Hello all, I made a small change to the Work in Progress page <http://perso.numericable.fr/%7Elovjames/family-history/lovelock/wip/wip.html> in the "Strays" section: I added the 1881 census record for the family of William Lovelock (b abt 1867) head of the family that Michael Lovelock is looking for. James

Oops! The link got scrambled. It should have been: http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/documents/national-probate-wills.html James James Loveluck wrote: > Hello all, > > Sue Lovelock has provided two transcripts from the National Probate > Calendar (see What's New 18 Aug 05) and I have now linked these to the > page Lovelock Extracts from the National Probate Calendars 1848 - 1943 > <cid:[email protected]>. The transcripts concern the > Grant of Administraiton for Jane Lovelock, 1915, and the Grant of > Probate for Tom Lovelock, 1937. > > Many thanks to Sue for providing these transcripts! > > James > > > ==== LOVELOCK Mailing List ==== > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hello all, Sue Lovelock has provided two transcripts from the National Probate Calendar (see What's New 18 Aug 05) and I have now linked these to the page Lovelock Extracts from the National Probate Calendars 1848 - 1943 <cid:[email protected]>. The transcripts concern the Grant of Administraiton for Jane Lovelock, 1915, and the Grant of Probate for Tom Lovelock, 1937. Many thanks to Sue for providing these transcripts! James

Hello List Help needed, looking for Gloria Patricia Lovelock who married William Morgan Rees. Have family connections with Margam Glamorganshire. Only date to help both living persons. Best Regards Allen Blethyn __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

Hello all, I've made a number of changes to the Web site, as follows (taken from the "What's New" page): * Updated the Kingsclere Line <http://perso.numericable.fr/%7Elovjames/family-history/lovelock/fragments/kingsclere-hants-tree.html> to include additional contributions from John Lewis, Nigel Gerdes and Graham Lovelock; Graham's contribution also includes some data originally provided by Dee Allhands. See also the Work in Progress page <http://perso.numericable.fr/%7Elovjames/family-history/lovelock/wip/wip.html> for a pointer to a proposed extension of this line by John Lewis. * Added a Kingsclere gedcom file to the gedcom files page <http://perso.numericable.fr/%7Elovjames/family-history/lovelock/gedcom.htm>. This gedcom file was produced by a merge of a file provided by John Lewis 15-Sep-05 and one provided by Nigel Gerdes 28-Aug-05, together wiith some additional data provided by Graham Lovelock 14-Jul-05. The latter also includes some data provided by Dee Allhands. * Added a Strays section to the Work in Progress page <http://perso.numericable.fr/%7Elovjames/family-history/lovelock/wip/wip.html>. Currently there is one entry, a Lovelock family that Michael Lovelock is searching for. Many thanks to all the contributors! James

This is just a test message to check whether a problem has been fixed. The Rootsweb server was silently junking all messages containing the URL of the Lovelock Web site! Supposedly this has now been fixed, so I'm including the site URL to check this: http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ There's no need to reply. James

Dear Listers I have a feeling that William must be a relation of my husband's line but cant quite work it out as I find the way the descent is set out ie 1 2 3 very confusing, I dont quite understand how it works. Is he related to John Lovelock of Sparsholt c1807. Best Wishes to all Sian Davies _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters

Eileen sent this to the list admin address, but I assume she meant it to go to the list. James -------- Original Message -------- Subject: More about Percy Lovelock Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:42:09 -0600 From: Eileen Adkins <[email protected]> To: Lovelock Mailing list <[email protected]> Thank you to all you kind Lovelock researchers who have pointed me to the back history of Percy's father William Henry Lovelock who was born at Westcott, near Sparsholt in Berkshire. Percy was born in Mile End Old Town in the September quarter of 1879. He married my great aunt Eliza Bailey Hobbs in the September quarter of 1904 at Hackney. Eliza was born in Glasgow 21 May 1870 but returned to Hackney where her father William Hobbs had been born before she was 4 years old. Her mother died and her father married again and my grandmother was her half sister. Percy & Eliza had 2 daughters. One was Ena and she had serious health problems. She might be the Ena born 1906. Their other daughter Cecelia married George Harry Fairey in the December quarter of 1921. He was from Olney in Bucks and they had met during WW1 when George came to London. My mother and George's sister Winnie were the bridesmaids. This was Winnie's first visit to London and she was 16. Later when our house was damaged by doodle bugs falling nearby we decamped to Olney and my sister and I were looked after by Winnie in a cottage that had no running water, no drains and only gas lighting. The Fairey's house at the other end of Olney was quite different. I did meet Aunt Eliza during WW11 - I'm pretty sure she was a widow by then - I have 1953 as her year of death but that may be a guess. Cecelia, known to us as Cissie, lived in Olney from 1921 until her death. George pre-deceased her. This is as much as I know about this Lovelock family group. Perhaps if anyone knows when Cecelia was born they could let me know. Congratulations on all the Lovelock information on your web sites. Eileen

Eileen, James, et al This is part of the Lambourne-Sparsholt tree. William Henry we have bap 31 Jan 1830 at Sparsholt, with a note in brackets that obviously ought to say 'born at Westcott in 1861 Census' - no doubt my omission of the word 'born'. Although Percy and Charles are listed there is no other information so there is a bit of updating to be done. Do you have any details on Percy's other daughter, Eileen, or any dates? The only thing I could find in Free BMD was Percy and Eliza's marriage: Sep quarter of 1904 in the Hackney RD, ref 1b 1062. Regards Graham -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Work in Progress Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:28:15 +0100 From: Eileen Adkins <[email protected]> To: James Loveluck <[email protected]> CC: [email protected] Some time ago I enquired whether anyone knew of a percy Lovelock who married my great aunt Eliza Hobbs. I now have more information. Percy was born Sep quarter of 1879 in Mile End Old Town. His father was William H Lovelock born about 1829 at Westcott, berks - which I cannot find. his mother's name was Ester born abt 1839 at Ramsbury, Wilts and he had an older brother Charles born about 1876 at Bromley-by-Bow. Percy and Eliza had 2 daughters so he has no Lovelock descendants. His daughter Cecelia I knew as Cissie and she lived in Olney, Bucks after her marriage. Does anyone recognise this branch of the Lovelock family. Eileen

Nothing short of baffling, Derek Perhaps Charles worked overseas, and Cecil arrived here after the 1901 Census? I can't recall ever seeing any Census entry of a Lovelock who was an Architect. Have you tried searching the 1901 using Cecil's occupation as a clue, and using partial surname searches (as in lov*** for instance)? Sorry not to be of any real help. Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: "DEREK NELSON" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 11:07 PM Subject: Cecil Charles McKensie LOVELOCK > Hello fellow Lovelock researchers > > I have a marriage certificate dated 17 August 1904 for one Cecil Charles McKenzie LOVELOCK aged 27 years whos father was Charles LOVELOCK (deseased) occupation Architect. > He married Lily Jane CROFT aged 28 father George CROFT gardener. > They were married in the parish of Tupsley, Hereford > > I have made extensive searches of the 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses but can find no entries for Cecil Charles McKensie LOVELOCK or his father. > > I really would like to find Cecil in the 1901 census. I do know he was in Hereford when his son Victor George Leopold Lovelock was born in 1908. > > Some of you may remember this request some time back in 2004! > Since then I have searched in sooo many places without finding this family. > > If we have any listers from Australia or New Zealand, perhaps they might be able to help with a look-up in their own country BMD databases. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Regards > Derek

Hello James and List, You could consider checking out the following 1. DAVID2 RICHARDS (DAVID1) was born 18421,2, and died 03 Mar 1919 in Margam, Glamorgan, Wales3. He married (1) MARY BEVAN JACKSON, daughter of DANIEL JACKSON and GWENLLIAN BEVAN. She was born 29 Aug 1840 in Crugwellt Margam, and died 20 Jun 1869 in Wern Margam. He married (2) MARY LOVELUCK Mar 1873 in BMD Neath, daughter of WILLIAM LOVELUCK and CATHERINE JENKIN. She was born 1843 in Margam, and died 06 Nov 1910 in Margam. Best Regards Allen Blethyn __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

Hello all, I've updated the Lambourne/Sparsholt Tree with some additional details provided by Ronald Sheppard. The details concern the family of Charles Lovelock b 27 Jan 1857 at Sparsholt (we previously only had the year of birth) and includes details of 4 additional children as shown in the 1901 census living at Rodbourne Cheney, Wilts. Ron also provided the maiden name (Davis) of Charles mother Harriet. James

I'm forwarding this message from Eileen Adkins to the mailing list since the copy she sent didn't seem to have made it. James -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Work in Progress Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:28:15 +0100 From: Eileen Adkins <[email protected]> To: James Loveluck <[email protected]> CC: [email protected] Some time ago I enquired whether anyone knew of a percy Lovelock who married my great aunt Eliza Hobbs. I now have more information. Percy was born Sep quarter of 1879 in Mile End Old Town. His father was William H Lovelock born about 1829 at Westcott, berks - which I cannot find. his mother's name was Ester born abt 1839 at Ramsbury, Wilts and he had an older brother Charles born about 1876 at Bromley-by-Bow. Percy and Eliza had 2 daughters so he has no Lovelock descendants. His daughter Cecelia I knew as Cissie and she lived in Olney, Bucks after her marriage. Does anyone recognise this branch of the Lovelock family. Eileen On Thursday, September 15, 2005, at 10:30 am, James Loveluck wrote: > Hello all, > > In the last few months we have made steady progress in building up a > fairly large number of Lovelock trees, and we have also succeeded in > making interesting connections between previously unconnected trees. > It has been my policy to avoid including on the site trees and > fragments which are somewhat tentative, because publishing them on the > Web site could have the effect of "casting in stone" such proposals > which may lead people along false trails. When there were exceptions > to this policy I have tried to make clear that the material was > somehat tentative. > > One disadvantage of this policy is that it may inhibit the discussion > of such proposals, although they are sometimes discussed on the > mailing list or within more restricted circles. So, after discussion > with a number of people concerned, I decided it might be useful to add > to the Web site a "Work in Progress" section where we can capture > these tentative proposals so that everyone can study them and > hopefully either produce evidence which confirms them, or shoot them > down in flames! We can also use this area to publish details of > "stray" families which don't appear to link into any of the current > trees, or for any other topics which you think are worth airing. Of > course this can (and should) also happen on the mailing list, but > after a while such topics sometimes get lost, and placing them on a > Web page should avoid this. > > The new "Work in Progress" section appears as a new tab on the menu > bar, and currently contains two proposals, one on a Hampshire - > Suffolk - Rutland - Herfordshire connection, from Nigel Gerdes and > Graham Lovelock, the other on a Berks - Cheshire - Lancs connection, > from Graham Lovelock. Any comments or questions about these proposals > should be sent to the mailing list, and then I'll update them as > required in the light of the discussion. Eventually they may be > considered as "confirmed" and I'll move them to the appropriate place. > > I would encourage everyone to send to the list or directly to me any > proposals for this "Work in Progress" section and I hope that you'll > be encouraged by the fact that proposals do not need to be complete or > fully confirmed. > > James >

Hello all, In the last few months we have made steady progress in building up a fairly large number of Lovelock trees, and we have also succeeded in making interesting connections between previously unconnected trees. It has been my policy to avoid including on the site trees and fragments which are somewhat tentative, because publishing them on the Web site could have the effect of "casting in stone" such proposals which may lead people along false trails. When there were exceptions to this policy I have tried to make clear that the material was somehat tentative. One disadvantage of this policy is that it may inhibit the discussion of such proposals, although they are sometimes discussed on the mailing list or within more restricted circles. So, after discussion with a number of people concerned, I decided it might be useful to add to the Web site a "Work in Progress" section where we can capture these tentative proposals so that everyone can study them and hopefully either produce evidence which confirms them, or shoot them down in flames! We can also use this area to publish details of "stray" families which don't appear to link into any of the current trees, or for any other topics which you think are worth airing. Of course this can (and should) also happen on the mailing list, but after a while such topics sometimes get lost, and placing them on a Web page should avoid this. The new "Work in Progress" section appears as a new tab on the menu bar, and currently contains two proposals, one on a Hampshire - Suffolk - Rutland - Herfordshire connection, from Nigel Gerdes and Graham Lovelock, the other on a Berks - Cheshire - Lancs connection, from Graham Lovelock. Any comments or questions about these proposals should be sent to the mailing list, and then I'll update them as required in the light of the discussion. Eventually they may be considered as "confirmed" and I'll move them to the appropriate place. I would encourage everyone to send to the list or directly to me any proposals for this "Work in Progress" section and I hope that you'll be encouraged by the fact that proposals do not need to be complete or fully confirmed. James

Hello fellow Lovelock researchers I have a marriage certificate dated 17 August 1904 for one Cecil Charles McKenzie LOVELOCK aged 27 years whos father was Charles LOVELOCK (deseased) occupation Architect. He married Lily Jane CROFT aged 28 father George CROFT gardener. They were married in the parish of Tupsley, Hereford I have made extensive searches of the 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses but can find no entries for Cecil Charles McKensie LOVELOCK or his father. I really would like to find Cecil in the 1901 census. I do know he was in Hereford when his son Victor George Leopold Lovelock was born in 1908. Some of you may remember this request some time back in 2004! Since then I have searched in sooo many places without finding this family. If we have any listers from Australia or New Zealand, perhaps they might be able to help with a look-up in their own country BMD databases. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards Derek

Hello Looking for any help on extending my information on my grandmother. Regards Stuart (Australia) 1 Ancestors of Ellen Anne BROWN Generation No. 1 1. Ellen Anne BROWN, born 05 January 1883 in Shadwell, London, England; died in England. She was the daughter of 2. Albert Alfred BROWN and 3. Harriet MC PHERSON. She married (1) Frederick William ROBINSON1 22 November 1903 in West Ham, London. England2. He was born 05 January 1884 in Outwood, Burstow, Surrey, England, and died in England. He was the son of Frederick ROBINSON and Mary Ann BUCK. Notes for Frederick William ROBINSON: In the 1901 Census Frederick was shown as a Boy Soldier in the Royal Fusiliers, stationed at Shaft Barracks, Western Heights, Dover, Kent. He served 21 years in the Royal Fusiliers, was posted to Aldershot in1909, ended his army career as a Master Tailor at Bordon, Hampshire in 1921. More About Frederick ROBINSON and Ellen BROWN: Marriage: 22 November 1903, West Ham, London. England2 Generation No. 2 2. Albert Alfred BROWN, born Abt. 1850 in Shadwell, Middlesex, England. He was the son of 4. William BROWN. He married 3. Harriet MC PHERSON 19 August 1878 in St George East (Stepney), London, England. 3. Harriet MC PHERSON, born Abt. 1857 in Shadwell, Middlesex, England. She was the daughter of 6. Henry MCPHERSON and 7. Elizabeth. More About Albert Alfred BROWN: Occupation: 1903, Dock Laborer More About Albert BROWN and Harriet MC PHERSON: Marriage: 19 August 1878, St George East (Stepney), London, England Children of Albert BROWN and Harriet MC PHERSON are: i. Elizabeth BROWN, born Abt. 1875 in Shadwell, London, England. ii. Albert BROWN, born Abt. 1877 in Shadwell, London, England. iii. William BROWN, born Abt. 1879 in Shadwell, London, England. iv. Henry BROWN, born Abt. 1881 in Shadwell, London, England. 1 v. Ellen Anne BROWN, born 05 January 1883 in Shadwell, London, England; died in England; married Frederick William ROBINSON 22 November 1903 in West Ham, London. England. vi. Richard BROWN, born Abt. 1891 in St George in the East, London, England. Generation No. 3 4. William BROWN Child of William BROWN is: 2 i. Albert Alfred BROWN, born Abt. 1850 in Shadwell, Middlesex, England; married Harriet MC PHERSON 19 August 1878 in St George East (Stepney), London, England. 6. Henry MCPHERSON, died Bef. 1881 in London, England. He married 7. Elizabeth. 7. Elizabeth, born Abt. 1830 in Scotland. More About Henry MCPHERSON: Occupation: 1878, Rope Maker Children of Henry MCPHERSON and Elizabeth are: 3 i. Harriet MC PHERSON, born Abt. 1857 in Shadwell, Middlesex, England; married Albert Alfred BROWN 19 August 1878 in St George East (Stepney), London, England. 2 ii. Henry MC PHERSON, born Abt. 1849 in Poplar, Middlesex, England. Endnotes 1. Reigate Reg. District, Surrey, No. 137. 2. Holy Trinity Church West Ham, No. 415. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/93 - Release Date: 8/09/2005

Greetings all Came across this LOVELOCK marriage in Gloucestershire whilst trawling through the PR for some of my STERRY line. Gloucester, St Mary de Lode Marriages 1855-1871 (PR) 1864 Apr 4 George Lovelock, full age, widower, Butcher, St Mary de Lode, Father: William Lovelock, Butcher and Mary Whichelow, full age, spinster, St Mary de Lode, Father: Richard Whichelow, Builder. Both signed. Wit: William Edney, Amelia Edney. Best wishes Robert ---------------------------------------------- Robert Sterry 9 Baileys Lane, Kurrajong Hills NSW 2758 AUSTRALIA Ph: (61)0245 731805 FAX: (61) 0245731022 Email: [email protected]

Hello listers, I've added to the Web site a tree and a couple of fragments for London (mainly St Pancras). These were provided by Graham Lovelock, who points out that they are very much work in progress, and are submitted for review. Comments and suggestions are welcome! The tree and fragments are linked to the "What's New" page, and to the page "Other count(r)ies" in the "Trees and Fragments" section. I haven't included a direct link to the page because either my ISP or the Rootsweb server seems to be dumping messages containing URLs! James

Dear all, The Lovelocks as listed on the LDS 1851 census record CD for Norfolk, Warwickshire and Devon. Head: LOVELOCK, James Neighbors 157658 Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace James LOVELOCK Head M 75 M Ferry Man Gaston-Wil Elizabeth Haley LOVELOCK Wife - 57 F --- Westminster St Margaret---- Susan GARNHAM Serv U 20 F Genl Serv South Lapham-Nfk Address: Lower Close, St Faiths Census Place: Norwich St Mary In Marsh St Faiths, Norfolk PRO Reference: HO/107/1811 Folio: 398 Page: 11 FHL Film: 0207464 Head: LOVELOCK, Charlottoh Neighbors 218917 Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Charlottoh LOVELOCK (Head) M 28 F Labourer Wife ----Middlesex Elizabeth LOVELOCK Sis U 27 F Chair Wooman ----Middlesex Mary Ann LOVELOCK Niec - 2 F --- Lyn-Norfolk Address: Bridge Street Yard, Kings Lynn Census Place: Kings Lynn St Margaret Kings Lynn, Norfolk PRO Reference: HO/107/1829 Folio: 431 Page: 24 FHL Film: 0207484 Head: LOVELOCK, Thomas Neighbors 308172 Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Thomas LOVELOCK Head M 40 M Doug Miller Newborrough-Stf Elizabeth LOVELOCK Wife M 43 F --- Anslow-Stf Robert LOVELOCK Son - 14 M Watch Maker Newborough-Stf James LOVELOCK Son - 13 M Scholar Newborough-Stf Mary LOVELOCK Daur - 11 F Scholar Newborough-Stf Thomas LOVELOCK Son - 10 M At Home Tamworth-Stf Jane LOVELOCK Daur - 6 F At Home Tamworth-Stf Francis LOVELOCK Son - 9m M --- Coventry-War Address: Albion Street, Coventry 400 Census Place: Coventry St Michael Coventry 400, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2067 Folio: 585 Page: 21 FHL Film: 0087330 The reference to Gaston - Wil for the first entry looks like a new line of enquiry for somebody to take up. A quick search of the Lovelock web site for Gaston did not bring anything up. Regards, Nigel Gerdes -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 02/09/2005

Hello all, I have updated the 1861 Census Data for Berkshire with additional entries provided by Graham Lovelock. One entry from the above, although included in the Hungerford records, was also added to the 1861 Census Data for Wiltshire, since it concerned Wilton, Wilts. Many thanks to Graham for these additional census records. Regards, James