I'm going to apologize to everyone right off the bat for starting something here on the list....I KNOW I shouldn't say this..........HOWEVER....sometimes I just can't NOT say something and you may atribute this to my advanced age, as I have decided at this point in my life that most of my life I have held my tongue but these last few years (hopefully a lot of them) I have left, I have decided that I might as well say what I feel, so this is how I feel. Dear Harvey,       You make some very good points, and one very bad one.  First of all, the Mormons have done more than any other people, group, whatever to try to gather genealogical information and give free access to everyone.  Secondly, I do not think that any of them would knowingly submit bad information, and I especially don't think that they would do this in order to "Pray someone into Heaven". I don't know ALOT about Mormon doctrince but I don't think that is part of their doctrine, and I really resent your implying that "many" of them do this.       My Mother was a Mormon, who worked all her life on genealogy and she was the reason for my interest in it that began when I was a teenager in the 60's.  I think we all as researchers of our genealogy owe a debt of gratitude to the Mormons who have worked very hard to promote researching family lines. And as Forrest said " that's all I have to say about that. Nancy Lovelace Gooch From: "Harvey Bottoms" <harveybottoms@sbcglobal.net> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:30:28 AM Subject: Re: [LL] irritated At least you don't have someone that declares himself the complete authority and if you disagree or question any of their information then you have performed the unpardonable sin.  I tried to work with an individual who had a different slant on part of my distant family.  I thought that the interchange of ideas would be great.  It could allow us to explore the various possibilities.  I discovered in a hurry that this individual didn't want interchange.  He was right, any thing that didn't agree with his thoughts was wrong and there were no chance that he would ever change his information.  Well, I made a copy of this indivdual's information so that I could think about it and use it as a possibility but in retrospect, he had to jump loops in many cases to come to the conclusions that he did.  I also have had similar problems with my gggg-grandmother.  The Mormon site has an incorrect maiden name which has been published far and wide.  I have a deed from 1723 which shows her maiden name, who her father was, etc. but the erroneous information still persists.  I have another line where my relative married in Virginia and moved to Alabama.  The Virginia information shows clearly who her parents were but they picked up some stranger in Alabama and made him her father.  I had difficulty persuading the researcher even though I sent him the documentation.  Genealogy is practiced by too many people who want to be related to someone famous or something similar and really don't want to be genealogist.  Many of the Mormons have been known to be loose with their information just so that they could have someone to pray into Heaven.  Please don't get me wrong, there are good genealogists out there and this Lovelace list is definitely one that perpetuates the best.   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would scan the document and add it to your media for this individual, it will come up in ancestry as a new file (the little tree) and then everyone that has it wrong will get this image with the proper information, at least that would all other "fact" based researchers the tool they need to start the change of years of the wrong file going around, I know I have my past "data" coming back to me at each "little tree" I get in my 80,000 people file. Cuz Jimmie In finally HOT Southern California (well if you call 93 hot for a desert (well beach front)!) -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Gooch Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:57 AM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: [LL] Speaking of IRRITATED I'm going to apologize to everyone right off the bat for starting something here on the list....I KNOW I shouldn't say this..........HOWEVER....sometimes I just can't NOT say something and you may atribute this to my advanced age, as I have decided at this point in my life that most of my life I have held my tongue but these last few years (hopefully a lot of them) I have left, I have decided that I might as well say what I feel, so this is how I feel. Dear Harvey, You make some very good points, and one very bad one. First of all, the Mormons have done more than any other people, group, whatever to try to gather genealogical information and give free access to everyone. Secondly, I do not think that any of them would knowingly submit bad information, and I especially don't think that they would do this in order to "Pray someone into Heaven". I don't know ALOT about Mormon doctrince but I don't think that is part of their doctrine, and I really resent your implying that "many" of them do this. My Mother was a Mormon, who worked all her life on genealogy and she was the reason for my interest in it that began when I was a teenager in the 60's. I think we all as researchers of our genealogy owe a debt of gratitude to the Mormons who have worked very hard to promote researching family lines. And as Forrest said " that's all I have to say about that. Nancy Lovelace Gooch From: "Harvey Bottoms" <harveybottoms@sbcglobal.net> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:30:28 AM Subject: Re: [LL] irritated At least you don't have someone that declares himself the complete authority and if you disagree or question any of their information then you have performed the unpardonable sin. I tried to work with an individual who had a different slant on part of my distant family. I thought that the interchange of ideas would be great. It could allow us to explore the various possibilities. I discovered in a hurry that this individual didn't want interchange. He was right, any thing that didn't agree with his thoughts was wrong and there were no chance that he would ever change his information. Well, I made a copy of this indivdual's information so that I could think about it and use it as a possibility but in retrospect, he had to jump loops in many cases to come to the conclusions that he did. I also have had similar problems with my gggg-grandmother. The Mormon site has an incorrect maiden name which has been published far and wide. I have a deed from 1723 which shows her m! aiden name, who her father was, etc. but the erroneous information still persists. I have another line where my relative married in Virginia and moved to Alabama. The Virginia information shows clearly who her parents were but they picked up some stranger in Alabama and made him her father. I had difficulty persuading the researcher even though I sent him the documentation. Genealogy is practiced by too many people who want to be related to someone famous or something similar and really don't want to be genealogist. Many of the Mormons have been known to be loose with their information just so that they could have someone to pray into Heaven. Please don't get me wrong, there are good genealogists out there and this Lovelace list is definitely one that perpetuates the best. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message