In a message dated 12/7/10 12:16:52 AM, wsloveless@yahoo.com writes: > My tests traced us back to the Dorchester England group,I like to > think,possibly the Loveless Martyrs of England. > Well, this blows my theory about him being part of the MD group. Hmmmm. The mystery deepens. Maybe he was the immigrant of this line. Refresh me on the martyrs. When were they arrested and deported to Australia? Lou Ann

I thought that by way of DNA the MD group traces back to Dorchester, England, and possibly the martyrs. Carolyn On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 8:08 AM, <Brondak@aol.com> wrote: > > In a message dated 12/7/10 12:16:52 AM, wsloveless@yahoo.com writes: > > > > My tests traced us back to the Dorchester England group,I like to > > think,possibly the Loveless Martyrs of England. > > > > Well, this blows my theory about him being part of the MD group. Hmmmm. > The mystery > deepens. Maybe he was the immigrant of this line. Refresh me on the > martyrs. When were > they arrested and deported to Australia? > Lou Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Carolyn is correct.  Our MD group DNA matches up with a Sue Doyle's brother (if memory doesn't fail me) who descends from a Dorchester Lovelace of the early 1700s.  This tells us that we probably descend from a common Dorset ancestor.  However, it's pretty clear that we don't descend from any of the Tolpuddle Martyrs.  The Martyrs were deported to Australia in the mid-1800s (again, if memory doesn't fail me).  It may be that the Martyrs share a common ancestor with us (just speculation unsupported by any data on hand right now here in AZ), but I think we can definitely say that none of the Lovelxxx families in the US are direct descendants of the Martyrs. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn McCoy" <c2mccoy@gmail.com> To: lovelace@rootsweb.comt Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2010 10:40:28 AM Subject: Re: [LL] DNA testing I thought that by way of DNA the MD group traces back to Dorchester, England, and possibly the martyrs. Carolyn On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 8:08 AM, <Brondak@aol.com> wrote: > > In a message dated 12/7/10 12:16:52 AM, wsloveless@yahoo.com writes: > > > > My tests traced us back to the Dorchester England group,I like to > > think,possibly the Loveless Martyrs of England. > > > > Well, this blows my theory about him being part of the MD group.   Hmmmm. > The mystery > deepens.   Maybe he was the immigrant of this line.   Refresh me on the > martyrs.   When were > they arrested and deported to Australia? > Lou Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lou Ann, William's test is two off from the modal values of Maryland and four or five off from the modal values of Dorsetshire (do not yet know the exact modal values for Dorsetshire). It is possible that William is descended from somebody from Dorsetshire, but they came to Kentucky via Maryland. Brondak@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/7/10 12:16:52 AM, wsloveless@yahoo.com writes: > > > >> My tests traced us back to the Dorchester England group,I like to >> think,possibly the Loveless Martyrs of England. >> >> > > Well, this blows my theory about him being part of the MD group. Hmmmm. > The mystery > deepens. Maybe he was the immigrant of this line. Refresh me on the > martyrs. When were > they arrested and deported to Australia? > Lou Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Jack D. Lovelace