My Lovelace side has a lot of Cherokee and some Choctaw. I'm from the Wayne County, KY Lovelaces. We go back to John Lovelace Sr. (1801) who married Mary Polly Cooper (1798). Mary's Father was a Choctaw chief and her Grandfather was a Cherokee Chief Enola Black Fox. They are listed on the Old Settler's List and Chief Black Fox was removed to and Indian Reservation in Oklahoma. There are still Black Fox family members there today. My Grandfather had no idea that he was at all Indian. I thought like some others on the list that there was no way he was Cherokee. He claimed to be Scottish through and through - black hair and blue eyes. He never knew his birth name was Fox Ford Lovelace until he received a draft notice at age 18. Even then, he didn't know where the name came from. His Irish granny never told him her husband came from a chief. From what I know, the only British people who intermarried with Cherokees were the Scottish, Irish and Welsh. The English considered it beneath them for the most part. All I am saying is that there is a lot we don't know about our families. It was someone on the Lovelace that told me years ago that my GG Grandfather, Fox Fontaine Lovelace was Cherokee. I argued with them that he had black hair and blue eyes and there was no way. Then I started on a path that has never stopped amazing me because of the wealth of info available. Teri Steiner > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3006 - Release Date: 07/14/10 > 22:26:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c410faa13b330005fst05duc

Thank you for this info. There is a "stereotype" of what an Indian should look like i.e., high cheek-bones, large nose, black hair, dark skin. This never was the case even with the original Indians. They all had different physical features and the area of the country they lived played a big part in this. Then add to the mix marriage with a non-Indian and you have other genes in the gene pool resulting in many different physical appearances. Right now there are approx. 658 federally recognized tribes, bands and rancheros. These are all sovereign nations with their own language, customs, etc. Usually, when there is a family lore of Indian blood especially if it goes back at least 200 years or more the possibility of it being true is better than if it doesn't go back that far. A lot of eastern woodland Indians ran for the hills rather than being driven off their lands. They settled in the hills and hollows of Virginia, Kentucky, West Virginia, Tennessee and even in Ohio and Pennsylvania. Many of the descendents of these people have a lot of documentation of their Indian blood but cannot get federal recognition because their Indian ancestors did not remain part of a tribe. Unfortunately, many unscruplous people in the past 40 years have exploited Indian tribes and have become very good a developing a genealogy that on the surface appears to be legit until it is investigated. Many tribes have had to make enrollments so defined as to even exclude a lot of legitmate members i.e., the Eastern Cherokee has an enrollment criteria that is you MUST be enrolled within the first year of life AND be at least 1/16th Cherokee or you MUST enroll between your 18th and 19th birthday AND be at Least 1/16th Cherokee. NO EXCEPTIONS. This is because of con men and women who would present one of these bogus genealogies and once enrolled would receive not only the entitlements of free health care, etc., but they would receive their allotment of tribal land then sell it to some outsider. The Cherokee were losing their tribal lands. This very small Cherokee tribe (approx. 11,000) did not have the financial means to pay someone to investigate all the hundreds of applications for membership that they received every year so they enacted this tribal enrollment law. Needless to say the volume of applications have drastically reduced. Many other tribes have done the same for the same reasons. Mary Jarrell ----- Original Message ----- From: <ptsteiner1@juno.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood > > > > My Lovelace side has a lot of Cherokee and some Choctaw. I'm from the > Wayne County, KY Lovelaces. We go back to John Lovelace Sr. (1801) who > married Mary Polly Cooper (1798). Mary's Father was a Choctaw chief and > her Grandfather was a Cherokee Chief Enola Black Fox. They are listed on > the Old Settler's List and Chief Black Fox was removed to and Indian > Reservation in Oklahoma. There are still Black Fox family members there > today. My Grandfather had no idea that he was at all Indian. I thought > like some others on the list that there was no way he was Cherokee. He > claimed to be Scottish through and through - black hair and blue eyes. He > never knew his birth name was Fox Ford Lovelace until he received a draft > notice at age 18. Even then, he didn't know where the name came from. His > Irish granny never told him her husband came from a chief. From what I > know, the only British people who intermarried with Cherokees were the > Scottish, Irish and Welsh. The English considered it ben! > eath them for the most part. All I am saying is that there is a lot we > don't know about our families. It was someone on the Lovelace that told me > years ago that my GG Grandfather, Fox Fontaine Lovelace was Cherokee. I > argued with them that he had black hair and blue eyes and there was no > way. Then I started on a path that has never stopped amazing me because of > the wealth of info available. > > Teri Steiner > >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3006 - Release Date: 07/14/10 >> 22:26:00 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Jumping 2000% > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c410faa13b330005fst05duc > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message