Greg, Thanks for the clarification on the DNA for Wade. I am looking for descendants of James Thomas and Isaac who have taken an autosomal DNA test. I can match on any site, but it's great if the test has been ported to GEDMatch. All, thanks for this fantastic discussion on the Newberry five. What I am taking away is that James Thomas and Isaac are definitely brothers and that the Hazel born around the same time might be. That the parents of Jame Thomas and Isaac are either John Lovelace/Mylla Milley or Joseph Lovelace/Sarah Robey, but definitely not William Loveless/Hazel Kern which most of the public trees have. >From a DNA evidence perspective on AncestryDNA Tom Cates and Bob Cates have the most connections to James Thomas, quite a few to Isaac, and a large number to John Milton. Would John Milton be related to either of the candidates for James Thomas and Isaac's father? Perhaps autosomal DNA analysis can start pointing to place the paper trail doesn't. The Cates link to Hazel (Hazzel?) is more distant per andestryDNA - but with autosomal that doesn't mean anything. I have seen large segments survive 10 generations and it isn't uncommon for 4th/5th cousins to share nothing or just a small segment. We also have a number of more distant cousins that also point to James Thomas, Issac and John Milton and even a couple to Bartholomew. Jack, I can't imagine that I can add anything to the awesome research this group has done. I will take a look at the archives just to learn more. My offer is more to build on the work that you guys have done to create a public Lovel*** tree for the MD group to support those who want to see the current best thinking in the area and support DNA genealogists such as myself. If the community wants to take on a more ambitious project, one could look at Berrytree.org. The Cates line goes through the the Berry's a couple of times. I don't have the web-page building skills to do this, but could follow directions of someone who does. Finally, here is what I have found for John Loveless 1745: - John Lovelace 1698/Nancy Jane Bohannon or John Lovelace 1710/Jane - For John Loveless 1710=>Thomas Lovelace 1685/Eleanor For Joseph Lovelace 1722/Sarah Robey == > John Lovelace 1689/ Mary Jane Beal What does the community research tell us about the line of John 1745 and Joseph 1722, the two best candidates for father of James Thomas and Isaac (and the rest of the Newberry 5)? Thanks all. This is fantastic On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 4:20 AM, Greg Lovelace via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Wade wrote: > "Yes Lenny, I did have a DNA test done." > > Morning, Wade! > > Lenny was asking whether you had an **AUTOSOMAL** DNA test done. I checked > your record on FTDNA and saw that you had done a 37-marker Y-DNA test done > back in 2004. Nothing about an autosomal... did you have your autosomal > done at Ancestry or 23andMe? > > Peace, > Part of the Tree, > Greg > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >