I only live a few minutes from Butler County, KY and would love any info on where these Lovelaces lived or were buried. Teri Steiner ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jeff Sengstack <jeff@sengstack.com> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LL] LOVELACE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 191 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:38:53 -0700 Jack, You are a treasure trove of well documented information. Thank you for bringing clarity to this common misconnection (I have included an abridged version of it with this reply). I am seeking just a little more clarity on your conclusions. Here's why: You say: "Andrew [son of Elias LOVELACE] is the father of Archibald who married Mary Ashley." But you go on to say: "In 1810, on the Butler County, Kentucky, census, Archibald Richard [LOVELACE] has a tick mark for a son of the right age to be Archibald who married Mary Ashley. In 1820, on the Ohio County, Kentucky, census, he does not have a son of the right age." So to paraphrase: 1) Are you saying that Archibald LOVELACE (father of Lemuel), is NOT the son of Archibald Richard LOVELACE (because of the lack of a tick mark in the 1820 census) while Andrew LOVELACE's tick marks consistently indicate a son of Archibald's age? 2) You state clearly that Archibald (the father of Lemuel) is the son of Andrew LOVELACE (m. Rebecca HOL[E]MAN). Are you saying you make that connection only from the tick marks on the census records? 3) And are you saying Archibald Richard LOVELACE is the son of Elias LOVELACE and the brother of Andrew LOVELACE? You note that there are four Archibalds: i) Archibald (son of Andrew) who married Mary ASHLEY (mother of Lemuel) and Delia UNKNOWN ii) Archibald (son of Thomas) who married Nancy HOL[E]MAN, Hannah MORRIS and Lutitia FERGUSON iii) Archibald Richard (son of Elias) who married UNKNOWN and Elizabeth DUPOSTURE iv) Archibald (son of John Baptist), b. 1761 (you wrote 1861 but I'm sure you meant 1761) who married Jean IRWIN Finally...I have a few more questions/requests: 1) Are Nancy and Rebecca HOL[E]MAN sisters? Are they daughters of William HOL[E]MAN and Elizabeth JOHNSON? I see that every family tree that shows up in an Ancestry.com search for the LOVELACE-HOLEMAN connection, spell HOLEMAN with an E. What say you? 2) If you don't mind, would you further clarify the Archibald issue by listing each Archibald LOVELACE's siblings and birth/death dates? That way I (and all other LOVELACE researchers) can be sure I have all the siblings in the right place. What that will clear up, for example, is who David S. LOVELACE is related to (you mentioned he married Delila Fletecher -- easily confused with Archibald and Delia) Re: PURDOM. In notes written by Inez "Gigi" LOVELACE, she refers to a Major SHELTON and his daughter Elizabeth SHELTON. Gigi goes on to say that Elizabeth SHELTON's first husband was Thomas ASHLEY and that Archibald married Mary ASHLEY, Thomas and Elizabeth's daughter. Elizabeth SHELTON later married a man with the surname GRIGGS and then married a man with the last name PURDOM. That is why Gigi referred to Elizabeth SHELTON as grandmother PURDOM. Once again Jack. You are doing all LOVELACE family tree researchers a great service. Take care, Jeff On 7/30/2010 12:01 AM, lovelace-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > Re: [LL] Two Archibald LOVELACEs b. abt. 1809 - numerous discrepancies > From: > "Jack D. Lovelace" <lovelacejackd@verizon.net> > Date: > Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:48:18 -0700 > > To: > lovelace@rootsweb.com > > > Jeff, > > As you are aware, Lemuel M. Lovelace appears on the 1850 census of > McCracken County, Kentucky in the household of Archibald Lovelace and > his wife Mary M. Lovelace. Archibald's age is given as 42 [born > 1807-1808]. Mary's age is given as 39 [born 1810-1811]. .... > > There is a marriage record in Carter County, Tennessee, for _*David S. > Lovelace and Delila Fletecher*_, on 16 Feb 1848. David and Delila are > found on the 1850 and 1860 census for McCracken County, Kentucky.... > > In 1830, there are actually two Archibald Lovelaces listed. The age > of the second Archibald is 50 & under 60. The age of his wife is 40 & > under 50. This is _*Archibald Richard Lovelace*_, born 28 Jun 1778 in > Rowan County, North Carolina, died 1831-1843 in McCracken County, > Kentucky, or Ballard County, Kentucky. ... > > Archibald Richard was married twice. The name of his first wife is > not known, but they were married between 1800 and 1807 in Logan > County, Kentucky. His second wife was Elizabeth Duposture. They were > married 14 Jun 1813 in Butler County, Kentucky. I do not know if > Duposture is Elizabeth's maiden name or her married name. > > In 1810, on the Butler County, Kentucky, census, Archibald Richard has > a tick mark for a son of the right age to be Archibald who married > Mary Ashley. In 1820, on the Ohio County, Kentucky, census, he does > not have a son of the right age. > > Archibald Richard is the brother of Andrew Lovelace. Both are the > sons of Elias Lovelace and Anne Robey, grandsons of JBL and Eleanor > Wilcoxen. Andrew is the father of Archibald who married Mary Ashley. > > Andrew was born 03 Feb 1776 in Rowan County, North Carolina, and died > 11 Dec 1863 in Lovelaceville, McCracken County, Kentucky. > > There is a marriage bond record for the marriage of Andrew Lovelace > and Rebecca Holman, dated 06 Oct 1795, in Surry County, North > Carolina. Andrew was 19 years of age and Rebecca was also 19 years of > age. > > In 1810, Andrew is listed on the census for Butler County, Kentucky. > He has a tick mark for a son of the right age to be Archibald. > In 1820, Andrew is listed on the census for Butler County, Kentucky. > He has a tick mark for a son of the right age to be Archibald. > > Thomas A. Lovelace (1772-1829) and Amelia Permela Dyson (1777-1829) > also had a son named Archibald who was born 28 Mar 1806 in Iredell > County, North Carolina. This Archibald died in 1895 in Missouri. > Archibald, son of Thomas, married Nancy A. Holman (1809-1867) on 05 > Feb 1827 in Rowan County, North Carolina. > > Archibald, son of Thomas, married 2nd to Hannah F. Morris on 05 Jul > 1868 in Pettis County, Missouri, the widow of Amos H. Wheeler, and 3rd > to Lutitia Ferguson some time after 1880. > > Archibald Lovelace b: May 1861 in Frederick County, Maryland, d: about > 1847 in Wilkes County, North Carolina, son of JBL and Eleanor > Wilcoxen, married Jean Erwin on 08 Oct 1786 in Rowan County, North > Carolina. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ Health Plans From $50/mo. Compare Low-Cost Health Plans Online. Blue Cross, Aetna and more. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c535e5d75e174d97east03duc