John Dixon wrote: ><snipped> > >I am sending my updated list to James with all the bmd entries in freebmd marked (first names in red, or pink if added in the update of 1 April). You will see that there are whole blocks missing. > I've updated the document on the Web pages to the latest version provided by John. It was previously linked only to the LovelUck Web pages (since most of the records are LovelUck) but I've now linked it to the LovelOck pages as well (Sources-> General). Note that the document on the Web has been "censured" in the usual way - births after 1903 and marraiges after 1923 have been removed. I can send the unexpurgated version to anyone interested. Some of these entries also appear in the GRO extracts provided by Malcolm L and Robert, but John's coverage of LovelUcks is more complete. One last point concerning BMD records - just in case anyone hasn't already seen the news, the" Family Research Link" Web site offering acess to images of BMD records, on payment of a modest fee, is now operational at: http://www.1837online.com/ For £5 one can purchase 50 units (+10% discount at the moment) to view the same number of records (the only catch is that sometimes one needs to view several pages before getting to the right one!) This service can temporarily fill in when the records are not available from freebmd. Since these are scanned images of the GRO indexes, one doesn't have the problem of searching for the spouse in the case of marriages. Does anyone know why freebmd decided to handle marriages in this way (not including the name of the spouse)? >For some reason I have no ref for Cecilia's m to John ~1860 nor his birth ~1836, where was he for all the censuses? The Howell L seems to have used any combination of 3 first names! > I don't have any further information on them either, except that they were perhaps married at Pontypridd. However, Allen Blethyn is doing some detective work on this couple, so maybe we'll have some more information soon! James

Hi When I first tried freebmd a year or 2 ago it had only ~2% records and I found nothing useful, but it now has getting on for 50% of all RGO bmd index entries for 1837-1902, some years are virtually complete but others are virtually non-existent. Whilst there have not been any new Lovelucks to add to my list of RGO entries on James's web site, I have been able to add several marriage partners. If you click on the ref for a marriage you get up to 8 people (1 to7 others) with the same ref, usually 4 male and 4 female. In a good number of cases you get just one to match the one you know - no doubt because the other (up to) 3 have not been done yet. Sometimes all but one can be eliminated from other info, but in some cases we are left with a choice of 2 to 4. There are clearly some omissions and errors and duplicates, but so far there has been no way to find a partner if the surname was not known. Previously at RGO or using the fiches at Bromley Lib I have found the first n! ame by checking for the same ref under the known or possible surname for the same time quarter. I am sending my updated list to James with all the bmd entries in freebmd marked (first names in red, or pink if added in the update of 1 April). You will see that there are whole blocks missing. The site is very busy now that it has become really useful! Just do Google and enter freebmd to get the ref - the first! For some reason I have no ref for Cecilia's m to John ~1860 nor his birth ~1836, where was he for all the censuses? The Howell L seems to have used any combination of 3 first names!! John Dixon

Very interesting John! I have Howell Ronald Llewelyn Loveluck married Margot Lewis, so I wonder who is the Eva Loveluck, born Canada (given the other attributions I don't suppose we need to take the country of birth too seriously!) According to my notes (from Janet Hearle) Howell Ronald was in the consular service (presumably British) which would explain his numerous Carribean trips. His children Philip and Linda Sue settled in the US and there are death records for his son Philip and grandson Ronald William in the California state records (available via Rootsweb). I also have copies of California birth records (provided by Lynn Davis) for the children of Philip L: Linda Sue b. 23 Nov 1941, Ronald William b. 27 May 1944, both at Los Angeles, mother Higgins. For Allen: this is part of the Llangynwyd Loveluck family - Howell Ronald Llewelyn Loveluck was the youngest son of John L and Cecilia Evans. James

Hi From ellisisland.org I got the following: Howell Ronald Loveluck GB English(!) Llangonoyd Wales ar 4-10-1907 age 24 male single on "Cedric" from Liverpool. Howell Ronald Loveluck of England ar 23-8-1909 age 26 male on "Philadelphia" from San Juan Porto Rico. Ronald Loveluck of Bridgend England ar 16-12-1909 age 26 male single on "Majestic" from Southampton. Howell Loveluck of Havana Cuba ar 27-7-1915 age 31 male married from Havana on "Havana" paid by self prev to USA 1910 to Hotel McAlkin 5'4" fair hair brown (eyes) born Glasgow England(!). Eva Loveluck of Havana Cuba ar 27-7-1915 female age 27 from Havana on "Havana" paid by husband, prev to USA 1910 to Hotel McAlkin 5'8" fair hair brown (eyes) born Canada. Howell Loveluck of Philadelphia ar 5-9-1918 age 35 mar on "Morro Castle" from Havana Cuba. Howell R Loveluck, ethnicity GB Welch, of San Juan Porto Rico, ar 15-3-1919 age 35 male mar on "Caracas" from SJPR. There are 103 Lovelock entries, but many are repeats esp Owen Lovelock! You can get half the detailed info (after registering) from the enlarged scan of the manifest and the other half from the text version - for free! You have to pay for a proper printout of the manifest. John Dixon.

Hello all, I've updated the "Lovelocks in Hampshire" file on the Web pages to the latest version provided by Robert on 23 Mar. Here's the details from the "What's New" page and the Sources-> Hampshire page: 30-Mar-03: Updated Lovelocks in Hampshire by Parish <http://perso.numericable.fr/%7Elovjames/family-history/lovelock/lovelocks-in-hants.htm> to the version provided 23-Mar-03 by Robert Sterry <mailto:rsterry@zip.com.au>Includes new material obtained by John Lovelock from the Hampshire RO from the transcriptions/surname indexes, In particular a number of new baptisms, marriage and burial events in Kingsclere and Twyford. For Robert and John: I integrated the minor corrections from John in his message of 25 Mar - please make sure I did so correctly! Regards, James PS After almost 4 weeks of dry sunny spring weather, we're having a little rain this evening in Grenoble

Hello list, May be of interest Glamorgan 1861 Census Index. Also anyone got any interest in possible story of a Loveluck family connection with the old traditional story of The Maid of Cefn Ydfa. Llangynwyd. Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD 4076 031 017 CHAPEL HOUSE LOVELOCK ELIZABETH VR U 20 GLA MARGAM 4075 057 071 CASTLETON LOVELOCK GEORGE SV U 27 WIL LYNEHAM 4039 029 095 UPPER HOUSE LOVELOCK MARTHA SV U 15 GLA KENFIG HILL Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD 4079 061 035 "NEW HOUSE" LOVELUCK ANN DA - 2 GLA PYLE 4080 005 023 TY FRY LOVELUCK ANN DA U 25 GLA MARGAM 4078 006 019 LLEST FACH LOVELUCK ANN NC U 30 GLA COYCHURCH 4077 049 043 DUNRAVEN PL. LOVELUCK ARTHUR SO - 9 GLA BRIDGEND 4079 067 093 SKER EXTRA PAROCHIAL LOVELUCK CATHARINE DA U 18 GLA TYTHEGSTON 4079 067 093 SKER EXTRA PAROCHIAL LOVELUCK CATHARINE WI M 43 GLA MARGAM 4080 006 027 PENTITLA LOVELUCK CATHERINE DA - 5M GLA MARGAM 4074 027 002 "WHITE HART" LOVELUCK CATHERINE VR U 19 GLA MARGAM 4080 005 023 TY FRY LOVELUCK CATHERINE WI M 49 GLA MARGAM 4077 049 043 DUNRAVEN PL. LOVELUCK CHARLES EDWARD SO - 13 GLA BRIDGEND 4041 119 059 LLANCARFAN PARISH LOVELUCK DAVID SO - 9 GLA ST.GEORGES 4077 049 043 DUNRAVEN PL. LOVELUCK EDMUND SO - 11 GLA BRIDGEND 4077 049 043 DUNRAVEN PL. LOVELUCK EDWARD SO - 4 GLA BRIDGEND 4078 006 019 LLEST FACH LOVELUCK EDWARD NP U 9 GLA LLANTWIT FARDRE 4041 009 061 BLACKLA LOVELUCK EDWARD SV - 13 GLA TYTHEGSTON 4080 005 023 TY FRY LOVELUCK EDWARD SO U 15 GLA MARGAM 4086 088 096 WATER ST. LOVELUCK EDWARD NP U 17 GLA MARGAM 4077 049 043 DUNRAVEN PL. LOVELUCK EDWARD HD M 42 GLA KENFIG 4072 051 007 WATERTOWN HALL LOVELUCK EDWARD HD M 60 GLA MARGAM 4080 005 023 TY FRY LOVELUCK ELEANOR DA U 13 GLA MARGAM 4080 071 259 CUSTOM HOUSE LOVELUCK ELIZABETH DA U 21 GLA ABERAVON 4079 069 121 MAWDLAM 1 LOVELUCK ELLIN DA - 2 GLA KENFIG 4079 068 117 BLEW STREET 20 LOVELUCK ISOD HD W 75 GLA KENFIG 4080 071 259 CUSTOM HOUSE LOVELUCK JAMES SO U 20 GLA MARGAM 4079 061 035 "NEW HOUSE" LOVELUCK JAMES HD M 31 GLA PYLE 4072 051 007 WATERTOWN HALL LOVELUCK JANE DA U 17 GLA COYCHURCH 4075 079 185 DIMLANDS CASTLE LOVELUCK JENNET SV U 18 GLA COYCHURCH 4072 051 007 WATERTOWN HALL LOVELUCK JENNET WI M 50 GLA BAGLAN 4077 049 043 DUNRAVEN PL. LOVELUCK JENNET ISOD DA - 5 GLA BRIDGEND 4075 084 247 BOVERTON LOVELUCK JOHN BO U 17 GLA PYLE 4078 006 019 LLEST FACH LOVELUCK JOHN NP U 29 GLA COYCHURCH 4079 067 093 SKER EXTRA PAROCHIAL LOVELUCK JOHN LG M 45 GLA PYLE 4041 119 059 LLANCARFAN PARISH LOVELUCK JOHN HD M 56 GLA MARGAM 4077 049 043 DUNRAVEN PL. LOVELUCK JOHN THOMAS SO - 2 GLA BRIDGEND 4041 119 059 LLANCARFAN PARISH LOVELUCK MARGARET DA - 4 GLA LLANCARFAN 4077 049 043 DUNRAVEN PL. LOVELUCK MARGARET DA - 7 GLA BRIDGEND 4080 006 027 PENTITLA LOVELUCK MARGARET WI M 25 GLA MARGAM 4077 049 043 DUNRAVEN PL. LOVELUCK MARGARET WI M 38 GLA BRIDGEND 4080 005 023 TY FRY LOVELUCK MARY DA U 17 GLA MARGAM 4054 021 201 UNION STREET 17 LOVELUCK MARY BO U 22 GLA MARGAM 4079 061 035 "NEW HOUSE" LOVELUCK MARY WI M 23 GLA PYLE 4041 119 059 LLANCARFAN PARISH LOVELUCK MARY WI M 44 GLA MERTHYR MAWR 4072 051 007 WATERTOWN HALL LOVELUCK MARY ANN DA - 10 GLA COYCHURCH 4079 068 117 BLEW STREET 20 LOVELUCK MARY I. GD - 13 GLA TYTHEGSTON 4079 069 121 MAWDLAM 1 LOVELUCK SARAH WI M 23 GLA LLANGYNWYD 4079 069 121 MAWDLAM 1 LOVELUCK SOPHIA W. DA - 5M GLA KENFIG 4079 067 093 SKER EXTRA PAROCHIAL LOVELUCK THOMAS SO - 9 GLA TYTHEGSTON 4080 006 027 PENTITLA LOVELUCK THOMAS LG M 23 GLA MARGAM 4079 069 121 MAWDLAM 1 LOVELUCK THOMAS HD M 37 GLA KENFIG 4079 043 054 PWLLYGARTH FARM, PYLE LOVELUCK THOMAS LG U 54 GLA MARGAM 4080 005 023 TY FRY LOVELUCK WILLIAM SO - 10 GLA MARGAM 4086 088 096 WATER ST. LOVELUCK WILLIAM NP - 16 [GLA]TYTHEGSTON 4080 005 023 TY FRY LOVELUCK WILLIAM LG M 48 GLA MARGAM 4080 071 259 CUSTOM HOUSE LOVELUCK WILLIAM HD W 48 GLA PYLE & KENFIG 4079 061 035 "NEW HOUSE" LOVELUCK WILLIAM G. SO - 1 GLA PYLE 4077 049 043 DUNRAVEN PL. LOVELUCK WILLIAM THOMAS SO U 15 GLA BRIDGEND Best Regards Allen in Aberavon

Hello all, I've made another update to the Lieflock line, which covers the remaining comments (up to comment (ppp)) in the "Comments on the Lieflock Line" document. This revision also includes data on some additional branches, including: o Details provided by Graham of his paternal branch, starting with the second marriage of John L (bap 14 Jun 1815 Gt Bedwyn) to Ann Andrews o Ken Gigg's branch, from Elizabeth L. (1846-?) and Edwin Waters o Maureen Louise Gaffey's branch, descended from James L (1840-?) and Elizabeth Maslen. Many thanks for these contributions! The Lieflock line now contains 1077 individuals! As before, the update includes: o An update to the annotated version of the discussion between Robert and Graham, indicating which points have been taken into account and how o An updated version of the Lieflock Line descendent report (in PDF format - see below) o An updated gedcom file, which contains much more information than the above, including source references, notes, etc. Details are available from the Web pages ("What's New", "Wiltshire Family Trees and Fragments"). Please note that the Lieflock line descendant chart is in PDF format, because the latest update of my gene program has broken the HTML format for descendant charts. I hope this doesn't cause any inconvenience. Note that the gedcom file includes not only the Lieflock line, but also data on other Wiltshire Lovelocks. There are actually 194 trees in the database, some of them consisting of only one or two individuals. So there is still lots of work to be done on linking up all these trees! And this is just Wiltshire! (Although of course the Lieflock line extends well beyond Wiltshire). Its inevitable that I've introduced errors when entering all this new data, so please don't hesitate to let me know if you find any mistakes, and I'll correct them in a subsequent update. Regards, James PS Beautiful spring weather here in Grenoble - dry and sunny for the last 2 weeks, a little chilly in the morning but warm in the afternoon (around 17 celcius)

Graham Lovelock wrote: >Having said that, beware, James, the death location of Edwin Waters : as per >my communication of last week, I suspect he actually died in Little Bedwyn, >being a resident of Chisbury Lane there at the time he died. > Yes, I've now corrected this. >RED HERRING ALERT !!! > >Edwin Waters mother's maiden name was Eliza Stagg. The Staggs were a pretty >large family and probably married into every other family for miles around >at one time or another. And now we discover that Flora the daughter-in-law >of James L and Honor Gigg was also a Stagg. > >By the way, Edwin Waters and Elizabeth L also had a daughter Emily born in >Little Bedwyn in 1878, according to Ken. > OK I've entered this daughter, source assignement Ken Gigg. > >AND, apparently Henry Hillier and Elizabeth L also had: > >Rose born abt 1882 (1891 Census) >Sarah Louisa born abt 1887 (1891 Census) > > Entered, together with the other 3 children for which you provided evidence via census records. Regards, James > >

I freely admit that I am getting a bit lost with messages appearing from unexpected directions. However, at least this one did not require me to put my thinking cap on. Having said that, beware, James, the death location of Edwin Waters : as per my communication of last week, I suspect he actually died in Little Bedwyn, being a resident of Chisbury Lane there at the time he died. RED HERRING ALERT !!! Edwin Waters mother's maiden name was Eliza Stagg. The Staggs were a pretty large family and probably married into every other family for miles around at one time or another. And now we discover that Flora the daughter-in-law of James L and Honor Gigg was also a Stagg. By the way, Edwin Waters and Elizabeth L also had a daughter Emily born in Little Bedwyn in 1878, according to Ken. AND, apparently Henry Hillier and Elizabeth L also had: Rose born abt 1882 (1891 Census) Sarah Louisa born abt 1887 (1891 Census) Graham > Hello all, > > Graham may have already mentioned it, but you missed at least one John Lovelock from your list - the progenitor of Fragment 10 (Graham's maternal line - I think there may be other list members connected to this line; please shout out!) John Lovelock b Abt. 1740, mar Elizabeth Cruse, Tidcombe Wilts 18 May 1761. > > Here is what I have in my database for the descendent tree for Elizabeth L and Edwin Waters (Ken Gigg's branch): > > 1-Edwin Waters b. 19 Oct 1846, Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England, d. 22 Dec 1915, Chisbury, Wilts., England > +Elizabeth Lovelock b. 21 Sep 1846, Pewsey, Wiltshire, England, bap. 19 Oct 1846, Savernake, Wilts., England, m.: 11 Dec 1876, Savernake, Wilts., > England, par. David Lovelock and Martha Yeates > |----2-William Waters b. Abt 1878, Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England > |----2-John Waters b. Abt 1880, Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England > |----2-Martha Waters b. 10 Jun 1885, Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England, d. 4 Sep 1945, Marlborough, Wiltshire, England > +Albert Edward Gigg b. 26 Dec 1879, Great Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England, d.20 Jun 1953, Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England, m.: 30 May 1905, > Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England, par. Henry William Gigg and Mary Johnson > |----3-Henry Edwin Gigg b. 19 Jan 1908, Great Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England, d. 19 Jul 1983, Southampton, Hants., England > +Irene Kate Dunn , par. William Charles Dunn and Kate Hicks > |----4-Kenneth Arthur Gigg > +Elsie May Barrett > > > And here is the family of Henry Hillier and Elizabeth L: > > 1-Henry Hillier b. Abt 1845 > +Elizabeth Lovelock b. 8 Jun 1848, District Of Great Bedwyn, Sub-District Of Hungerford, bap. 14 Jul 1848, East Grafton, Wiltshire, England, d. 10 Jan > 1915, m.: 1 Feb 1868, East Grafton, Wiltshire, England, par. Daniel Lovelock and Ann Chouls > |----2-William Albert Hillier bap. 29 May 1870, Burbage, Wiltshire, England, d.10 Dec 1878 > |----2-Kate Hillier bap. 17 Oct 1875, Burbage, Wiltshire, England, d. 29 May 1876 > |----2-Flora Kate Hillier b. 6 Apr 1877, bap. 14 Oct 1877, Burbage, Wiltshire, England, d. 7 Jan 1878 > |----2-Mary Maria Hillier bap. 13 Apr 1879, Burbage, Wiltshire, England > |----2-Florence K. Hillier bap. 5 Jun 1881, Burbage, Wiltshire, England > |----2-Lily Hillier b. 12 Nov 1885, Pewsey, Wiltshire, England, d. 10 Sep 1914 > |----2-Dora E. Hillier bap. 13 Oct 1889, Burbage, Wiltshire, England > > > Regards, > > James > > Robert Sterry wrote: > > >Well guys, you've certainly been making the dust fly over the past couple of weeks. I must admit I'm thoroughly enjoying the discussion. However, I only > >found time today to actually catch up with it properly. You're certainly clearing up a few queries. I wish I could add something to the debate but I > >believe you've take it about as far as it will stretch with the available data. > > > >I had a bit of a play around with those John Lovelocks - why is it always John Lovelocks that seem to cause all the problems [sorry John ;-) ] - born > >about 1840. But there were too many to sort them out - and many of them haven't even been entered yet into the Lieflock tree yet! I went looking for > >the possible baptisms of the John Lovelock who married Elizabeth Bromham at Wootton Rivers in 1765. > > > >Possibilities included: > >1743 Ethilhampton > >1739 Ramsbury [now that one's familiar! ;-) ] > >1736 Tidcombe X2 > >1740 Wootton Rivers (the most likely I guess) > >1744 Wroughton > >1739 Easton Royal > > > >In fact the only one of these I have entered into the Lieflock tree is the one for Easton Royal! So much work still to do! > > > >In the meantime, I wonder if I could get from either of you - when you finally agree on it - all the offspring of Henry Hillier and Elizabeth > >Lovelock and the line of descent of Ken Gigg from, I believe, Elizabeth Lovelock and Edwin Waters. > > > >Keep up the great work gentlemen. Looking forward to your next instalment. > > > >Robert

James Loveluck wrote: > Flora LOVELOCKE M 26 F Easton, Wiltshire, England > Rel: Daur In Law > Occ: (Engineers Wife) > Frederick W. LOVELOCKE 2 M Hungerford, Berkshire, England > Rel: Grandson > Walter J. LOVELOCKE 10 m M Hungerford, Berkshire, England > Rel: Grandson > > Flora was presumably the wife of one of the other children of James & > Honor L, not present at the time. since the children were born > Hungerford Berks, I looked in the "Lovelocks in Berkshire" file and > found the following marriage: > > 1877 Dec 25 William Lovelock married Flora Stagg > > but not the baptisms of Frederick or Walter. If I hadn't had my nose so close to the grindestone I would have seen that Graham had already noticed Flora and her two children. He also found this family (together with husband and two additional children) in the 1891 census for Hungerford. However, we do now have the surname (Stagg) for Flora. James

Hello again, [Message already sent to Robert and Graham, but maybe others on the list are interested.] Concerning comment (fff), Graham's notes referred back to comment (e), which included details of PRO reords for the children of Charles L (1848 - 1923) son of James L (1826-1897) and Honor Gigg. However, it also referred to the 1881 census record for James L and Honor Gigg and I took a more detailed look at this. One finds James and Honor with 4 of their 11 children (Richard, John, James and Ellen) still living with them. However, the bit that interested me was that there was in addition: Flora LOVELOCKE M 26 F Easton, Wiltshire, England Rel: Daur In Law Occ: (Engineers Wife) Frederick W. LOVELOCKE 2 M Hungerford, Berkshire, England Rel: Grandson Walter J. LOVELOCKE 10 m M Hungerford, Berkshire, England Rel: Grandson Flora was presumably the wife of one of the other children of James & Honor L, not present at the time. since the children were born Hungerford Berks, I looked in the "Lovelocks in Berkshire" file and found the following marriage: 1877 Dec 25 William Lovelock married Flora Stagg but not the baptisms of Frederick or Walter. So I assume that it was the 5th child of James & Honor L, William John L bap 18 Jun 1855, who married Flora Stagg. Unless you see a hole in this, I propose to enter this marriage and the two children. Regards, James

Hello List, Passing on following. Hi Folks, The waiting is over..the 1861GLAMORGAN is here, you can get your copy as detailed below, those of you who advance ordered, watch your post boxes in the next few days. There is still a VAT advantage for UK and EC residents when they buy directly from us and not via the on line service. Cost is 20UKP inclusive of postage wherever you are. By Post please write to: Glamorgan FHS Publications, 1 Dyfed House, Glenside Court Ty Gwyn Road Penylan Cardiff CF23 5JS enclosing a cheque for 20UKP payable to "Glamorgan FHS" No Personal Callers please On Line: From www.ffhs.co.uk (please allow a few days for the site to be updated, the merger with Genfair is under way at present) In Person: From the Aberkenfig Resource Centre, Heol Persondy, Aberkenfig. Open on Wednesdays between 10.30 and 15.30 At any branch meeting- see our website for dates and venues. www.glamfhs.org At any open day or FH fair where we are represented: see www.glamfhs.org Also I am looking for information on decedents of Catherine Loveluck b.1841.Margam who was married too Morgan Maddock. Best Regards Allen in Aberavon

Hello all, Graham may have already mentioned it, but you missed at least one John Lovelock from your list - the progenitor of Fragment 10 (Graham's maternal line - I think there may be other list members connected to this line; please shout out!) John Lovelock b Abt. 1740, mar Elizabeth Cruse, Tidcombe Wilts 18 May 1761. Here is what I have in my database for the descendent tree for Elizabeth L and Edwin Waters (Ken Gigg's branch): 1-Edwin Waters b. 19 Oct 1846, Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England, d. 22 Dec 1915, Chisbury, Wilts., England +Elizabeth Lovelock b. 21 Sep 1846, Pewsey, Wiltshire, England, bap. 19 Oct 1846, Savernake, Wilts., England, m.: 11 Dec 1876, Savernake, Wilts., England, par. David Lovelock and Martha Yeates |----2-William Waters b. Abt 1878, Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England |----2-John Waters b. Abt 1880, Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England |----2-Martha Waters b. 10 Jun 1885, Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England, d. 4 |---- Sep 1945, Marlborough, Wiltshire, England +Albert Edward Gigg b. 26 Dec 1879, Great Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England, d. 20 Jun 1953, Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England, m.: 30 May 1905, Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England, par. Henry William Gigg and Mary Johnson |----3-Henry Edwin Gigg b. 19 Jan 1908, Great Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England, |---- d. 19 Jul 1983, Southampton, Hants., England +Irene Kate Dunn , par. William Charles Dunn and Kate Hicks |----4-Kenneth Arthur Gigg +Elsie May Barrett And here is the family of Henry Hillier and Elizabeth L: 1-Henry Hillier b. Abt 1845 +Elizabeth Lovelock b. 8 Jun 1848, District Of Great Bedwyn, Sub-District Of Hungerford, bap. 14 Jul 1848, East Grafton, Wiltshire, England, d. 10 Jan 1915, m.: 1 Feb 1868, East Grafton, Wiltshire, England, par. Daniel Lovelock and Ann Chouls |----2-William Albert Hillier bap. 29 May 1870, Burbage, Wiltshire, England, d. |---- 10 Dec 1878 |----2-Kate Hillier bap. 17 Oct 1875, Burbage, Wiltshire, England, d. 29 May |---- 1876 |----2-Flora Kate Hillier b. 6 Apr 1877, bap. 14 Oct 1877, Burbage, Wiltshire, |---- England, d. 7 Jan 1878 |----2-Mary Maria Hillier bap. 13 Apr 1879, Burbage, Wiltshire, England |----2-Florence K. Hillier bap. 5 Jun 1881, Burbage, Wiltshire, England |----2-Lily Hillier b. 12 Nov 1885, Pewsey, Wiltshire, England, d. 10 Sep 1914 |----2-Dora E. Hillier bap. 13 Oct 1889, Burbage, Wiltshire, England Regards, James Robert Sterry wrote: >Well guys, you've certainly been making the dust fly over the past couple of >weeks. I must admit I'm thoroughly enjoying the discussion. However, I only >found time today to actually catch up with it properly. You're certainly >clearing up a few queries. I wish I could add something to the debate but I >believe you've take it about as far as it will stretch with the available >data. > >I had a bit of a play around with those John Lovelocks - why is it always >John Lovelocks that seem to cause all the problems [sorry John ;-) ] - born >about 1840. But there were too many to sort them out - and many of them >haven't even been entered yet into the Lieflock tree yet! I went looking for >the possible baptisms of the John Lovelock who married Elizabeth Bromham at >Wootton Rivers in 1765. > >Possibilities included: >1743 Ethilhampton >1739 Ramsbury [now that one's familiar! ;-) ] >1736 Tidcombe X2 >1740 Wootton Rivers (the most likely I guess) >1744 Wroughton >1739 Easton Royal > >In fact the only one of these I have entered into the Lieflock tree is the >one for Easton Royal! So much work still to do! > >In the meantime, I wonder if I could get from either of you - when you >finally agree on it - all the offspring of Henry Hillier and Elizabeth >Lovelock and the line of descent of Ken Gigg from, I believe, Elizabeth >Lovelock and Edwin Waters. > >Keep up the great work gentlemen. Looking forward to your next instalment. > >Robert > > >

Hi James & Listers I thought I would give you a report on progress. A Planning Group has been formed currently consisting of myself, Janet & Jeremy Lovelock and Graham Lovelock. Our first meeting will be held in Bristol on the 15th May. Prior to our meeting I will circulate some notes for comment by Listers. The following Listers ( & relations ) have to date expressed an interest in the event and many will attend if practicable: Australia Colin P Borrot-Maloney - Queensland Jennifer Mahoney - Adelaide Jan Morgan (nee Lovelock) - Melbourne Robert Sterry - New South Wales England Lucy Betschwar - Kidderminster Worcestershire John Dixon - Bromley Kent Jean Gilmore - Tooting South London Paul Griffin - North West Surrey Jayne Hill (nee Lovelock) - ? Daphne King - Lincolnshire Graham Lovelock - Yate Gloucestershire Jayne Lovelock - Loughborough Leicestershire John Lovelock - Hedgerley Buckinghamshire Yann Lovelock - ? Keith Taylor - St Albans Hertfordshire Alison & Professor Mike Turner Hull Yorkshire Paul Whitaker - Derby Derbyshire Margaret Yann - Birmingham France James Loveluck - Grenoble New Zealand Patsie Burrows - ? John (Jack) Lovelock -? Maureen ( Louise ) Gaffey - Wellington USA Delores Allhands - Illinois Lisa Michael - Lancaster PA W Robert Chapman & Mary R Lovelock - Newington CT Wales Isabel Lovelock - Swansea South Wales Janet & Jeremy Lovelock - Milo Carmarthenshire South Wales Malcolm Lovelock - North Wales Best Wishes John Lovelock Hedgerley Buckinghamshire

Hello everyone, I am descended from Richard Lovelock b Shipton Moyne, Gloucstershire c 1750, m Mary White Hankerton 1777. Then through Thomas and John of Shipton Moyne to William Arthur, moved to Derby c 1880, and his daughter Nellie, my grandmother. Is there anyone else out there who is researching this line? I wuold like to hear from you if you are. I think I have heard from some subscribers already, but not through this list Paul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com

Hello, A message was posted on the NWKFHS site the other day suggesting the following new web site may be of interest i.e. www.oldbaileyonline.org/ had a short browse this afternoon and find that there was a John Lovelock living in Wapping, London who was sentenced to transportation. Thought this may be of interest to somebody, it may also of course be useful in finding other "blacksheep". Keith Taylor

> > >Hi > Just to say that like many others, I have been watching this list for some time and am impressed by the amount of information being posted. I am only on the fringes of the Lovelock family and cannot add anything to that already seen. Paul Griffin North West Surrey England > --------------------------------------------- > >I fully appreciate the reluctance of listers to include full postal address >but simply including Town/City/Country enables readers to get a picture of >our worldwide network and may ( as we have discovered in NZ ) enable local >networks to develop. > > > >Best Wishes > > > >John Lovelock > >Hedgerley > >Buckinghamshire > >United Kingdom > >__ >

Hello As I've probably said before, this Lovelock site is just great and by far the most active of all my "families". Thanks to everyone concerned. Regards. Patsie New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lovelock" <John.Lovelock2@Halliburton.com> To: <LOVELOCK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 7:05 AM Subject: The Wonderful World of Lovelocks > Well my suggestion of a Lovelock/Loveluck Gathering has really opened the > floodgates! > > > > My thanks to everyone who has responded to date. > > > > A couple of UK based Lovelock Family History Researchers have offered to > help me with the logistics and a planning meeting will hopefully be held in > April. > > > > One of the exciting developments from my mailing is the networking of New > Zealand Lovelock researchers. > > > > E mail addresses do not always indicate the country of origin. May I > therefore suggest that future postings to the List include a brief address. > I know that Allen ( in Aberavon ) and James ( in Grenoble ) already do this. > > > > I fully appreciate the reluctance of listers to include full postal address > but simply including Town/City/Country enables readers to get a picture of > our worldwide network and may ( as we have discovered in NZ ) enable local > networks to develop. > > > > Best Wishes > > > > John Lovelock > > Hedgerley > > Buckinghamshire > > United Kingdom > > > > ==== LOVELOCK Mailing List ==== > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Well my suggestion of a Lovelock/Loveluck Gathering has really opened the floodgates! My thanks to everyone who has responded to date. A couple of UK based Lovelock Family History Researchers have offered to help me with the logistics and a planning meeting will hopefully be held in April. One of the exciting developments from my mailing is the networking of New Zealand Lovelock researchers. E mail addresses do not always indicate the country of origin. May I therefore suggest that future postings to the List include a brief address. I know that Allen ( in Aberavon ) and James ( in Grenoble ) already do this. I fully appreciate the reluctance of listers to include full postal address but simply including Town/City/Country enables readers to get a picture of our worldwide network and may ( as we have discovered in NZ ) enable local networks to develop. Best Wishes John Lovelock Hedgerley Buckinghamshire United Kingdom

Hello John and Maureen Another descendant in New Zealand but down maternal side so no actual Lovelock name for some time. Our line is: Sarah LOVELOCK (born Gt Bedwyn,1817) and married to Samuel WAITE. Sarah was the daughter of William LOVELOCK and Elizabeth HOOPER. Nice to know you're here too. Kind regards. Patsie Burrows ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Louise" <yuffiebug@yahoo.co.nz> To: <LOVELOCK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:06 AM Subject: Re: John (Jack) Lovelock, New Zealand.. > Hi John.. > > Whereabouts in New Zealand do you live, and what Lovelock line are you descended from..(just > being nosy)..I didn't realise there was another Lovelock List member living here. > > Regards > Maureen > Wellington > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > - Exchange IMs with Messenger friends on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile phone. > > > ==== LOVELOCK Mailing List ==== > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >