All, Once again I want to thank Bob Stewart for continuing to post these obituaries (and Wanda Rabb, also). These obits allow us to continue to leaf out the most recent branches of our various trees, and I hope you are all making use of them in your own research. I'd like some input from others, though. In the line below for Barbara Ann Lovelace Holland, Bob shows Green Lovelace as the son of Nathan. I think we reached this conclusion many years ago as a result of DNA analysis for Bly Lovelace, Molinda Lovelace Karpman's brother. I would like someone to revisit that conclusion. My reasoning is this.... - Green Lovelace married Rebecca Moore 12 Sep 1830. - Green and Rebecca had three children before she died. Her father's will, written on 25 January 1867 mentions "Rebecca Lovelaces three William Elizabeth & Bejamine [sic]" and leaves them a child's part. This indicates that Rebecca was dead. - Green Lovelace married Martha Nichols on 14 September 1840. Or at least a marriage bond was posted for that marriage. - In the 1850 census, I cannot find Green and Martha in Rutherford or Cleveland Co. However, in 1860 they are in Rutherford County with three children, the oldest (Lee) born ca 1845. - In the 1850 census, Nancy Lovelace, widow of Benjamin who was the son of Ol' Barton the horse thief, shows up as head of household in Rutherford County. Living with her in the home are the three children of Green and Rebecca Moore Lovelace. Question: Why would the three children of a re-married son of Nathan be living with Nathan's widowed sister-in-law? Would it not make more sense if these three children were Nancy's grandchildren? If so, this would place Green Lovelace as a son of Benjamin and Nancy, and not a son of Nathan. Any comments are welcome. I believe this is the situation, but would like to hear from others.... Especially those of you who are experts with the results of the yDNA study. What in the results of the DNA test of Bly pushed us in the direction of placing him as a son of Nathan? Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of bgsroots via Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 1:21 PM To: LL Subject: [LL] Obituary of Barbara Ann (Lovelace) Holland - NC Barbara Ann Lovelace < Floyd Wade Lovelace, Sr. < Theodore < Frank < John L. < Green < Nathan < Barton < Benjamin <.... England Barbara Holland FOREST CITY - Barbara Ann Holland, 59, of Hill Street, died Friday, Aug. 29, 2014, at her residence. Born Oct. 23, 1954, in Rutherford County, she was a daughter to the late Floyd Wade Lovelace Sr. and Sarah Jane Hutchins Lovelace. Funeral services will be conducted at 4 p.m. Monday, Sept. 1, 2014, at the Harrelson Funeral Chapel. The family will receive friends one hour prior to service time at the funeral home. Harrelson Funeral and Cremation Services is serving the family. Funeral Home Harrelson Funeral Home Published in Gaston Gazette on Aug. 31, 2014 >From Harrelson Funeral Home: Barbara Ann Holland, age 59, of Hill Street, Forest City, died Friday, August 29, 2014 at her residence. Born October 23, 1954 in Rutherford County, she was a daughter to the late Floyd Wade Lovelace, Sr. and Sarah Jane Hutchins Lovelace. She was a homemaker and worked for Stonecutter Mill and Hutchins Snack Shop for several years. Barbara enjoyed sewing, working concession at wrestling events, watching Animal Planet and spending time with her grandchildren. In addition to her parents, she was preceded in death by brother, Floyd Wade Lovelace, Jr. and an infant son, Adam Causby. Survivors include her husband, Michael Holland; two sons, Bobby Joe Causby and fiancé, Annise Kinley of Sandy Mush, Billy Joe Causby and fiancé, Alisha of Forest City; step-son, Michael Billy Ray Holland and wife, Kaitlyn; sister, Teresa Chandler and husband, David all of Forest City. She is also survived by nine grandchildren. Funeral services will be conducted at 4:00 p.m. on Monday, September 1, 2014 at the Harrelson Funeral Chapel with her sister, Teresa Chandler officiating. The family will receive friends one hour prior to service time at the funeral home. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sooo... Nobody wants to hop in on this????? Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg Lovelace via Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 8:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LL] Green Lovelace... son of Nathan... or of Benjamin???? All, Once again I want to thank Bob Stewart for continuing to post these obituaries (and Wanda Rabb, also). These obits allow us to continue to leaf out the most recent branches of our various trees, and I hope you are all making use of them in your own research. I'd like some input from others, though. In the line below for Barbara Ann Lovelace Holland, Bob shows Green Lovelace as the son of Nathan. I think we reached this conclusion many years ago as a result of DNA analysis for Bly Lovelace, Molinda Lovelace Karpman's brother. I would like someone to revisit that conclusion. My reasoning is this.... - Green Lovelace married Rebecca Moore 12 Sep 1830. - Green and Rebecca had three children before she died. Her father's will, written on 25 January 1867 mentions "Rebecca Lovelaces three William Elizabeth & Bejamine [sic]" and leaves them a child's part. This indicates that Rebecca was dead. - Green Lovelace married Martha Nichols on 14 September 1840. Or at least a marriage bond was posted for that marriage. - In the 1850 census, I cannot find Green and Martha in Rutherford or Cleveland Co. However, in 1860 they are in Rutherford County with three children, the oldest (Lee) born ca 1845. - In the 1850 census, Nancy Lovelace, widow of Benjamin who was the son of Ol' Barton the horse thief, shows up as head of household in Rutherford County. Living with her in the home are the three children of Green and Rebecca Moore Lovelace. Question: Why would the three children of a re-married son of Nathan be living with Nathan's widowed sister-in-law? Would it not make more sense if these three children were Nancy's grandchildren? If so, this would place Green Lovelace as a son of Benjamin and Nancy, and not a son of Nathan. Any comments are welcome. I believe this is the situation, but would like to hear from others.... Especially those of you who are experts with the results of the yDNA study. What in the results of the DNA test of Bly pushed us in the direction of placing him as a son of Nathan? Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of bgsroots via Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 1:21 PM To: LL Subject: [LL] Obituary of Barbara Ann (Lovelace) Holland - NC Barbara Ann Lovelace < Floyd Wade Lovelace, Sr. < Theodore < Frank < John L. < Green < Nathan < Barton < Benjamin <.... England Barbara Holland FOREST CITY - Barbara Ann Holland, 59, of Hill Street, died Friday, Aug. 29, 2014, at her residence. Born Oct. 23, 1954, in Rutherford County, she was a daughter to the late Floyd Wade Lovelace Sr. and Sarah Jane Hutchins Lovelace. Funeral services will be conducted at 4 p.m. Monday, Sept. 1, 2014, at the Harrelson Funeral Chapel. The family will receive friends one hour prior to service time at the funeral home. Harrelson Funeral and Cremation Services is serving the family. Funeral Home Harrelson Funeral Home Published in Gaston Gazette on Aug. 31, 2014 >From Harrelson Funeral Home: Barbara Ann Holland, age 59, of Hill Street, Forest City, died Friday, August 29, 2014 at her residence. Born October 23, 1954 in Rutherford County, she was a daughter to the late Floyd Wade Lovelace, Sr. and Sarah Jane Hutchins Lovelace. She was a homemaker and worked for Stonecutter Mill and Hutchins Snack Shop for several years. Barbara enjoyed sewing, working concession at wrestling events, watching Animal Planet and spending time with her grandchildren. In addition to her parents, she was preceded in death by brother, Floyd Wade Lovelace, Jr. and an infant son, Adam Causby. Survivors include her husband, Michael Holland; two sons, Bobby Joe Causby and fiancé, Annise Kinley of Sandy Mush, Billy Joe Causby and fiancé, Alisha of Forest City; step-son, Michael Billy Ray Holland and wife, Kaitlyn; sister, Teresa Chandler and husband, David all of Forest City. She is also survived by nine grandchildren. Funeral services will be conducted at 4:00 p.m. on Monday, September 1, 2014 at the Harrelson Funeral Chapel with her sister, Teresa Chandler officiating. The family will receive friends one hour prior to service time at the funeral home. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There's a pastor, Jonathan Lovelace, age 44 from Church Hill, TN, who's a contestant on the new reality series Utopia. Does he belong to any of us on the list? Linda