James Very interesting Perhaps someone more into statistics and probability than us would be able to hazard an opinion as to whether the total of proven links taken as a fraction of the totals implies a probable or near certain common descent for all LOVELOCKS . Could this be the time to suggest a Y chromasome DNA project , which would involve sampling living male Lovelocks of so-far unlinked lines? Steve Tanner -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 1.17PM Subject: Useless statistics? Hello all, Over the past couple of years we have built up a substantial collection of Lovelock family trees and fragments, and I thought it would be interesting to try to get some measure of how far we've got in connecting up all the Lovelocks for whom we have records into one or other of these trees. As a start I took a look at the "Lovelocks in Wiltshire" file, since a lot of the tree building activity has focused on Wiltshire. Following are some very approximate statistics indicating how far we've got in connecting the records in this file into one or other of the Wiltshire trees. As with all statistics the actual numbers shouldn't be taken too seriously, because my methodology was very rudimentary. Note that the figures were derived from the "unexpurgated" Lovelocks in Wiltshire file, which differs from that on the Web site in that it contains records for some individuals who may still be living. The Lovelocks in Wiltshire file contains about 2065 records altogether. This includes some duplicates (records from different sources) and some events which are not baptisms, marriages or burials (for example wills, apprenticeships). Following an initiative started by Robert Sterry, events related to the Lieflock Line (L), the Lyneham Tree (Ly) and the Hampshire Tree (HL) (now called the Tangley Tree) have been flagged in the file; if one eliminates such events, one is left with about 1210 events. If one now eliminates events associated with the other trees listed in the table of Wiltshire Lovelock Trees, http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/wilts-frags.html one is left with about 865 events. Eliminating duplicate events, wills and apprenticeships this is reduced to about 750 events. Finally, there are a few Wiltshire fragments which are not included in the table referred to above, but are listed on the page of "Early Lovelock Fragments" http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/frags-history.html (these include fragments for Aldbourne, Chippenham, Marlborough, as well as some additional fragments for Gt Bedwyn, Burbage, and Ramsbury). Eliminating events included in these fragments leaves about 650 events which have not yet been associated with any of the trees or fragments included on the Web site. So for the case of Wiltshire, we have made very good progress in connecting up individuals into trees, but we've still got 650-750 events (depending on whether or not one includes the small fragments) which have not yet been connected to a Lovelock family tree, so we still have plenty of work to do! For other counties I would expect that we're not as far advanced as for Wiltshire. James ==== LOVELOCK Mailing List ==== Lovelock family history Web pages: http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Hello all, I've uploaded to the Web site an updated version of the London (mainly St Pancras) Tree. The updated version includes some additions provided by Graham Lovelock concerning: (a) the marriage of Martha Jane Lovelock (bap 28 Jun 1833) to Henry Jonathan Atkins, and the children of this marriage; (b) the marriage of Thomas Henry Lovelock (b abt Dec 1842 in Westminster RD) to Jeannie Moir Mackie, and children of this marriage. The updated file can be found at: http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/fragments/g-lovelock-london-frag.html Changes to the file compared to the previous version are indicated by red typeface. James

Hello all, I've updated the page containing data for the distribution of Lovelocks from census returns to include data for 1851, 1861, 1871 and 1891 provided by Graham Lovelock, and derived from data on the Ancestry Web site. This means that the data now covers the whole period from 1841 to 1901. The following is a direct link to the page: http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/documents/lovelock-distribution.htm Only the table and charts have been updated to include the new data, and not the maps because this would involve quite a lot of work. Many thanks to Graham for provided the additional data. James

I forgot to mention that, with the upgrade to a later version of PhpGedView, I also changed the root directory, so the URL for accessing the new version is: http://james.loveluck.free.fr/PGV-3.3.8/ Then select the appropriate database from the "Welcome Page" icon. In fact, the old URL contains a redirection to the new directory, so I hope this didn't cause too much confusion. James James Loveluck wrote the following on 29/07/2006 22:34: > Hello all, > > The Glamorgan Lovelucks tree has been updated on the Lovelock Web site: > http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/fragments/john-loveluck-descendants.html > > > This update corresponds to an update of the Loveluck database and > corresponding files on the Loveluck Web site. Full details of the > additions and changes are available in the What's New file on the > Loveluck Web site: > http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/loveluck/new.html > > I have also modified the PhPGedView Portal as follows: > - The version of PhpGedView has been updated to V3.3.8, which has some > added security features > - The gedcom files for the Lieflock Line and the Glamorgan Lovelucks > have been updated to the latest versions. > > James > > > ==== LOVELOCK Mailing List ==== > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hello all, The Glamorgan Lovelucks tree has been updated on the Lovelock Web site: http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/fragments/john-loveluck-descendants.html This update corresponds to an update of the Loveluck database and corresponding files on the Loveluck Web site. Full details of the additions and changes are available in the What's New file on the Loveluck Web site: http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/loveluck/new.html I have also modified the PhPGedView Portal as follows: - The version of PhpGedView has been updated to V3.3.8, which has some added security features - The gedcom files for the Lieflock Line and the Glamorgan Lovelucks have been updated to the latest versions. James

Hi, I am new to this list but was just wondering if anyone is connected to or has info on the above Janett Alexandrina Scott,daughter of George Scott of Penang.She married Arthur Stanley or Samuel Lovelock in UK,24 May 1888. I have been into the Lovelock website but cannot find a reference to the couple. Can anyone help with this? Please reply to my e-mail address.Thanks. Sincerely, Roger Scott Lewis.

Hello Allen, Thanks for the Bate family MIs from New Aberavon Graveyard, which I've entered in my Loveluck database. For those who're wondering what is the Lovelock/luck connection, the second husband of my gg grandmother (née Harriet Courtis) was Nicholas Bate, and their son Nicholas James Bate married Jessie Jones. James Allen wrote the following on 21/07/2006 17:52: > Hello Graham and James, > Relative of Loveluck family will be on my website, next week. > Included in the first 100 graves at the New Aberavon Graveyard. This > yard will be updated weekly.at- > http://www.aberavon-historical-friends.co.uk/ > > But I have just that one grave as a preview here- > > B48 Nicholas James > > son of Nicholas James and Jessie Bate > > died 11th.Nov.1887.aged 1 year and 10 months. > > Jessie Bate > > died 14th.Jan.1938.aged 79 years. > > Best Regards > > Allen in > > heat affected Aberavon > > > > ==== LOVELOCK Mailing List ==== > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hello Graham and James, Relative of Loveluck family will be on my website, next week. Included in the first 100 graves at the New Aberavon Graveyard. This yard will be updated weekly.at- http://www.aberavon-historical-friends.co.uk/ But I have just that one grave as a preview here- B48 Nicholas James son of Nicholas James and Jessie Bate died 11th.Nov.1887.aged 1 year and 10 months. Jessie Bate died 14th.Jan.1938.aged 79 years. Best Regards Allen in heat affected Aberavon

Good evening all from a sticky Yate - something shared by not a few places I suspect. I know there are one or two of you at least who have an interest in knowing the origin of the William John Lovelock whose Census history has been captured by Alan Whitaker and published by James on the 'Work in Progress' page. I now have a copy of his Birth Certificate, and although he was born in the Devizes RD, he wasn't actually born in the town itself. He was in fact born at Littleton, West Lavington. He was the son of John Lovelock and Harriet Gaydon, so he very much belongs in the Wroughton/Tidcombe tree. James will make the necessary amendments to the website data in due course. I've just done a bit of rechecking of Free BMD to see if we could throw any more light on the mysterious absence of the family from the 1861 Census. The death of a John Lovelock in the Devizes RD was registered in 4Q 1854, ref 5a 56, which could be the father. But no sign of a Harriet death or re-marriage in Devizes or the surrounding area. Since we know her father's name as well I thought to find Harriet in 1851 or 1841 and see if her place of birth helped to trace her in 1861. Drew a complete blank there as well. Perhaps someone will have better luck than me? Regards to all Graham

I noticed in the Wiltshire Family History Journal ( January 2006 ) that a Miss Statham of Littlehampton is researching Lovelock's in Lydiard Tregoze in the 19th Century. Has anyone on the List corresponded with this lady? If not I will write to introduce the Mailing List and Web Site. Regards John Lovelock Buckinghamshire UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message.

Please ignore this message. Free have now restored my ftp access and I believe I've been able to repair the damage. Everything seems to be in order, but please let me know if you notice any anomalies. James James Loveluck wrote the following on 13/07/2006 16:54: > Hello all, > > It would appear that a hacker has attaked my PhpGedView Web site > http://james.loveluck.free.fr/ > > Thanks to Jim Galley and Paul Griffin for bringing this to my attention. > > The Hacker signs himself "Turk Hacker" so I wonder if this is the same > one that hacked the French Microsoft site recently, not to mention > tens of thousands of other sites. If so I'm in good company. > > Unfortunately, at the moment I can't access the site via ftp to repair > it. I don't know whether this is due to the hacker's activities, or > whether Free have closed the connection. Free are not being very > responsive to my messages about this problem. > > Fortunately, the main Lovelock and Loveluck web sites are unaffected! > > http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ > http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/loveluck/i > > James > > > ==== LOVELOCK Mailing List ==== > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hello all, It would appear that a hacker has attaked my PhpGedView Web site http://james.loveluck.free.fr/ Thanks to Jim Galley and Paul Griffin for bringing this to my attention. The Hacker signs himself "Turk Hacker" so I wonder if this is the same one that hacked the French Microsoft site recently, not to mention tens of thousands of other sites. If so I'm in good company. Unfortunately, at the moment I can't access the site via ftp to repair it. I don't know whether this is due to the hacker's activities, or whether Free have closed the connection. Free are not being very responsive to my messages about this problem. Fortunately, the main Lovelock and Loveluck web sites are unaffected! http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/loveluck/i James

Hello all, I've made a fairly extensive update to the Lovelock Web site. The following family trees have been updated: - Lieflock Line - Wootton Rivers Tree - Wroughton Tidcombe Tree = Ropley, Crondall, Dogmersfield (Hants) Tree - Shipton Moyne (Glos) and Derbyshire Tree - Berkshire - Lancs - Cheshire Tree - Wiltshire - Cornwall Tree - Ropley - Portsea/Portsmouth Tree The corresponding gedcom files have also been updated, where available, and the updated gedcom files are indicated on the gedcoms page (indicated by date of Last Update). A number of other pages have been updated to reflect these changes, including the tables of family trees. I also updated the "Lovelocks in Gloucestershire" file to include the baptism and marriage records for Bristol, St John the Baptist, provided by Robert Sterry. Full details of the changes are included on the What's New page: http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/new.html Many thanks to all who contributed, including Robin Lovelock, Graham Lovelock, Carol King, Colin Alford, David Lovelock, Mary Cotter, Dave Hobday, Denise, Eileen of NZ, Patricia Lomax, Shirley Rush and Robert Sterry. Please accept my apologies if I missed anyone out! Please let me know if you notice any errors or missing files. James

A BIG Thank You to Yann for another action packed edition of Lovelock Lines. Thanks too for the contributors. I will enjoy absorbing some more tales of our great family. Cheers Col ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Loveluck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 7:33 PM Subject: Lovelock Lines 5th Edition availabe > Hello all, > > Lovelock Lines Edition 5 is now available for download from the Lovelock > Lines Web page: > http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/l-lines/ > > This edition includes articles by Mary Pipe (on her New Zealand Lovelock > family), Mick Lovelock and Yann Lovelock (Lovelock women in literature), > Robert Chapman (an opera with a Lovelock conncetion), Andrés Loveluck > Olivos and myself (the Chilean Loveluck family), and a second article by > Yann Lovelock (Lovelock musicians). > > Many thanks to all the contributors, and especially to Yann Lovelock who > not only contributed but also brought together yet another fascinating > edition with quite a variety in the subject matter of the different > articles. > > James > > > > ==== LOVELOCK Mailing List ==== > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1650 (20060707) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

Hello all, Lovelock Lines Edition 5 is now available for download from the Lovelock Lines Web page: http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/l-lines/ This edition includes articles by Mary Pipe (on her New Zealand Lovelock family), Mick Lovelock and Yann Lovelock (Lovelock women in literature), Robert Chapman (an opera with a Lovelock conncetion), Andrés Loveluck Olivos and myself (the Chilean Loveluck family), and a second article by Yann Lovelock (Lovelock musicians). Many thanks to all the contributors, and especially to Yann Lovelock who not only contributed but also brought together yet another fascinating edition with quite a variety in the subject matter of the different articles. James

A message from Yann: "This isn't strictly a genealogical question although I am interested in lines of descent. I have just come across a reference to a chamber opera by the American composer John Duke: Captain Lovelock (1953). I can't find any other information on the web. Is there any one out there who knows the plot and on what the scenario is based. I am assuming that the most probable source is Henry James' novel Confidence. Many thanks, Yann Lovelock" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message.

Hello Heather, And welcome to the Lovelock mailing list! This is just to warn you that there are some errors concerning the Dogmersfield Lovelocks in the tree which is currently on the Lovelock Web site, at: http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/fragments/ropley-crondall-hants-tree.html In particular, James Lovelock, bap 19 Apr 1795 at Dogmersfield (son of William Lovelock and Ann(e) Cole) is recorded as buried 3 Sep 1829, which contradicts the fact that several children born after this date are assigned to him and spouse Elizabeth. It is believed that the 3 Sep 1829 burial is actually that of another James Lovelock, bap 28 Nov 1796 at Dogmersfield, son of Job Lovelock and Anne Naish, who marr Sarah Field at Hartley Wintney 22 Oct 1820. It is now believed that the former James Lovelock was buried 31 Oct 1881 at Hartley Wintney. This information, and other details (1841 and 1851 census records, burial details for spouse Elizabeth and two of their children, marriages for daughters Jane and Mary Ann) will be included in the next update to the Web site. One bit of missing information is the marriage details for James Lvelock and Elizabeth, and the surname of the latter. The current information (marr abt 1817, Of Dogmersfield) came from the IGI. We haven't been able to find a suitable marriage in Dogmersfield Crondall or Hartley Wintney. Regards, James Heather wrote the following on 20/06/2006 11:04: > Hi, > > I am new to this list but not new to researching family history. > > Is anyone on this list researching the Lovelocks in Dogmersfield, > Hampshire? I distantly relate to them by marriage and since moving > house last year have found that I am related to a neighbour whose > grandmother was a Dogmersfield Lovelock. > > Heather > > ==== LOVELOCK Mailing List ==== > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Hi Heather You are in good company here :-) Mine were from around Dippenhall, near Crondall then Hartley Wintney, before my Great Grandfather, Thomas LOVELOCK, moved on to Reading with a job as a railway porter. His daughter Rose Alice LOVELOCK b1880 came out to Aust in 1911, looking for adventure & got married & raised a family instead. I have been in contact with a cousin, Daphne, still in England. There is a lot of data on the site for you, to relate to. Welcome aboard & looking to hear your families stories too :-) Cheers Col ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:04 PM Subject: Lovelock in Dogmersfield > Hi, > > I am new to this list but not new to researching family history. > > Is anyone on this list researching the Lovelocks in Dogmersfield, > Hampshire? I distantly relate to them by marriage and since moving house > last year have found that I am related to a neighbour whose grandmother > was a Dogmersfield Lovelock. > > Heather > > ==== LOVELOCK Mailing List ==== > Lovelock family history Web pages: > http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1609 (20060620) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

Hi, I am new to this list but not new to researching family history. Is anyone on this list researching the Lovelocks in Dogmersfield, Hampshire? I distantly relate to them by marriage and since moving house last year have found that I am related to a neighbour whose grandmother was a Dogmersfield Lovelock. Heather

Hello all, Graham Lovelock provided figures for the distribution of Lovelocks in the 1841 census returns, so I have updated the corresponding Web page to include this material: http://perso.numericable.fr/~lovjames/family-history/lovelock/documents/lovelock-distribution.htm#table I've also attempted to improve the presentation of the data by including an image with a sequence of maps of the distribution of Lovelocks for 1841, 1881 and 1901, illustrating the way in which the distribution changed through this period. The maps use a uniform colour code with a gradation from pale to dark as the numbers increase. The page also includes pointers to other data on surname distribitions, which is difficult to compare directly with the above because of the different ways of presenting the data. James