Hi John Here is a list of the Lovelocks in Cornwall as of 2001 electoral roll : 1. FRANCO LOVELOCK 87 TREVITHICK TREVITHICK ESTATE ST. MERRYN PADSTOW CORNWALL PL288NN 2. TRACY A LOVELOCK 13 DANIELL ROAD TRURO CORNWALL TR1 2BZ 3. JOHN L LOVELOCK 6 FORE STREET LOSTWITHIEL CORNWALL PL220BP 4. MARY P LOVELOCK 6 FORE STREET LOSTWITHIEL CORNWALL PL220BP 5. SAMANTHA J LOVELOCK VICTORIA HOUSE EAST STREET NEWQUAY CORNWALL TR7 1EE 6. JULIE L LOVELOCK THE ANNEXE 26 HEADLAND ROAD NEWQUAY CORNWALL TR7 1HN 7. EMMA K LOVELOCK MILLADON FM TRERULEFOOT SALTASH CORNWALL PL125BU 8. PATRICIA D LOVELOCK 2 TREWEESE ROAD QUETHIOCK LISKEARD CORNWALL PL143SW 9. MATTHEW J LOVELOCK TOWN PLACE ST. NEOT LISKEARD CORNWALL PL146NR 10. RICHARD J LOVELOCK 28 STEPHENS ROAD LISKEARD CORNWALL PL143SX 11. SUSAN C LOVELOCK 28 STEPHENS ROAD LISKEARD CORNWALL PL143SX 12. ETHEL M LOVELOCK ROSE COTTAGE PONSONGATH COVERACK HELSTON CORNWALL TR126SQ 13. JOYCE M LOVELOCK 16 TRENETHICK AVENUE HELSTON CORNWALL TR138LU 14. JEREMY O LOVELOCK 5 BELMONT ROAD HELSTON CORNWALL TR138UA 15. PATINA V LOVELOCK 5 BELMONT ROAD HELSTON CORNWALL TR138UA 16. LEONARD G LOVELOCK 80 FORE STREET PRAZE CAMBORNE CORNWALL TR140JU 17. PAULINE LOVELOCK 80 FORE STREET PRAZE CAMBORNE CORNWALL TR140JU 18. CAROL LOVELOCK THE KLOOF TRESAVEAN LANNER REDRUTH CORNWALL TR166JW 19. RICHARD G LOVELOCK THE KLOOF TRESAVEAN LANNER REDRUTH CORNWALL TR166JW 20. LINDA J LOVELOCK 22 BARRIPPER ROAD CAMBORNE CORNWALL TR147QW 21. STEPHEN E LOVELOCK 22 BARRIPPER ROAD CAMBORNE CORNWALL TR147QW 22. JAMES E LOVELOCK COOMBE MILL ST. GILES-ON-THE-HEATH LAUNCESTON CORNWALL PL159RY 23. JOHN C LOVELOCK COOMBE MILL ST. GILES-ON-THE-HEATH LAUNCESTON CORNWALL PL159RY 24. PHILLIP D LOVELOCK MILLADON FM TRERULEFOOT SALTASH CORNWALL PL125BU 25. ETHEL M LOVELOCK ROSE COTTAGE GWENTER ROAD COVERACK HELSTON CORNWALL TR126SJ In general, Tracys and Samanthas tend to be too young to know much about Family History , while Ethels are getting on a bit -they may know a lot , but dont have Email. A compromise is to contact Lindas-who are invariably my age (58) . Have fun ! By the way -isnt it time you Lovelocks organised (i) a ONe Name Study with GOONS (ii) a y chromasome DNA study with Professor Sykes of Oxford ancestors ? Steve Tanner , in sunny Carmarthen Wales

Hello all, You will have seen on my last message that I've now used up all my available credit for 1837online. I did have one success - finding the marriage of Sarah Bowell's gg grandmother Jane Lovelock to Eli Partridge, but I wasn't able to satisfy the other requests, mainly because the range of dates was too wide. I did save all the page images involving Lovelocks (except for one page which I inadvertently forgot to save) and as soon as I find some time I'l transcribe them and send the transcripts to Malcolm and Robert for inclusion in the master Lovelock PRO BMD file. Malcolm, Robert, which would be the most suitable format for providing thes extracts? James

Hello Allen, It was a good idea to look for the 2nd marriage of DE Marendaz, which has been eluding us. Unfortunatley, I din't manage to find it, and I've now used up all my credit! I searched the period from 3Q 1837 (earliest PRO records) to 4Q42, so at least I've eliminated this period. There were no images available for 2Q and 4Q 1841. Maybe he got married again soon after the death of his first wife in July 1836. Another possibility is that the Marendaz name was mis-spelled (wouldn't be the first time!) Regards, James a.blethyn@ntlworld.com wrote: >From: LOVELOCK-D-request@rootsweb.com >Date: 2003/06/27 Fri PM 02:02:06 GMT >To: LOVELOCK-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: LOVELOCK-D Digest V03 #59 > >LOVELOCK-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 59 > >Today's Topics: > #1 BMD lookups [James Loveluck <james.loveluck@num] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from LOVELOCK-D, send a message to > > LOVELOCK-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >To contact the LOVELOCK-D list administrator, send mail to >LOVELOCK-admin@rootsweb.com. > >______________________________ >Hello all, > >I have quite a bit of credit at the 1837online Web site, which has >images of the complete PRO indexes from 1837 to 2001. I have to use this >credit before the end of the month (next Monday!), and I don't have any >more obvious need myself, so if anyone needs a PRO lookup please let me >know as soon as possible (priority given to Lovelocks of course!). > >Previously the search results for earlier years were indexed only on the >first letter of the surname, so one was often faced with having to pick >from dozens of possible pages. However, the data has now been re-indexed >and re-scanned and its much easier (and less costly!) to find the >results one needs. > >Please don't hesitate to send your lookup request! > >Regards, > >James > >Hello James, >Being as you offered try to find 2nd wife Catherine for David Emanuel Marendaz, as you know not a Loveluck, but near enough for us. > > > > >Allen in Aberavon > > > >

From: LOVELOCK-D-request@rootsweb.com Date: 2003/06/27 Fri PM 02:02:06 GMT To: LOVELOCK-D@rootsweb.com Subject: LOVELOCK-D Digest V03 #59 LOVELOCK-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 59 Today's Topics: #1 BMD lookups [James Loveluck <james.loveluck@num] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from LOVELOCK-D, send a message to LOVELOCK-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. To contact the LOVELOCK-D list administrator, send mail to LOVELOCK-admin@rootsweb.com. ______________________________ Hello all, I have quite a bit of credit at the 1837online Web site, which has images of the complete PRO indexes from 1837 to 2001. I have to use this credit before the end of the month (next Monday!), and I don't have any more obvious need myself, so if anyone needs a PRO lookup please let me know as soon as possible (priority given to Lovelocks of course!). Previously the search results for earlier years were indexed only on the first letter of the surname, so one was often faced with having to pick from dozens of possible pages. However, the data has now been re-indexed and re-scanned and its much easier (and less costly!) to find the results one needs. Please don't hesitate to send your lookup request! Regards, James Hello James, Being as you offered try to find 2nd wife Catherine for David Emanuel Marendaz, as you know not a Loveluck, but near enough for us. Allen in Aberavon

Hello all, I have quite a bit of credit at the 1837online Web site, which has images of the complete PRO indexes from 1837 to 2001. I have to use this credit before the end of the month (next Monday!), and I don't have any more obvious need myself, so if anyone needs a PRO lookup please let me know as soon as possible (priority given to Lovelocks of course!). Previously the search results for earlier years were indexed only on the first letter of the surname, so one was often faced with having to pick from dozens of possible pages. However, the data has now been re-indexed and re-scanned and its much easier (and less costly!) to find the results one needs. Please don't hesitate to send your lookup request! Regards, James

Hello John, Well this is certainly an interesting connection - your announcement in the Newbury News is turning out to be very fruitful! Its unfortunate that James Lovelock doesn't give quite enough information to track down his Lovelock branch, or at least not in the letter which you forwarded. It would be nice to have a least the first name of his father, and perferably his place of birth. In fact, I have some credit left at 1837online, so I did a lookup for Lovelock births in 1919, and found the corresponding record in the 3rd quarter, for Hitchin RD, vol. 3a, page 1145. Perhaps you could suggest to James that he take a look at the Lovelock Web site, and that he browse around to see if he can find any likely ancestors! I'd be more than happy to help him out! John Lovelock wrote: >Dear James > >I received a fascinating letter from James Lovelock (from his home in >Cornwall) on Friday and e mailed him requesting his permission to >circulate the contents of his letter to The List. James has since given >me permission to share his genealogy and I therefore reproduce his >letter in full below: > >" Dear John Lovelock 17 June >2003 > >A friend who lives in Newbury passed on your announcement in the Newbury >News about a reunion of the Lovelock families. Although I am not >personally much interested in genealogy I thought you might like the few >details of my family history for your data base. > >My father's family came from the Latin Down area on the hills above >Wantage, nearest village Farnborough.Grandfather worked at the >Brickworks owned by the Lousley family. Father, born 1872 died 1956, was >one of 13 children. He moved to Brixton London in his teen age. I was >born at Letchworth Garden City, my mother's home, in 1919. > >As a child I remember an Uncle Fred Lovelock, who also lived in Brixton, >and an aunt Lilly who lived in Didcot and was married to a Herman. There >were also cousins living in Portsmouth. My father's sister Clara lived >close by and she was married to Frank Guichard. > >The only other point of interest is that there is some evidence of Inuit >(Baffin Island) ancestry in my father's family. In my case the Blood >Group Laboratory of Boston USA were prepared to say the odds were over a >million to one that my ancestry included an Inuit. > >I hope that this information is helpful, if not just transfer it to the >bin. > >With all best wishes > >>From James Lovelock CH CBE CChem FRS " > > >Best Wishes > >John Lovelock >Hedgerley >Buckinghamshire >England > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: James Loveluck [mailto:james.loveluck@numericable.fr] >Sent: 06 January 2003 17:24 >To: John Lovelock >Cc: LOVELOCK-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: New Year Honours > > >Thanks to John and Michael for keeping a sharp eye on the New Year >Honours! Even though James E. Lovelock is well known, in family history >terms he remains a bit of a mystery. Does anyone know of a connection >with other Lovelock branches? > >Regards, > >James > >John Lovelock wrote: > > > >>Happy New Year Lovelock Listers. >> >>Spotted in The Times Tuesday 31st December 2002: >> >>ORDER OF THE COMPANIONS OF HONOUR >> >>James Ephraim Lovelock >> >>Scientist, inventor and author, services to global environmental >> >> >science. > > >>Best Wishes >> >>John Lovelock >> >> >> >> >>==== LOVELOCK Mailing List ==== >>Lovelock family history Web pages: >>http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ >> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >> >> >records, go to: > > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >==== LOVELOCK Mailing List ==== >Lovelock family history Web pages: >http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

Dear James I received a fascinating letter from James Lovelock (from his home in Cornwall) on Friday and e mailed him requesting his permission to circulate the contents of his letter to The List. James has since given me permission to share his genealogy and I therefore reproduce his letter in full below: " Dear John Lovelock 17 June 2003 A friend who lives in Newbury passed on your announcement in the Newbury News about a reunion of the Lovelock families. Although I am not personally much interested in genealogy I thought you might like the few details of my family history for your data base. My father's family came from the Latin Down area on the hills above Wantage, nearest village Farnborough.Grandfather worked at the Brickworks owned by the Lousley family. Father, born 1872 died 1956, was one of 13 children. He moved to Brixton London in his teen age. I was born at Letchworth Garden City, my mother's home, in 1919. As a child I remember an Uncle Fred Lovelock, who also lived in Brixton, and an aunt Lilly who lived in Didcot and was married to a Herman. There were also cousins living in Portsmouth. My father's sister Clara lived close by and she was married to Frank Guichard. The only other point of interest is that there is some evidence of Inuit (Baffin Island) ancestry in my father's family. In my case the Blood Group Laboratory of Boston USA were prepared to say the odds were over a million to one that my ancestry included an Inuit. I hope that this information is helpful, if not just transfer it to the bin. With all best wishes From James Lovelock CH CBE CChem FRS " Best Wishes John Lovelock Hedgerley Buckinghamshire England -----Original Message----- From: James Loveluck [mailto:james.loveluck@numericable.fr] Sent: 06 January 2003 17:24 To: John Lovelock Cc: LOVELOCK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: New Year Honours Thanks to John and Michael for keeping a sharp eye on the New Year Honours! Even though James E. Lovelock is well known, in family history terms he remains a bit of a mystery. Does anyone know of a connection with other Lovelock branches? Regards, James John Lovelock wrote: >Happy New Year Lovelock Listers. > >Spotted in The Times Tuesday 31st December 2002: > >ORDER OF THE COMPANIONS OF HONOUR > >James Ephraim Lovelock > >Scientist, inventor and author, services to global environmental science. > >Best Wishes > >John Lovelock > > > > >==== LOVELOCK Mailing List ==== >Lovelock family history Web pages: >http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

Since the list has been a bit quiet recently, I thought I'd take the opportunity to thank the Lovelock Gathering Planning Group for their efforts! Fixing the date and place for the gathering were obviously the most important decisions, since now everyone will be able to mark the event in their calendars! Thanks again to John, Graham, Jeremy and Janet Regards to all, James John Lovelock wrote: >The Planning Group met for the first time in Bristol last Thursday and >decided to hold the event in Hungerford Berkshire England on Saturday 12th >June 2004. > > > >The Title? As we spend a lot of time searching for ancestors it will be a >real pleasure to meet living relatives! > > > >The group ( see below ) will meet again ( in Hungerford ) on the 11th July >and more details of the event will follow. > > > >Graham Lovelock - Gloucestershire England UK - Excursion(s) > >Janet & Jeremy Lovelock - Carmarthenshire South Wales UK - Bookings > >John Lovelock - Buckinghamshire England UK - Event Co-ordinator & Publicity > > > >Best Wishes > > > >John Lovelock > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== LOVELOCK Mailing List ==== >Lovelock family history Web pages: >http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

I visited the Surrey History Centre in Woking on Saturday in search of my ( much travelled ) Great Grandfather George William Lovelock in the 1891 Census. Family Folklore says that he grew up in Frimley Surrey. Alas no sign of the family but I did find some Lovelocks in the 1885 and 1891 Electoral Registers that might be of help to someone: 1885 James Lovelock Weybridge Road Addlestone Stephen Lovelock Church Road Weybridge 1891 Edward Lovelock Victoria Road Addlestone James Lovelock Victoria Road Addlestone William Lovelock Ecton Road Addlestone Best Wishes John Lovelock Hedgerley Buckinghamshire UK

The Planning Group met for the first time in Bristol last Thursday and decided to hold the event in Hungerford Berkshire England on Saturday 12th June 2004. The Title? As we spend a lot of time searching for ancestors it will be a real pleasure to meet living relatives! The group ( see below ) will meet again ( in Hungerford ) on the 11th July and more details of the event will follow. Graham Lovelock - Gloucestershire England UK - Excursion(s) Janet & Jeremy Lovelock - Carmarthenshire South Wales UK - Bookings John Lovelock - Buckinghamshire England UK - Event Co-ordinator & Publicity Best Wishes John Lovelock

Its pleasing to learn that the planning meeting for the proposed Lovelock gathering will be taking place soon, and the discussion document seems to indicate that the Planning Group have got things under control! I just have one suggestion for an addition to the "aims and objectives" which is that we might like to spend some time discussing efforts to link up the different Lovelock lines. Since wedon't expect to hold the gathering before May 2004, we may have made some progress in this area in the meantime. Many thanks once again to the members of the Planning Group for putting in the effort to drive this forward! James

Hello, I am a new member to the list, but may have corresponded with some listers over the years. (special greetings to Robert Sperry). I was most efficiently mailed on the up-coming reunion in Bristol. However, as I am in western Canada and returned from UK only four months ago, I will not be able to be there. I would be most grateful if anyone can shed light on my ancestor, Thomas Lovelock. My gt.gt grandmother was Jane Lovelock, daughter of Thomas Lovelock, mason. She married (1) Francis BURLAND at Christchurch Greyfriars in 1837 and (2) Peter HERBERT at the same church in 1850. When her first husband died in Hoxton, Shoreditch, in 1844, the informant was Thomas Lovelock "a friend" ( but more likely his father in law?). The above I know from copies of certificates I have. Can anyone confirm or correct my suppositions that:- 1. Thomas Lovelock was the same who married Anne HEAVENS at Christchurch Greyfriars in 1814. Was this the same couple who witnessed the marriage of John Lovelock to Hannah BLAY in 1816 at the same church? 2. Was Jane the daughter of Thomas and Anne (née HEAVENS) baptized at St. Giles Cripplegate in November 1815? 3. Was this Thomas Lovelock the same of that name, baptized 1786 at St. Andrew's Holborn, son of Edward and Elizabeth Lovelock, who lived in Leather Lane? According to the St Andrew's PR a couple of this name moved to Clerkenwell, but had two more children baptized at St. Andrew's in 1791 and 1794. There were at least two other couples having children at the same time in St. Andrew's parish. Charles and Eleanor Lovelock, of Tash Street, and Joseph and Mary Lovelock of Saffron Hill. Also, in 1801, a couple, Joseph and Ann Lovelock, also lived in Leather Lane. I hope someone out there can help. With thanks. Clare Westbury

The first planning meeting is being held in Bristol (UK) on Thursday 15th May. Before Graham, Janet, Jeremy and I meet we would be grateful to receive any views/advice from Lovelock Listers. A Discussion Document follows which sets out the areas that the Planning Group will consider at this meeting and I look forward to receiving your comments. Best Wishes John Lovelock Hedgerley Buckinghamshire LOVELOCK GATHERING Discussion document for Lovelock Listers Aims & Objectives To provide: * an opportunity to meet other Lovelock Family History researchers ( and distant relatives ) * a forum for exchanging research findings and ideas for further research * an opportunity to visit places associated with early Lovelock families * an opportunity for local research Timing The event will require at least one year to organise so May 2004 would be the earliest feasible date and would also enable overseas researchers adequate time to arrange travel arrangements. Location Research indicates that the early Lovelock families lived in Wiltshire and West Berkshire so a Town or Village in one of these Counties would be best. Good access by public transport is essential. Duration Some reunions are held in one day but I am of the opinion that a weekend would be more beneficial particularly as this is the first event. Venue Some reunions are held in Village and Community Halls with delegates staying in local hotels and guest houses. However if the event is held over a weekend it would in my opinion be more practical to stay at a hotel with meeting facilities. Potential attendance Approximately 40 people have subscribed to the List and about 25 have expressed an interest in attending. These numbers could expand if partners and other family members attend. Publicity may expand these numbers even further. Accounting arrangements Prior to the event costs will be incurred by the organisers in reserving accommodation, coach hire, advertising etc. The event will therefore need careful budgeting and deposits will be required from attendees to meet these initial costs. It may be necessary to open a special bank account and appoint one of the organisers to act as treasurer. Booking arrangements To maintain control it would be better for one of the organising group to handle bookings rather than bookings being sent direct to the Hotel. Publicity The event can be publicised using: * the Lovelock List * Rootsweb Events Listings * advertisements in Family History Magazines * advertisements/articles in local/regional newspapers Programme The programme for the weekend could include: * Presentations * Displays * Coach Excursion * Dinner * Guest Speaker(s) Organising Committee The following Lovelock researchers have volunteered to arrange the event: Graham Lovelock - Gloucestershire England UK Janet & Jeremy Lovelock - Carmarthenshire South Wales UK John Lovelock - Buckinghamshire England UK

Hello all, I had an enquiry from someone looking for a John Lovelock b. abt 1864, Wiltshire, who marr. Alice Elizabeth Norris at Highworth, Wilts., 5 Mar 1887. John L's father was Richard Lovelock. I'm wondering whether this could be John Lovelock b. abt 1864 son of Richard John Lovelock (b. 1842, Hullavington, Wilts., bap 12 Jun 1842 Lyneham Wilts) and Elizabeth. This is part of the "Lyneham Lovelock line" which some of us studied a few months ago. In particular Catherine Lovelock provided a lot of information on this line. Are you still around Catherine? James

Hello all, I have exchanged email with a Kevin Robinson, who is not a member of the list, concerning Lovelocks from Bishops Cannings. You'll find Kevin's Bishops Cannings Lovelock fragment below (reproduced with his permission) His data is quite similar to that already in the Lovelock gedcom file, but differed in the following ways: 1. Although I had the marriage of John Lovelock to Sarah Chivers on 31 Dec 1786 BC, I hadn't identified this John as the same one that married Joanna Willis previously. I agree that this is quite plausible since John's first wife, Jane, died 1785. 2. I didn't have the marriage of George Hillier (b 1805) to Lucy Nash, and their children. 3. Concerning John Lovelock (b.1839, son of Stephen Lovelock and Sarah Hiller), Kevin has the first son for John and Sarah Ann Grant as George Lovelock b. 1867 Horton. I didn't have this son of John and Sarah Ann. 4. However, I did have three additional children of this same John and Sarah Ann: Ann, bap. 24 Dec 1865, Bishops Cannings Eliza, bap. 21 Mar 1870, Bishops Cannings Thomas, bap 25 Dec 1876, Bishops Cannings (Source: IGI) [The Thomas above must have died as an infant, since there was another child Thomas, which Kevin has b. 1879, I have him bap. 29 Sep 1878] 5. I have Jane Lovelock, dau of John Lovelock and Sarah Chivers, bap 20 Feb 1788, whereas Kevin has her bap 20 Jan 1788. [Kevin since agreed that this was an error on his part] 6 I have Ann Lovelock (bap 11 Apr 1790), 2nd dau of John Lovelock and Sarah Chivers married to Stephen Watts, 23 Feb 1851, Bishops Cannings Kevin also specified sources for some of his data, which include the "Joseph Henry Parry transcript of the Bishops Canning resisters which cover 1591 - 1812". Unless anyone sees any issues, I'll align my data with Kevin's for this fragment. James ------- Descendants of Thomas Lovelock 1 Thomas Lovelock d: 1784 Burial: 22 March 1784 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire +Jane Baily m: 14 October 1744 in Southbroom St James, Wiltshire d: 1766 Burial: 8 August 1766 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire _ 2 Priscilla Lovelock b: 1745 Baptised: 12 April 1745 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire _ 2 John Lovelock b: 1746 Baptised: 1 November 1746 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire ___ +Joanna Willis m: 20 April 1772 in Bishops Canning, Wiltshire d: 1785 Burial: 29 October 1785 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire _____ 3 Sarah Lovelock b: 1772 Baptised: 13 December 1772 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire d: 1773 Burial: 17 February 1773 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire _____ 3 Betty Lovelock b: 1774 Baptised: 1 May 1774 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire _____ 3 Sarah Lovelock b: 1776 Baptised: 8 December 1776 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire _______ +John Hillier m: 30 December 1799 in Bishops Canning, Wiltshire ________ 4 Susanna Hillier b: 1802 Baptised: 14 February 1802 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire ________ 4 Stephen Hillier b: 1803 Baptised: 13 November 1803 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire ________ 4 George Hillier b: 1805 in Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire Baptised: 3 February 1805 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire Occupation: 1851 Agricultural Labourer __________ +Lucy Nash aka: Naish b: 1808 in Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire Baptised: 7 February 1808 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire m: 17 March 1832 in Bishops Canning, Wiltshire Father: Ralph Nash Mother: Sarah Hillier ____________ 5 Leah Hillier b: 1833 in Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire Baptised: 29 September 1833 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire ____________ 5 Martha Hillier b: 1835 in Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire Baptised: 7 June 1835 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire ______________ +John Williams b: 1845 in Orcheston, Wiltshire m: 21 January 1865 in Bishops Canning, Wiltshire Occupation: 1881 Head Shepherd Father: Edward Williams Mother: Elizabeth ________________ 6 Harry Williams b: 1866 in Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire Occupation: 1881 Under Shepherd ________________ 6 Herbert Williams b: 1870 in Orcheston, Wiltshire Occupation: 1881 Under Shepherd ________________ 6 Elizabeth Williams b: 1872 in Orcheston, Wiltshire ________ 4 Sarah Hillier b: 1806 Baptised: 27 April 1806 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire d: Bef. 1881 Occupation: 1851 Agricultural Labourer __________ +Stephen Lovelock b: 1806 in Etchilhampton, Wiltshire Baptised: 17 August 1806 Etchilhampton, Wiltshire m: 29 December 1834 in Bishops Canning, Wiltshire Occupation: 1851 Agricultural Labourer Mother: Mary Lovelock ____________ 5 John Lovelock b: 1839 in Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire Baptised: 19 May 1839 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire d: Bef. 1891 Occupation 1: 1851 Agricultural Labourer Occupation 2: 1881 Labourer in Iron Foundry ______________ +Sarah Jane Grant b: 1839 in Allington, Wiltshire m: 27 October 1864 in All Cannings, Wiltshire d: in Still alive on the 1891 census Occupation: 1891 Farm Servant Father: James Grant Mother: Mary ________________ 6 George Lovelock b: 1867 in Horton, Wiltshire Occupation 1: 1881 Agricultural Labourer Occupation 2: 1891 Farm Labourer ________________ 6 Henry Lovelock b: 1871 in Horton, Wiltshire Baptised: 30 April 1871 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire Occupation: 1891 Farm Labourer ________________ 6 John Lovelock b: 1874 in Horton, Wiltshire Baptised: 24 May 1874 All Cannings, Wiltshire ________________ 6 Thomas Lovelock b: 1879 in Horton, Wiltshire Occupation: 1891 Agricultural Labourer ________ 4 Anna Hillier b: 1812 Baptised: 16 February 1812 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire ________ 4 Ann Hillier b: 1816 in Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire Baptised: 2 June 1816 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire ________ 4 Daniel Hillier b: 1806 Baptised: 9 November 1806 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire ________ 4 Michael Hillier b: 1810 Baptised: 4 February 1810 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire _____ 3 Thomas Lovelock b: 1779 Baptised: 6 April 1779 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire _____ 3 Jane Lovelock b: 1785 Baptised: 29 May 1785 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire d: 1786 Burial: 3 September 1786 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshir _ *2nd Wife of John Lovelock: ___ +Sarah Chivers b: 1760 in Calne, Wiltshire Baptised: 15 June 1760 Calne, Wiltshire m: 31 December 1786 in Bishops Canning, Wiltshire Father: Thomas Chivers Mother: Jane _____ 3 Jane Lovelock b: 1788 Baptised: 20 January 1788 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire _____ 3 Ann Lovelock b: 1790 Baptised: 11 April 1790 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire _ 2 Sarah Lovelock b: 1748 Baptised: 12 October 1748 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire _ 2 Thomas Lovelock b: 1750 Baptised: 19 October 1750 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire _ 2 Betty Lovelock b: 1753 Baptism: 6 October 1753 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire _ 2 Daniel Lovelock b: 1757 Baptised: 7 August 1757 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire _ 2 Stephen Lovelock b: 1760 Baptised: 9 April 1760 Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire

Top Tip : keep me out of the archives. Dear All Another one I have uncovered is the challenge Robert set us on 6 November 2000 to determine the identity of the great-grandparents of William Oliver Lovelock. On 16 November 2000 yours truly posted something which he was not sure constituted the sleuthing Robert had requested, but rather might have been the scattering of a few red herrings. I do not recall any further messages on the topic, and again there are no more in the archive string. Anybody else want to take up Robert's challenge? Regards Graham in an unfairly chilly, considering the days of late, but soon to be wet and miserable Yate S Glos England (Apologies for omitting the location essentials on my previous)

Good evening everyone In a desperate attempt to tidy up one or two of the loose ends still contained in The Lieflock Line, despite James' recent herculean efforts, I have delved into the Mailing List archive and uncovered the following from myself. I do not recall any responses, and certainly the archive contains none. Can anybody push this one forward with the benefit of two and a half years of investigations and a few more subscribers to the Mailing List? Regards Graham Subject: A couple of Berkshire baptisms Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:45:50 -0700 Dear All Looking at the Baptism Records from East Challow in Berkshire provided by Helen Norton I notice Daniel and Reuben Lovelock on 17 August 1845 and 3 December 1847 respectively, recorded as the sons of Charles and Susannah. Does anyone have easy access to the 1851 Census Return for East Challow? Is this Charles the son of Thomas and Sarah (nee DUDMAN) baptised at Great Bedwyn on 28 February 1813? The 1841 Census Return for WEST Challow apparently records the family as Charles 29, Susannah 25, Elizabeth 5, George 3, and Sarah 4 months. I have no indication of place of birth of any of them, but the suggestion that Charles was Thomas' son was made to me many, many years ago. I never found him thereafter. It's just possible this could be another Wiltshire/Berkshire link.

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Oops! Of course, I should have known this from the extracts provided by Malcolm and Robert. In fact, even after 1912 there are some records with the spouse missing. My understanding is that the images are identical to the fiches you have access to in Bromley Library. Specifically, on the Web site it is stated that: * From 1837 to 1983 all records are scanned pages of the indexes that are found at the Family Record Centre and also held on microfiche or microfilm by some libraries and family history organisations. * From 1984 to date, all the information is in a database format. I agree that freebmd is preferable, but the 1837online Web site is useful in cases where: the record has not been extracted by freebmd; and one doesn't have access to the fiche at a local library (which is my case!) James John Dixon wrote: >Hi list >James queried why freebmd did not include the spouse's surname. Simple! The indices did not include the name of the spouse until 1912! The indices on fiche at Bromley Lib don't of course have them so I can't see how scans of the indices can help. Are these scans of the original manuscript books, or later printed replacements for some of them, (neither of which have the spouse's name until 1912!)? What happened about pages torn from these original books to satisfy the vanity of some vandals? Was there a back-up copy? >Some of the fiches are virtually illegible, so for dates <1902 freebmd is a much better option. Of course they had difficulty reading some of the names and got some wrong! To get the surname (choice of 1 to 4) of a spouse freebmd is going to be the only way! > >John Dixon > >

Hi list James queried why freebmd did not include the spouse's surname. Simple! The indices did not include the name of the spouse until 1912! The indices on fiche at Bromley Lib don't of course have them so I can't see how scans of the indices can help. Are these scans of the original manuscript books, or later printed replacements for some of them, (neither of which have the spouse's name until 1912!)? What happened about pages torn from these original books to satisfy the vanity of some vandals? Was there a back-up copy? Some of the fiches are virtually illegible, so for dates <1902 freebmd is a much better option. Of course they had difficulty reading some of the names and got some wrong! To get the surname (choice of 1 to 4) of a spouse freebmd is going to be the only way! John Dixon