In a message dated 6/27/16 10:55:57 AM, lovelace@rootsweb.com writes: > I don’t think Nathan and Delma Lovelace are from the James (Loveless) of > Tishomingo (1796-1851) line. > > They're not. They're from Hazel of Newberry. Didn't my other message come through? The following is what I sent earlier: Greg, All of the info in your post fits exactly with what I have on the family and even added a date or place or too.  I didn't find them initially because I had them spelled Loveless in my files.  The surname changed spellings with a lot of the ones in the families, I have the father of Joseph as Francis b ca 1793 SC, Newberry Dist married to Elizabeth with the possible surname of HIPP. I have 11 children for them including Joseph. I have Francis as the son of Hazel of Newberry and his unknown wife,  I show that Francis moved first to Lauderdale Co AL and then to MS aft 1855 and then to TN where  he probably died, but I don't have a definite date or place.  I have a note that someone gave him a death date of 1846, but that's not right since he's on an 1850 census and beyond. Some of my info on them came from Melissa, some from census records, etc. Lou Ann