Teri, Thank you for the wonderful information. And, Mary, I also agree with your input about what an Indian looks like....I have a neice by marriage (not Lovelace related) that is high enough percentage Cherokee that she is on the records and she has sandy blonde hair and blue eyes. She has an Aunt living on the reservation in Cherokee, NC. (I believe the Aunt in on her Mom's side of the family). GinnyO (from the Rutherford County NC Lovelace's) ----- Original Message ----- From: <ptsteiner1@juno.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood > > > > My Lovelace side has a lot of Cherokee and some Choctaw. I'm from the > Wayne County, KY Lovelaces. We go back to John Lovelace Sr. (1801) who > married Mary Polly Cooper (1798). Mary's Father was a Choctaw chief and > her Grandfather was a Cherokee Chief Enola Black Fox. They are listed on > the Old Settler's List and Chief Black Fox was removed to and Indian > Reservation in Oklahoma. There are still Black Fox family members there > today. My Grandfather had no idea that he was at all Indian. I thought > like some others on the list that there was no way he was Cherokee. He > claimed to be Scottish through and through - black hair and blue eyes. He > never knew his birth name was Fox Ford Lovelace until he received a draft > notice at age 18. Even then, he didn't know where the name came from. His > Irish granny never told him her husband came from a chief. From what I > know, the only British people who intermarried with Cherokees were the > Scottish, Irish and Welsh. The English considered it ben! > eath them for the most part. All I am saying is that there is a lot we > don't know about our families. It was someone on the Lovelace that told me > years ago that my GG Grandfather, Fox Fontaine Lovelace was Cherokee. I > argued with them that he had black hair and blue eyes and there was no > way. Then I started on a path that has never stopped amazing me because of > the wealth of info available. > > Teri Steiner > >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3006 - Release Date: 07/14/10 >> 22:26:00 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Jumping 2000% > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c410faa13b330005fst05duc > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
The brother above me has blonde hair and blue eyes; his grandmother was full blood Choctaw; along with his father and the Glass family lived on the reservation in Oklahoma and was on the Dawes Rolls. Most of my family (Brown/Gotcher) lived on the Choctaw reservation between 1883 - 1889, including my gg grandmother Susan Gotcher Brown who was the niece of Chief Sitting Bull who ran the Choctaw Nation prior to statehood. We need to remember there were some Indian's that sided with the French and were outcasts when the British took over parts of what was the old French empire in the new world. Many mixed raced people lived in white settled area until they could no longer pass for white and moved westward (especially after the Civil War). Many arrived in Oklahoma and still considered themselves to be white as they lived next to their Indian cousins. I have two Trail of Tears oral histories in my family; along with the oral history of our relationship to the Shawnee and Choctaw. The Dawes Rolls that were later found to be have been corrupted by money interests and there were many that did not have any Indian blood, just connections to who was taken the "official count." We also have to remember the great struggle between France, Spain, and Britain over this continent and the Indian Nations that were caught either on the wrong side; or were just destroyed by diseases brought here by the European settlers and explorers that decreased the documentation and our present day abilities to determine who in fact were in the "frontier wives" of this country; and who intermarried with the natives (frontier settlers, prior to colonial take-over). I am sure there were many Scots that came here without their wives and took native women; then only to make themselves either more conforming to the town as it became more settled; or they just pick up everything and moved west to keep the knowledge of their mixed heritage. It seems in most of my readings of this the French took better to living with the natives then the British did; thus, you saw the Trails of Tears and removal of the Indian Nations westward when full control came to the British Empire. When I was read the "Martin's Fort" summary I noticed a John Townsend in the garrison, Lou Ann is there a reason that names stand out for me? Jimmie in Melting SoCal -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ginnyo Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:08 AM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood Teri, Thank you for the wonderful information. And, Mary, I also agree with your input about what an Indian looks like....I have a neice by marriage (not Lovelace related) that is high enough percentage Cherokee that she is on the records and she has sandy blonde hair and blue eyes. She has an Aunt living on the reservation in Cherokee, NC. (I believe the Aunt in on her Mom's side of the family). GinnyO (from the Rutherford County NC Lovelace's) ----- Original Message ----- From: <ptsteiner1@juno.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood > > > > My Lovelace side has a lot of Cherokee and some Choctaw. I'm from the > Wayne County, KY Lovelaces. We go back to John Lovelace Sr. (1801) who > married Mary Polly Cooper (1798). Mary's Father was a Choctaw chief and > her Grandfather was a Cherokee Chief Enola Black Fox. They are listed on > the Old Settler's List and Chief Black Fox was removed to and Indian > Reservation in Oklahoma. There are still Black Fox family members there > today. My Grandfather had no idea that he was at all Indian. I thought > like some others on the list that there was no way he was Cherokee. He > claimed to be Scottish through and through - black hair and blue eyes. He > never knew his birth name was Fox Ford Lovelace until he received a draft > notice at age 18. Even then, he didn't know where the name came from. His > Irish granny never told him her husband came from a chief. From what I > know, the only British people who intermarried with Cherokees were the > Scottish, Irish and Welsh. The English considered it ben! > eath them for the most part. All I am saying is that there is a lot we > don't know about our families. It was someone on the Lovelace that told me > years ago that my GG Grandfather, Fox Fontaine Lovelace was Cherokee. I > argued with them that he had black hair and blue eyes and there was no > way. Then I started on a path that has never stopped amazing me because of > the wealth of info available. > > Teri Steiner > >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3006 - Release Date: 07/14/10 >> 22:26:00 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Jumping 2000% > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c410faa13b330005fst05duc > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message