Mollie (Mary R.) Lovelace, daughter of William Ramsey Lovelace is noted in our family oral history as being Cherokee. I have never found a document to prove it, though the few photographs we have of her she does look as though she might indeed have been. I am not sure if the Cherokee came from her Lovelace father or from her mother, Ann Knott. Would love to know if any of the Barton clan has found records of Cherokee? Greg #1??? > From: Brondak@aol.com > Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:06:07 -0400 > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LL] New Cousin in Florida > > > In a message dated 7/8/10 12:54:52 AM, jimmie.ryan@verizon.net writes: > > > > I would not put it pass any of our > > Loveless (Lovelace) clan if they were not more Cherokee blood then your > > grandpa cuz Lou Ann, just look at where Lucinda was born in North Carolina > > and the tribes around Rutherford. > > > > Yes, my grandpa did also have Cherokee blood, but I have yet to pinpoint > where it is. > I think it is from his mother whose maiden name was Brooks and the Brooks > are > illusive. Can't find the exact link to our Brooks, although I have found > several families > in the areas of both GA and AL where our Lovelesses were. There's kind of > a funny > story in regard to the Cherokee in my grandpa's family. Grandpa's brother > married > a girl who was 1/8 Cherokee. At the time my grandpa was 18 and he was > against > this "mixed marriage". I have a copy of a letter he wrote to a cousin in > TX saying > that. Yet, when I was about 12 my grandpa told me that he had a Cherokee > grandpa. > I can picture the scenario of this 18 year old ranting about his brother's > "mixed > marriage" and his mother taking him by the ears and telling him to hush his > mouth > because he was also Cherokee, probably an eighth as well. > > I wish that when I was twelve I had had the sense (or the courage) to ask > for more > information. The question came about because I had asked my mother what > nationality we were and she told me Black Dutch, but she had no clue what > that > meant, so I asked my Grandparents. They told me it meant we were > Cherokee. > My grandmother told me she had a Cherokee grandmother (I have found her) > and my > grandfather told me he had a Cherokee grandfather (the illusive one). > However, > the message that came through to me loud and clear that day was that they > really > didn't want to talk about it, so I didn't pursue it. Bad mistake. > > The other funny thing about this, is that my grandfather was having such a > fit about > his brother marrying a girl who was 1/8 Cherokee and then he did the same > thing. > This tells me that he had definitely learned of his own heritage and had > changed his > mind about "mixed marriages". > Lou Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1

My Lovelace line also has oral history of Cherokee blood through my g-g-grandmother Isabelle Stephens Riddle. Her mother was Savannah Lovelace and her father was Alexander Stephens and they all lived in and around Falmouth Kentucky. Eastern Kentucky where they lived was part of the historical land of the Cherokee. Couzin Mary in West Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "S B" <research33@hotmail.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood > > Mollie (Mary R.) Lovelace, daughter of William Ramsey Lovelace is noted in > our family oral history as being Cherokee. I have never found a document > to prove it, though the few photographs we have of her she does look as > though she might indeed have been. > > I am not sure if the Cherokee came from her Lovelace father or from her > mother, Ann Knott. > > Would love to know if any of the Barton clan has found records of > Cherokee? Greg #1??? > > > > >> From: Brondak@aol.com >> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:06:07 -0400 >> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [LL] New Cousin in Florida >> >> >> In a message dated 7/8/10 12:54:52 AM, jimmie.ryan@verizon.net writes: >> >> >> > I would not put it pass any of our >> > Loveless (Lovelace) clan if they were not more Cherokee blood then your >> > grandpa cuz Lou Ann, just look at where Lucinda was born in North >> > Carolina >> > and the tribes around Rutherford. >> > >> >> Yes, my grandpa did also have Cherokee blood, but I have yet to pinpoint >> where it is. >> I think it is from his mother whose maiden name was Brooks and the Brooks >> are >> illusive. Can't find the exact link to our Brooks, although I have >> found >> several families >> in the areas of both GA and AL where our Lovelesses were. There's kind >> of >> a funny >> story in regard to the Cherokee in my grandpa's family. Grandpa's >> brother >> married >> a girl who was 1/8 Cherokee. At the time my grandpa was 18 and he was >> against >> this "mixed marriage". I have a copy of a letter he wrote to a cousin >> in >> TX saying >> that. Yet, when I was about 12 my grandpa told me that he had a >> Cherokee >> grandpa. >> I can picture the scenario of this 18 year old ranting about his >> brother's >> "mixed >> marriage" and his mother taking him by the ears and telling him to hush >> his >> mouth >> because he was also Cherokee, probably an eighth as well. >> >> I wish that when I was twelve I had had the sense (or the courage) to ask >> for more >> information. The question came about because I had asked my mother what >> nationality we were and she told me Black Dutch, but she had no clue what >> that >> meant, so I asked my Grandparents. They told me it meant we were >> Cherokee. >> My grandmother told me she had a Cherokee grandmother (I have found her) >> and my >> grandfather told me he had a Cherokee grandfather (the illusive one). >> However, >> the message that came through to me loud and clear that day was that they >> really >> didn't want to talk about it, so I didn't pursue it. Bad mistake. >> >> The other funny thing about this, is that my grandfather was having such >> a >> fit about >> his brother marrying a girl who was 1/8 Cherokee and then he did the same >> thing. >> This tells me that he had definitely learned of his own heritage and had >> changed his >> mind about "mixed marriages". >> Lou Ann >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All, As far as I know, none of my line has any Cherokee blood. They were in Spartanburg Co., SC in the early 1800s before moving up to Rutherford Co., NC in the 1810s. There is always the possibility that there was some intermarriage with Cherokees, but I have no direct evidence of it. I do know that in the early 1900s, the federal government, in an attempt to make amends for the uprooting of the Eastern Cherokees, formed a commission, the Dawes Commission, to investigate claims of Cherokee ancestry and determine if any reparations were due to the descendants of those forced to leave their ancestral homelands and move to join the Western Cherokees on the reservation in Oklahoma. Many people, in an effort to get in on the government gravy train, tried to claim Cherokee ancestry. Some were successful, some were not. I do know that some of the descendants of Barton of GA applied to the Dawes Commission, but I think they were claiming ancestry through Barton's wife Ibby. Lou Ann and Anne Haneghan can set me straight on that if I'm wrong. So many of the claims of Cherokee ancestry may be traced back to the possibility of getting a share of the reparations offered by the government. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg At 12:35 PM 7/15/2010, you wrote: >Mollie (Mary R.) Lovelace, daughter of William Ramsey Lovelace is >noted in our family oral history as being Cherokee. I have never >found a document to prove it, though the few photographs we have of >her she does look as though she might indeed have been. > >I am not sure if the Cherokee came from her Lovelace father or from >her mother, Ann Knott. > >Would love to know if any of the Barton clan has found records of >Cherokee? Greg #1??? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3006 - Release Date: 07/14/10 22:26:00

My LoveLess line goes back to Pulaski Co. Ky. since 1776,when it was all Virginia. It was always rumored that we had Native blood,but nobody dared to admit it due to persecution and fear.This was then the stronghold of the mighty Thunderbolt Cherokee People.It it rumored that they fell after a massacre at Ywahoo Falls when Franklinites trapped , raped and killed all women(mostly pregnant) ,children and elders of the nation. 110 people that I feel very close with died in a genicide attempt on Aug.10th 1810. (200 years ago this year) and 30 some years before the "trail of tears". Just wanted to share this info.I have a niece from my Sister that is a direct decendant of "Cornblossom" through the Rainwater family.Please consider sheding a Cherokee "tear" with me in rememberance this year on Aug.10 2010. Here's a video I did... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bjrWYNS0l8 --- On Thu, 7/15/10, Greg Lovelace <greglovelace@comcast.net> wrote: From: Greg Lovelace <greglovelace@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 3:34 PM All, As far as I know, none of my line has any Cherokee blood.  They were in Spartanburg Co., SC in the early 1800s before moving up to Rutherford Co., NC in the 1810s.  There is always the possibility that there was some intermarriage with Cherokees, but I have no direct evidence of it.  I do know that in the early 1900s, the federal government, in an attempt to make amends for the uprooting of the Eastern Cherokees, formed a commission, the Dawes Commission, to investigate claims of Cherokee ancestry and determine if any reparations were due to the descendants of those forced to leave their ancestral homelands and move to join the Western Cherokees on the reservation in Oklahoma.  Many people, in an effort to get in on the government gravy train, tried to claim Cherokee ancestry.  Some were successful, some were not.  I do know that some of the descendants of Barton of GA applied to the Dawes Commission, but I think they were claiming ancestry through Barton's wife Ibby.  Lou Ann and Anne Haneghan can set me straight on that if I'm wrong.  So many of the claims of Cherokee ancestry may be traced back to the possibility of getting a share of the reparations offered by the government. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg At 12:35 PM 7/15/2010, you wrote: >Mollie (Mary R.) Lovelace, daughter of William Ramsey Lovelace is >noted in our family oral history as being Cherokee.  I have never >found a document to prove it, though the few photographs we have of >her she does look as though she might indeed have been. > >I am not sure if the Cherokee came from her Lovelace father or from >her mother, Ann Knott. > >Would love to know if any of the Barton clan has found records of >Cherokee?  Greg #1??? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3006 - Release Date: 07/14/10 22:26:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message