At 10:09 AM 7/19/2010, Terrence White wrote: --------------------------snip---------------------------- >Not only this, but there is indeed an element of current Archaeology >which does now suggest that it is possible that some of the eastern >Native groups may have had some level of influx from European yDNA >(or at least culture--a much more difficult thing to prove!) in >pre-historic times. Groups suggested as origin points for this >influence include the ancient Vikings, Libyans, Irish, etc. There is >a variety of evidence arrayed to support these claims, including >alphabetical, linguistic, lexicographical, archaeological, and >semantic. I must stress, however, that this is not yet a fully >accepted or mainstream view within the archaeological field (nor do >I myself necessarily agree with it). ------------------snip------------- -----------------------------------snip-------------------------- Terry, I agree with your assessment. After watching many of the Archaeological and History programs on the History, National Geographic, Science and Discovery channels I would not be surprised at any of these occurrences. In fact I saw a program last night about how Chinese ships visited the west coast of America several years before Columbus and we all know of the Archaeological evidence of the Vikings. Many of the Native Americans, ie Sitting Bull (of Custer's Last Stand) had blue eyes and dyed his hair black (this I learned from a very good friend, who's Mother was a member of the same family of Sitting Bull). This man also (who is at least 3/4, or more, Native American) has blue eyes. (Blue, is a recessive gene I believe.) Nothing would surprise me as future DNA research progresses. Bill McMahon

Thanks cuz Terry, you might also want to remember that the "Clovis" Indian culture/people came to our eastern shores between big ice ages; so the base for all of the eastern Indian Nations (eastern Canada to the Mississippian Indian of the south) would have come from this Clovis people who disappeared after the second ice age; which by the way there arrow heads are striking similar to European hunter gatherer societies and arrow head technology that was present prior to Ice Age Europe that we read about... so as shown in the recent documentaries they went along the ice sheet from western Europe to the North American Continent thousands of years before even the Vikings, Libyans, Irish... cultures were even in existence. Funny I did not receive your complete message cuz Terry, you are always very well informed. Jimmie -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill McMahon Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:14 AM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LL] Indian blood and DNA At 10:09 AM 7/19/2010, Terrence White wrote: --------------------------snip---------------------------- >Not only this, but there is indeed an element of current Archaeology >which does now suggest that it is possible that some of the eastern >Native groups may have had some level of influx from European yDNA (or >at least culture--a much more difficult thing to prove!) in >pre-historic times. Groups suggested as origin points for this >influence include the ancient Vikings, Libyans, Irish, etc. There is a >variety of evidence arrayed to support these claims, including >alphabetical, linguistic, lexicographical, archaeological, and >semantic. I must stress, however, that this is not yet a fully accepted >or mainstream view within the archaeological field (nor do I myself >necessarily agree with it). ------------------snip------------- -----------------------------------snip-------------------------- Terry, I agree with your assessment. After watching many of the Archaeological and History programs on the History, National Geographic, Science and Discovery channels I would not be surprised at any of these occurrences. In fact I saw a program last night about how Chinese ships visited the west coast of America several years before Columbus and we all know of the Archaeological evidence of the Vikings. Many of the Native Americans, ie Sitting Bull (of Custer's Last Stand) had blue eyes and dyed his hair black (this I learned from a very good friend, who's Mother was a member of the same family of Sitting Bull). This man also (who is at least 3/4, or more, Native American) has blue eyes. (Blue, is a recessive gene I believe.) Nothing would surprise me as future DNA research progresses. Bill McMahon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You're most welcome, cuz Jimmie, and many thanks for your very kind words!   Terry --- On Mon, 7/19/10, Jimmie Ryan <jimmie.ryan@verizon.net> wrote: From: Jimmie Ryan <jimmie.ryan@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [LL] Indian blood and DNA To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 7:37 PM Thanks cuz Terry, you might also want to remember that the "Clovis" Indian culture/people came to our eastern shores between big ice ages; so the base for all of the eastern Indian Nations (eastern Canada to the Mississippian Indian of the south) would have come from this Clovis people who disappeared after the second ice age; which by the way there arrow heads are striking similar to European hunter gatherer societies and arrow head technology that was present prior to Ice Age Europe that we read about... so as shown in the recent documentaries they went along the ice sheet from western Europe to the North American Continent thousands of years before even the Vikings, Libyans, Irish... cultures were even in existence.  Funny I did not receive your complete message cuz Terry, you are always very well informed. Jimmie -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill McMahon Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:14 AM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LL] Indian blood and DNA At 10:09 AM 7/19/2010, Terrence White  wrote: --------------------------snip---------------------------- >Not only this, but there is indeed an element of current Archaeology >which does now suggest that it is possible that some of the eastern >Native groups may have had some level of influx from European yDNA (or >at least culture--a much more difficult thing to prove!) in >pre-historic times. Groups suggested as origin points for this >influence include the ancient Vikings, Libyans, Irish, etc. There is a >variety of evidence arrayed to support these claims, including >alphabetical, linguistic, lexicographical, archaeological, and >semantic. I must stress, however, that this is not yet a fully accepted >or mainstream view within the archaeological field (nor do I myself >necessarily agree with it).  ------------------snip------------- -----------------------------------snip-------------------------- Terry, I agree with your assessment.  After watching many of the Archaeological and History programs on the History, National Geographic, Science and Discovery channels I would not be surprised at any of these occurrences.  In fact I saw a program last night about how Chinese ships visited the west coast of America several years before Columbus and we all know of the Archaeological evidence of the Vikings.  Many of the Native Americans, ie Sitting Bull (of Custer's Last Stand) had blue eyes and dyed his hair black (this I learned from a very good friend, who's Mother was a member of the same family of Sitting Bull). This man also (who is at least 3/4, or more, Native American) has blue eyes. (Blue, is a recessive gene I believe.) Nothing would surprise me as future DNA research progresses. Bill McMahon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message