Tom, Sorry to be so long in replying. I found it necessary to update my database. As you are aware, there were two Henry's born about 1813 who descend from Lovelaces found in New York. I hope the following clears up any confusion that you may have about them. Henry #1 is Henry Lovelace, the son of Abraham Lovelace and Asenath J. LNU. Abraham Lovelace is the son of William Lovelace and Elizabeth Burns. William and Elizabeth emigrated from England about 1769 and settled in Dutchess County, New York, and proceeded to raise eighteen children. William is found on the 1790 and 1800 censuses for Dutchess County, first in Frederickson Town and secondly in Phillips Town. William probably died between 1800 and 1810, in Dutchess County, since he has not been located on the 1810 census. Abraham is the tenth child of William and Elizabeth (he has five older brothers and four older sisters). He was born ca 1782 in Frederickson Town of Dutchess County, New york. About 1805, Abraham married Asenath J. LNU, probably in Dutchess County, NY. Abraham died on 21 Nov 1857 or 02 Nov 1858 (I do not known which date is correct) in Allegan, Allegan County, Michigan. Abraham was counted on his father's 1790 and 1800 censuses for Dutchess county, NY. In 1810, Abraham was enumerated on the census for Orange County, NY. In 1820, he is found in Susquehanna County, Pennsylvania, in the Great Bend Township. In 1830, Abraham had moved to the Ithaca Township of Tompkins County, New York. By 1840, Abraham had moved further west, to Chautauqua County, New York and in 1850 he was found in Allegan County, Michigan. Abraham is also found on the 1854 state census for Allegan County, Michigan. Henry #1 is the fourth child of Abraham and Asenath (he was preceded by one brother and two sisters). Henry was born about 1813 in Newburgh Town of Orange County, New York. Henry died between 1800 and 1900, probably in Ithaca, Tompkins County, New York (Henry has not been located on the 1900 census). Henry married Emeline LNU between 1833 and 1836, probably in Tompkins County, New York. They raised five children: an unknown daughter, and four sons, named Willard, George W., Albert and Edward. Henry #1 was counted on his father's 1820 and 1830 censuses. He was enumerated, in 1840, in Ithaca of Tompkins County, NY. In 1850, Henry was found in Dix of Chemung County, NY. In 1860, 1870, and 1880, he is again found in Ithaca of Tompkins County, NY. Henry Loveless (Henry #2) was born between 1813 and 1814 in New York. Henry is probably the son of Ira Loveless. (The third of twelve children). Ira was found on the 1830 and 1840 censuses for Lordstown, Trumbull County, Ohio. Ira has not been located on the 1800, 1810, or 1820 censuses. Ira was probably born between 1790 and 1793. Ira probably married Henry's mother (whose name is not known) between 1810 and 1815, in New York. Ira has not been located on the 1850 census. Henry #2 married Martha Marinda Thompson on 30 Dec 1834, in Whitestown, Oneida County, New York. They had seven children. They are: Harriet M. (b: 30 Dec 1834), Henry Dewitt (b: 1839-1840), Edwin L. (b: 1841-1842), Loren Thompson (b: 07 Sep 1844), Alice (b: 1846-1847), Amelia (b: ca Oct 1849), and Arthur Lockwood (b: 28 Jun 1851). Henry #2 was counted on his father's 1830 census. He was enumerated on the 1840 census for Newton Falls, Trumbull County, Ohio. Counted in his household, in addition to his wife, Martha, and his children, Harriet and Henry Dewitt, was Henry's brother, Ira, and Ira's wife. By 1850, Henry had moved to Livingston County, Illinois (he was on the north side of the Vermillion River). His brother Ira is also found there. Henry's date of death is not known, but he was not found on the 1860 census and his children had been farmed out to separate households. On 9/2/2014 2:28 PM, Tom Loveless wrote: > BTW, in the same family of Abram/Abraham, I have yet to determine the > correct ID of their son Henry. > He was born about 1813. > Way back in 1999, Dick Loveless brought up the same question. > > (1) Henry moved to MI, and was married to Martha Marinda “Patty” Thompson. > In the 1850 census North Side Vermilion River, Livingston Co., IL. This > Henry’s descendants are pretty much document by one Frank Loveless that > use to be on the list. > > (2) Henry lived in NY all the time and in the 1850 census for Dix, > Chemung Co., NY, and was married to an Emeline. -- Jack D. Lovelace