Indeed, you are probably right... but I was laughing when I read it! > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:49:48 -0400 > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > From: greglovelace@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [LL] [PML] Another Hanford (King's Co., CA) Lovelace story, Dec 1896 > > HAHAHA! > > I don't think he actually went into the pit of the outhouse/water > closet.... I think he was a skinny kid who could squeeze through a > crack in the door and find a place where he could stash the mail and > read it without fear of detection. But I have to admit it *does* > sound that way! > > Peace, > Part of the Tree, > Greg > > > At 10:14 AM 9/1/2010, S B wrote: > > >Just got around to reading the emails... do I read correctly that > >Welborn wriggled himself into the hole of a LOO? (water closet?) to > >read through the letters? And what poor soul was required to > >retrieve the left over mail? > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:31:02 -0400 > > > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > > > From: greglovelace@comcast.net > > > Subject: [LL] [PML] Another Hanford (King's Co., CA) Lovelace > > story, Dec 1896 > > > > > > > > > [Greg's note: The T. Lovelace listed in the newspaper story below is > > > probably Thomas J. Lovelace, older brother of the twins Lemuel and > > > Manuel Lovelace, who we recently were discussing. They are all sons > > > of Archibald. I checked the 1900 census for Hanford, and Thomas J. > > > was listed there, with the occupation of "keeper cigars and tobacco", > > > which I assume to mean he was a shopkeeper in a tobacco shop, which > > > would fit in the story below. We're beginning to know a lot about > > > this family!] > > > > > > > > > >From: Dee Sardoc <deesar@frontiernet.net> > > > >Source: NORCAL@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: [NORCAL] Hanford, Kings Co., CA - 11 December 1896 > > > > > > > >Hanford Journal > > > >Hanford, Kings Co., California > > > >Friday, 11 DECEMBER 1896 > > > >********************************** > > > > > > > >HELD TO ANSWER -- > > > >Hugh WELBORN Will be Tried in the U.S. Court at Los Angeles -- > > > >On a Charge of Robbing the Postoffice at Hanford -- > > > >Gist of the Evidence Introduced at the Examination -- > > > > > > > >The examination of Hugh WELBORN, the Hanford boy accused of stealing > > > >letters from the Hanford postoffice, was tried before U.S. Court > > > >Commissioner PRINCE at Fresno last Wednesday. > > > > > > > >There were present from Hanford: > > > >Jap WELBORN and his wife (parents of Hugh), and his little > > brother and sister > > > >Postmaster TANDY > > > >T. LOVELACE, of the Postoffice store > > > >Constable GOODRICH > > > > > > > >A Fresno lawyer represented the defendant, while Commissioner > > > >PRINCE, with a view to obtaining the facts relating to the guilt of > > > >the prisoner, asked questions. U.S. Deputy Marshal Bart ALFORD had > > > >charge of young WELBORN. > > > > > > > >The testimony of Messrs. LOVELACE, TANDY & GOODRICH was taken. The > > > >postmaster testified that mail had been missing from the office for > > > >a year and he had suspected WELBORN of the deeds, because he was > > > >hanging around about the front of the office a good deal, sometimes > > > >very early in the morning and again late at night; also how on Dec. > > > >2d, when notified by Mr. LOVELACE of the fact that young WELBORN had > > > >been seen to open a box and insert his hand therein, he ran after > > > >WELBORN and took from him a letter addressed to J. Cooper LEGGITT. > > > >The letter was offered in evidence and was the only exhibit made. > > > > > > > >Mr. LOVELACE, who conducts the store in the front part of the > > > >postoffice, told how on Dec. 2d, he saw young WELBORN enter the > > > >postoffice and go to the row of boxes on the south side of the > > > >office. He (LOVELACE) stooped down behind his counter to make the > > > >boy think he was busy at some work under the counter, but he kept > > > >his eye on the boy, whom he suspected of stealing letters. He saw > > > >young WELBORN look carefully about and then put his hand into a box, > > > >unlock it apparently from the inside and then insert his right arm > > > >clear up to the elbow. When young WELBORN withdrew his hand there > > > >was a letter in it, which letter he thrust into the left breast of > > > >his coat and then walked rapidly out of the postoffice. As soon as > > > >the boy as gone, Mr. LOVELACE went to the box into which the boy had > > > >inserted his arm and the door of which was half open. Mr. LOVELACE > > > >inserted his arm into the same box and called to Mr. TANDY, to see > > > >whose box it was. It was box 90, rented to J.C. LEGGITT, to > > > >whom the letter found on WELBORN was addressed. > > > > > > > >Constable GOODRICH told of the arrest of the prisoner and the > > > >finding of a large number of letters, addressed to different parties > > > >in Hanford, in a water closet in the rear of the vacant lots just > > > >east of the Opera House. Young WELBORN who is quite thin, could > > > >wiggle himself down through the hole in the closet into the vault > > > >beneath, where, secure from detection, he could open letters and > > > >take from them anything of value. > > > > > > > >The testimony was all in at noon, and at the afternoon session > > > >Commissioner PRINCE held young WELBORN to answer before the U.S. > > > >Court at Los Angeles. The trial of the defendant is likely to come > > > >off within a month and the witnesses at the examination will also > > > >have to go to Los Angeles to testify. Young WELBORN remains in > > > >charge of Deputy U.S. Marshal ALFORD and will be taken to Los > > > >Angeles later for trial. > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > > > >Transcribed by Dee Sardoch > > > >To see more old newspapers, visit http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/ > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3050 - Release Date: > > 08/04/10 00:45:00 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3106 - Release Date: > >09/01/10 02:34:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3106 - Release Date: 09/01/10 02:34:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This sounds more like a cistern than an outhouse. They were used to collect water that ran off the roof of a house, and were underground. Water could be pumped into a wash room within the house by a hand pump and could be used to wash up, but not to drink. We had one under the house when I was growing up-before we had running water in the house. Nancy Ross > From: research33@hotmail.com > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 11:21:56 -0400 > Subject: Re: [LL] [PML] Another Hanford (King's Co., CA) Lovelace story, Dec 1896 > > > Indeed, you are probably right... but I was laughing when I read it! > > > > > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:49:48 -0400 > > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > > From: greglovelace@comcast.net > > Subject: Re: [LL] [PML] Another Hanford (King's Co., CA) Lovelace story, Dec 1896 > > > > HAHAHA! > > > > I don't think he actually went into the pit of the outhouse/water > > closet.... I think he was a skinny kid who could squeeze through a > > crack in the door and find a place where he could stash the mail and > > read it without fear of detection. But I have to admit it *does* > > sound that way! > > > > Peace, > > Part of the Tree, > > Greg > > > > > > At 10:14 AM 9/1/2010, S B wrote: > > > > >Just got around to reading the emails... do I read correctly that > > >Welborn wriggled himself into the hole of a LOO? (water closet?) to > > >read through the letters? And what poor soul was required to > > >retrieve the left over mail? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:31:02 -0400 > > > > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > > > > From: greglovelace@comcast.net > > > > Subject: [LL] [PML] Another Hanford (King's Co., CA) Lovelace > > > story, Dec 1896 > > > > > > > > > > > > [Greg's note: The T. Lovelace listed in the newspaper story below is > > > > probably Thomas J. Lovelace, older brother of the twins Lemuel and > > > > Manuel Lovelace, who we recently were discussing. They are all sons > > > > of Archibald. I checked the 1900 census for Hanford, and Thomas J. > > > > was listed there, with the occupation of "keeper cigars and tobacco", > > > > which I assume to mean he was a shopkeeper in a tobacco shop, which > > > > would fit in the story below. We're beginning to know a lot about > > > > this family!] > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Dee Sardoc <deesar@frontiernet.net> > > > > >Source: NORCAL@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: [NORCAL] Hanford, Kings Co., CA - 11 December 1896 > > > > > > > > > >Hanford Journal > > > > >Hanford, Kings Co., California > > > > >Friday, 11 DECEMBER 1896 > > > > >********************************** > > > > > > > > > >HELD TO ANSWER -- > > > > >Hugh WELBORN Will be Tried in the U.S. Court at Los Angeles -- > > > > >On a Charge of Robbing the Postoffice at Hanford -- > > > > >Gist of the Evidence Introduced at the Examination -- > > > > > > > > > >The examination of Hugh WELBORN, the Hanford boy accused of stealing > > > > >letters from the Hanford postoffice, was tried before U.S. Court > > > > >Commissioner PRINCE at Fresno last Wednesday. > > > > > > > > > >There were present from Hanford: > > > > >Jap WELBORN and his wife (parents of Hugh), and his little > > > brother and sister > > > > >Postmaster TANDY > > > > >T. LOVELACE, of the Postoffice store > > > > >Constable GOODRICH > > > > > > > > > >A Fresno lawyer represented the defendant, while Commissioner > > > > >PRINCE, with a view to obtaining the facts relating to the guilt of > > > > >the prisoner, asked questions. U.S. Deputy Marshal Bart ALFORD had > > > > >charge of young WELBORN. > > > > > > > > > >The testimony of Messrs. LOVELACE, TANDY & GOODRICH was taken. The > > > > >postmaster testified that mail had been missing from the office for > > > > >a year and he had suspected WELBORN of the deeds, because he was > > > > >hanging around about the front of the office a good deal, sometimes > > > > >very early in the morning and again late at night; also how on Dec. > > > > >2d, when notified by Mr. LOVELACE of the fact that young WELBORN had > > > > >been seen to open a box and insert his hand therein, he ran after > > > > >WELBORN and took from him a letter addressed to J. Cooper LEGGITT. > > > > >The letter was offered in evidence and was the only exhibit made. > > > > > > > > > >Mr. LOVELACE, who conducts the store in the front part of the > > > > >postoffice, told how on Dec. 2d, he saw young WELBORN enter the > > > > >postoffice and go to the row of boxes on the south side of the > > > > >office. He (LOVELACE) stooped down behind his counter to make the > > > > >boy think he was busy at some work under the counter, but he kept > > > > >his eye on the boy, whom he suspected of stealing letters. He saw > > > > >young WELBORN look carefully about and then put his hand into a box, > > > > >unlock it apparently from the inside and then insert his right arm > > > > >clear up to the elbow. When young WELBORN withdrew his hand there > > > > >was a letter in it, which letter he thrust into the left breast of > > > > >his coat and then walked rapidly out of the postoffice. As soon as > > > > >the boy as gone, Mr. LOVELACE went to the box into which the boy had > > > > >inserted his arm and the door of which was half open. Mr. LOVELACE > > > > >inserted his arm into the same box and called to Mr. TANDY, to see > > > > >whose box it was. It was box 90, rented to J.C. LEGGITT, to > > > > >whom the letter found on WELBORN was addressed. > > > > > > > > > >Constable GOODRICH told of the arrest of the prisoner and the > > > > >finding of a large number of letters, addressed to different parties > > > > >in Hanford, in a water closet in the rear of the vacant lots just > > > > >east of the Opera House. Young WELBORN who is quite thin, could > > > > >wiggle himself down through the hole in the closet into the vault > > > > >beneath, where, secure from detection, he could open letters and > > > > >take from them anything of value. > > > > > > > > > >The testimony was all in at noon, and at the afternoon session > > > > >Commissioner PRINCE held young WELBORN to answer before the U.S. > > > > >Court at Los Angeles. The trial of the defendant is likely to come > > > > >off within a month and the witnesses at the examination will also > > > > >have to go to Los Angeles to testify. Young WELBORN remains in > > > > >charge of Deputy U.S. Marshal ALFORD and will be taken to Los > > > > >Angeles later for trial. > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > > > > >Transcribed by Dee Sardoch > > > > >To see more old newspapers, visit http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/ > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3050 - Release Date: > > > 08/04/10 00:45:00 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > >Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3106 - Release Date: > > >09/01/10 02:34:00 > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3106 - Release Date: 09/01/10 02:34:00 > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message