One last bit on Tom Cates and how he may fit into the Loveless clan. Tom's grandfather is James Thomas Cates 1852. He was born to Mary Polly Cates 1822 who was a "Saloon Girl" south of Atlanta. James and his brother Alexander were raised as their mother's brothers though Grandfather Abraham Cates did file bastard reports. It has long been thought that the father of James and Alexander Cates is one James Alexander Walton 1811 who may have been briefly married to Mary Cates but was married to a Mary Ann Moody at the time that the Cates boys were born. So, given Tom's Y Chromosome match to the Lovel*** line, either Tom's great grandfather was not James Alexander Walton, or James Alexander Walton was a Lovel***, not a Walton. Indeed, it seems possible that he could be a son of James Thomas Loveless rather than Jesse Walton 1786. I am looking for a male line descendant of Alexander Cates to see if he and James Thomas Cates have the same father or not. Here is the line of the Waltons in question. http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/64993570/person/30129837428/family As they were from Onslow, NC, it seems much more likely that the Loveless Y chromosome entered the line in Coweta GA in 1811 or in Clayton Ga in 1842 than prior to that, but maybe not. Tom's connection to his grandfather James Thomas Cates and up to the Cates/Berry side is well proven with DNA. If anyone has other ideas on how to research this I'd be much obliged. Lenny On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Brondak via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Lisa, > As Lenny said, James and Isaac married the Hughes sisters. We don't have > a name for the wife of Hazel or William. John's wife's name was Marietta > "Mary",. Her surname is not known, but based on the names of her children > there are some possibilities. It could have been Vincent, Madison, Wilson > or Milton or none of the above, > Lou Ann > > > > > > In a message dated 6/26/16 12:39:32 PM, lovelace@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > I'm getting confused by the discussion of the Newberry five. Are there > > wives that can be attached to these men? > > > > Lisa Gorrell > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lou Ann What years do you have for the Newberry five? Are these right? Hazzel 1766-1838 John 1768-1831 William 1769 - ? James 1771 - 1846 Isaac 1773 - 1827 Thanks Lenny On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> wrote: > One last bit on Tom Cates and how he may fit into the Loveless clan. > > Tom's grandfather is James Thomas Cates 1852. He was born to Mary Polly > Cates 1822 who was a "Saloon Girl" south of Atlanta. James and his > brother Alexander were raised as their mother's brothers though Grandfather > Abraham Cates did file bastard reports. > > It has long been thought that the father of James and Alexander Cates is > one James Alexander Walton 1811 who may have been briefly married to Mary > Cates but was married to a Mary Ann Moody at the time that the Cates boys > were born. > > So, given Tom's Y Chromosome match to the Lovel*** line, either Tom's > great grandfather was not James Alexander Walton, or James Alexander Walton > was a Lovel***, not a Walton. Indeed, it seems possible that he could be > a son of James Thomas Loveless rather than Jesse Walton 1786. I am > looking for a male line descendant of Alexander Cates to see if he and > James Thomas Cates have the same father or not. > > Here is the line of the Waltons in question. > http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/64993570/person/30129837428/family As they > were from Onslow, NC, it seems much more likely that the Loveless Y > chromosome entered the line in Coweta GA in 1811 or in Clayton Ga in 1842 > than prior to that, but maybe not. > > Tom's connection to his grandfather James Thomas Cates and up to the > Cates/Berry side is well proven with DNA. > > If anyone has other ideas on how to research this I'd be much obliged. > > Lenny > > On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Brondak via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Lisa, >> As Lenny said, James and Isaac married the Hughes sisters. We don't have >> a name for the wife of Hazel or William. John's wife's name was Marietta >> "Mary",. Her surname is not known, but based on the names of her >> children >> there are some possibilities. It could have been Vincent, Madison, >> Wilson >> or Milton or none of the above, >> Lou Ann >> >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 6/26/16 12:39:32 PM, lovelace@rootsweb.com writes: >> >> >> > I'm getting confused by the discussion of the Newberry five. Are there >> > wives that can be attached to these men? >> > >> > Lisa Gorrell >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >