Hi Carolyn,   Again, David Wilson, or Lou Ann, Jack or Greg would probably be the better persons to answer this, but I'll give it my best:   Yes, a 25-marker exact match for your husband, plus the 2, 3, and 4 step-mutation matches (especially if all of the men are of the same surname--even if it is not your husband's surname) would indicate the 67-marker upgrade. Wish you the best there. But only a 25-marker match (even if it is exact), if it is not also shown as a 37-marker match (even with 1, 2, or 3 step mutations) in the same individual with whom your husband matches, may not really mean very much. I know this may sound confusing, so if you need clarification, please don't hesitate to ask.   As to your cousin Barry Lovelace possibly doing the "family finder" test, such a test result would not say anything about our remote Dorset connections, because those are simply too far back in time and generations (1500s-1600s). The family finder is really only useful for more recent generations (e.g. 4th-6th cousins). It might well say something about Barry's more recent Lovelace (and other non-Lovelxxx) relatives, however, and would be worth the try!   I myself plan on doing it soon, plus the deep-clade SNP test, to verify my haplogroup.   Best regards, and best of luck! Please keep me informed.   Terry --- On Thu, 7/29/10, Carolyn McCoy <c2mccoy@gmail.com> wrote: From: Carolyn McCoy <c2mccoy@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LL] Family Finder on Family Tree DNA To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Cc: "Barry Lovelace" <blovelace@austin.rr.com> Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 5:28 PM Terry, We have just requested an upgrade to 67 markers for my husband.  He has one exact match in the 25 marker category and several with 2, 3 and 4 distances on the 25 and 37 categories.  Also, my cousin, Barry Lovelace, who submitted his DNA to the Lovelace DNA study was wondering if he should go for the Family Finder test.  His DNA places us in the Maryland group and the Dorset, England, group.  Would the Family Finder tell us more? Thanks, Terry. Carolyn On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 3:06 PM, terrence White <revenant1963@yahoo.com>wrote: > Carolyn, > > The family finder test could indeed be useful. Although it is a new test, > I've already heard of several 'success stories' from using it. > > But first, I must ask what you mean when you say that your husband > "matches" several other men. Does he match at 12 markers, or at 25 markers, > or at 37 markers (or even 67 markers)? > > A 12 marker "match" will not mean very much at all--it only shows that your > husband's pre-Ice Age ancestors sprang from the same stock as those other > men--it is not at all useful for recent genealogical time frames. Ditto for > a 25 marker "match". The only really useful "matches" are the 37 marker > ones, and (especially) the 67 marker matches. > > If your husband matches any of those men at 37 markers, then you have some > solid leads, and an upgrade to 67 markers is definitely warranted! > > If you've only tested him to 12 or 25 markers, then you really need to > upgrade to at least 37. (Some of my genealogist friends even insist that > only the 67 marker test is really worthwhile, however, and won't even touch > anyone who has tested to lower levels than that!) > > Hope this helps! > > Terry W. > > > --- On Thu, 7/29/10, Carolyn McCoy <c2mccoy@gmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Carolyn McCoy <c2mccoy@gmail.com> > Subject: [LL] Family Finder on Family Tree DNA > To: "Lovelace List" <lovelace@rootsweb.com> > Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 3:52 PM > > > Can anyone tell me the advantage of taking part in the Family Finder Test > from the Family Tree DNA group?  My husband submitted DNA to the McKay > (since there is not a McCoy group) Family DNA study and he matches several > other surnames, but no McCoys (or McKays).  Would the Family Finder test > help at all? > Thanks, > Carolyn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message