So somewhere along the way I also have as siblings of those Newberry Five.: Samuel b. 1775 with son Samuel b 1795 Benjamin b. 1780 Nathan b. 1782 Asa b. 1785 I have nothing else, and no idea where I got them. Back in the baby genealogy days when I copied stuff without recording where I got it. Lisa Gorrell On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Lenny Darnell via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Lou Ann > > What years do you have for the Newberry five? Are these right? > > Hazzel 1766-1838 > John 1768-1831 > William 1769 - ? > James 1771 - 1846 > Isaac 1773 - 1827 > > Thanks > > Lenny > > On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > One last bit on Tom Cates and how he may fit into the Loveless clan. > > > > Tom's grandfather is James Thomas Cates 1852. He was born to Mary Polly > > Cates 1822 who was a "Saloon Girl" south of Atlanta. James and his > > brother Alexander were raised as their mother's brothers though > Grandfather > > Abraham Cates did file bastard reports. > > > > It has long been thought that the father of James and Alexander Cates is > > one James Alexander Walton 1811 who may have been briefly married to Mary > > Cates but was married to a Mary Ann Moody at the time that the Cates boys > > were born. > > > > So, given Tom's Y Chromosome match to the Lovel*** line, either Tom's > > great grandfather was not James Alexander Walton, or James Alexander > Walton > > was a Lovel***, not a Walton. Indeed, it seems possible that he could > be > > a son of James Thomas Loveless rather than Jesse Walton 1786. I am > > looking for a male line descendant of Alexander Cates to see if he and > > James Thomas Cates have the same father or not. > > > > Here is the line of the Waltons in question. > > http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/64993570/person/30129837428/family As > they > > were from Onslow, NC, it seems much more likely that the Loveless Y > > chromosome entered the line in Coweta GA in 1811 or in Clayton Ga in 1842 > > than prior to that, but maybe not. > > > > Tom's connection to his grandfather James Thomas Cates and up to the > > Cates/Berry side is well proven with DNA. > > > > If anyone has other ideas on how to research this I'd be much obliged. > > > > Lenny > > > > On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Brondak via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Lisa, > >> As Lenny said, James and Isaac married the Hughes sisters. We don't > have > >> a name for the wife of Hazel or William. John's wife's name was > Marietta > >> "Mary",. Her surname is not known, but based on the names of her > >> children > >> there are some possibilities. It could have been Vincent, Madison, > >> Wilson > >> or Milton or none of the above, > >> Lou Ann > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 6/26/16 12:39:32 PM, lovelace@rootsweb.com writes: > >> > >> > >> > I'm getting confused by the discussion of the Newberry five. Are there > >> > wives that can be attached to these men? > >> > > >> > Lisa Gorrell > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >