Lou Ann, Could the two Thomas's collecting the headrights in VA and MD be the same person.? I have little doubt that John Baptist Lovelace is my ancestor. While proving anything further back with autosomal DNA is difficult, I get consistent results with a Thomas being John Baptist's grandfather. I believe the Eleanor unknown who some list as a wife is Eleanor Evans, a sister of a seventh great grandmother of mine, Rebekah Eivens. They were from Barbados in the mid-1600s. We have an Eleanor Evans who was indentured during the 1670s in Virginia so she could have met an indentured Thomas Lovelace there. The person who I believe was Eleanor and Rebekah's father, Richard Eivens, seems to have dropped out of sight after settling in Prequimans Precinct North Carolina, but I have found strong evidence that he is the Richard Evans who appears in Maryland in the late 1600s. That might explain a Maryland connection for Thomas and Eleanor. Hope this helps. Jack Wyatt From: Brondak via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> To: lrdarnell@gmail.com; lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 1:58 AM Subject: [LL] The MD clan .... First of all, there were two Lovelace immigrants to MD who arrived in the state in the 1600's. William in 1664 to Planters, MD on the ship Hopewell. Thomas is more complicated.  Unless there were two Thomases we've got two different people collecting headrights on a Thomas Lovelace in real close to the same time frame.  One was in MD, the other was in VA. These rwo men were probaly born in the 1640's and when they came to the colonies, they were probably indentured for 7 years to work off their passage and likely didn't marry until somerime in the 1670's, if at all.  Actually, we don't know for sure what happened to either one of them, but undoubtedly one of them is the progenator of the MD group.  Supposedly, there was an estate for William in probate in 1698 in MD with a Thomas as executor.  However, nothing has ever been found to prove that.  Some think Thomas and William the immigrants were brothers, and again nothing has ever been found to prove that or even that they knew one another. Since Thomas is found in VA after MD, I suspect that William is the one who is our ancestor, but that's only an educated guess. .......... Lou Ann

Jack, I am of the opinion that there were two Thomas Lovelesses who were transported to the colonies. One was transported in 1662 into Accomack County, Virginia, by a Mrs. Anne Toft. This Thomas was named in a deed in Dorchester County, Maryland, on 10 Oct 1666. This Thomas is probably the father of Faustus Lovelace who died in Charles County, MD, between 1715 and 1720. The second Thomas was transported into Northumberland County, Virginia, by Richard Cox in 1666. This Thomas was probably the father of Roger Lovelace, who was probably the father of James and Charles. Charles married Bridgett McLaughlin and they are the progenitors of the Virginia branch of the family. On 6/27/2016 9:19 AM, Jack Wyatt via wrote: > Could the two Thomas's collecting the headrights in VA and MD be the same person.? -- Jack D. Lovelace

Jack, If you are correct, then Thomas, and not William, is the progenitor of the Maryland branch of the family. However, I think that there are two generations between Thomas and John Baptist. Which would make Thomas the great-grandfather of John Baptist. But first a question. How are you able to apply names to the DNA results? On 6/27/2016 9:19 AM, Jack Wyatt via wrote: > I have little doubt that John Baptist Lovelace is my ancestor. While proving anything further back with autosomal DNA is difficult, I get consistent results with a Thomas being John Baptist's grandfather. -- Jack D. Lovelace