Lenny, I need to tell you about Isabella, first I'll give you some background to this research. Also, I'll tell you up front that I was disappointed in what I found, but I've learned that sometimes facts don't show what we like. Isabella and John Madison had a son Roger who was the father of Ann Madison who married my 5th great grandfather Henry Cox. Since everything I found on them online had Ann as the mother of all Henry's kids, that was exciting. Not only would it have put me related to the Madisons, but also it would give me another Lovelace line. Well, months of extensive research of documents and communications with other researchers, Todds in particular, put all my expectations to rest. Ann was not the mother of Henry's son from whom my line descends (yes, I found his mother) and not only that, she isn't thought to descend from the Todds. In a nutshell, Capt Thomas Todd who married Anna Gorsuch left a will in which he named his children. Isabella is not one of them. I haven't found my copy ofthe will, but the researcher who provided it was a Todd and he and most other serious researchers, contrary to what you will find in the lines posted on rootsweb are convinced she was born a MINOR and was a widow of a TODD. Thomas Todd and Anna had a daughter Avarilla and some say that Avarilla was Isabella, but that's not so. Avarilla is Avarilla and Isabella is Isabella. It's been several years since I worked on them and don't know what might have been found in the meantime. If anything has, it's not on rootsweb, but I've discovered that many researchers don't put their info out for everyone to see. I have several volumes of Colonioal Families of the US which contain mostly pretty accurate info and they don't have Isabella listed as a daughter of Thomas and Anna. One of the resesrchers I worked with who has Thomas's will is a guy by the name of Bob Allen. He, among others, also says she is not a Todd. I would love to prove her Todd husband and her MINOR family, but there are only so many days in a year and mine are just too full to find everything I'd like to find. It is possible that the Todd she married was a William Todd and that this William was a son of Thomas and Anna since they did have a son William of the right age, but that is not proven and it wouldn't give her Madison children a link to the Gorsuches. I'm including below some of the info that I have on William Todd. I think this came from Bob Allen: [1] A possible candidate for her first husband is the “Mr. William Todd, dec.” who died between 1692-1695 and whose orphans, Margaret Todd and Frances Todd, received a land patent of 500 acres in Stratton Major Parish, King & Queen Co., VA, on 25 October 1695.  [Patent Book 9, page 10]  This patent says that the land was originally patented to “Mr. William Todd” (the father) on 29 April 1693 and this (1695) patent was necessary to insert a course boundary line omitted from the previous patents.  This patent suggests that this William Todd did not have any sons at the time of his death or otherwise the patent would have likely gone to the son(s) instead of to his two daughters.  The 29 April 1693 land patent to William Todd is located in Patent Book 8, page 266 and says that this patent followed an order of the General Court in James City, VA, on 24 October 1692.  It isn’t at all certain that the William Todd who is believed to be the first husband of Isabella Minor is the son of Anna Gorsuch and Thomas Todd, although they did have a son William of the right age. More importantly, this line is so often associated with Anna Gorsuch, with many thinking that Isabella is her daughter, that it appears likely the Todd in question is her son." Lou Ann

Thanks - so my link to the Kent Lovelace clan is disproved. Another way I am not related to my wife :-) I'll note things in my tree. Thanks. On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:59 PM, <Brondak@aol.com> wrote: > Lenny, > I need to tell you about Isabella, first I'll give you some background to > this research. Also, I'll tell you up front that I was disappointed in > what I found, but I've learned that sometimes facts don't show what we > like. Isabella and John Madison had a son Roger who was the father of Ann > Madison who > married my 5th great grandfather Henry Cox. Since everything I found on > them online had Ann as the mother of all Henry's kids, that was exciting. > Not only would it have put me related to the Madisons, but also it would > give me another Lovelace line. Well, months of extensive research of > documents and communications with other researchers, Todds in particular, > put all my expectations to rest. > Ann was not the mother of Henry's son from whom my line descends (yes, I > found his mother) > and not only that, she isn't thought to descend from the Todds. In a > nutshell, Capt Thomas Todd who married Anna Gorsuch left a will in which he > named his children. Isabella is not one of them. I haven't found my copy > ofthe will, but the researcher who provided it was a Todd and he and most > other serious researchers, contrary to what you will find in the lines > posted on rootsweb are convinced she was born a MINOR and was a widow of a > TODD. Thomas Todd and Anna had a daughter Avarilla and some say that > Avarilla was Isabella, but that's not so. Avarilla is Avarilla and > Isabella is Isabella. It's been several years since I worked on them and > don't know what might have been found in the meantime. If anything has, > it's not on rootsweb, but I've discovered that many researchers don't put > their info out for everyone to see. > > I have several volumes of Colonioal Families of the US which contain > mostly pretty accurate info > and they don't have Isabella listed as a daughter of Thomas and Anna. One > of the resesrchers > I worked with who has Thomas's will is a guy by the name of Bob Allen. > He, among others, also says she is not a Todd. I would love to prove her > Todd husband and her MINOR family, but there are only > so many days in a year and mine are just too full to find everything I'd > like to find. > > It is possible that the Todd she married was a William Todd and that this > William was a son of Thomas and Anna since they did have a son William of > the right age, but that is not proven and it wouldn't > give her Madison children a link to the Gorsuches. I'm including below > some of the info that I have > on William Todd. > > I think this came from Bob Allen: [1] A possible candidate for her first > husband is the “Mr. William Todd, dec.” who died between 1692-1695 and > whose orphans, Margaret Todd and Frances Todd, received a land patent of > 500 acres in Stratton Major Parish, King & Queen Co., VA, on 25 October > 1695. [Patent Book 9, page 10] This patent says that the land was > originally patented to “Mr. William Todd” (the father) on 29 April 1693 and > this (1695) patent was necessary to insert a course boundary line omitted > from the previous patents. This patent suggests that this William Todd did > not have any sons at the time of his death or otherwise the patent would > have likely gone to the son(s) instead of to his two daughters. The 29 > April 1693 land patent to William Todd is located in Patent Book 8, page > 266 and says that this patent followed an order of the General Court in > James City, VA, on 24 October 1692. > It isn’t at all certain that the William Todd who is believed to be the > first husband of Isabella Minor is the son of Anna Gorsuch and Thomas Todd, > although they did have a son William of the right age. > More importantly, this line is so often associated with Anna Gorsuch, with > many thinking that > Isabella is her daughter, that it appears likely the Todd in question is > her son." > Lou Ann