 1697 1598 Feb 20 Maryanne(?) Livelock the daughter of Thomas Livelock of Derman(Deane, Denmead?) the xxth of februarii 1607 Dec 21 John Livelock was buryed the xxith day of December 1612 Sep(?) 20 Richard Livelock was buried the xxth of September(?) 1627 Dec 5 Agnes(?) the wife of Christopher Livelocke was buried the vth day of December 1655 Jan 16 John Livelocke sonne of Christopher Livelocke & Joane his wife was buried ye sixteenth day of January 1677 Dec 10 Xopher Livelocke was buried December 10th

You will find it is working now. I have found over the last week or so that I often have to "Refresh" once or twice to get it to open. Regards Graham _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp