As my family did... many can be found in the 1885 Indian Census for the Chickasaw Nation; and my grandparents lived in Grady county most of their lives together (My great grandparents hid in the Canadian River bend on the Chickasaw Nation in the caves when they fled Arkansas after the Civil War). It is difficult to define Cherokee as they were in so many places in the south, especially north Alabama and western Tennessee, along with the Choctaw we see these tribes being forced westward with each newly arriving settler from the new United States. I would not put it pass any of our Loveless (Lovelace) clan if they were not more Cherokee blood then your grandpa cuz Lou Ann, just look at where Lucinda was born in North Carolina and the tribes around Rutherford. Jimmie -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brondak@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:26 PM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LL] New Cousin in Florida I sent this to the e-mail address in the message, but also tried to send it to the list and it returned. I'm trying one more time. In a message dated 7/6/10 8:22:18 PM, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com writes: > So my question is if they were in the Chickasaw Nation, how could they > have been Cherokee? especially since I currently live in the Cherokee > nation and it so much farther north, it does not seem likely. I think > We should all be looking at Chickasaw records. > > My grandfather is Ed Loveless, g grandson of Barton of GA.  He (my grandfather) married Vestes Meltabarger.  Her father was 1/4 Cherokee and 3/4 German from TN. When they (her father and family) left TN, they spent a little bit of time in TX, then moved upward into Oklahoma.  Before they finally settled in Cleveland County, right in the middle of the state, they lived in the Chickasaw nation south of us.  The Chickasaws allowed people, other than their tribe, to live in their nation.  They needed workers and that was part of the reason.  They leased land and hired workers from outside their tribe, so that could be how your Cherokee folks lived among the Chickasaws. Lou Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message